Who can Beat Sasuke & Naruto

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These two 17yr old men took out Juubito with "Friendship and Teamwork" who can beat them

Excluding Juubito and Juubidara and clearly besides Hashi and Madara because they clearly beat these two but who else can?
 

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I go with itachi and mianto or pain and itachi
I think BSM naruto can take out the pains alone while sasuke tires out itachi naruto comes and they finish off itachi or sasuke finishes itachi and goes to help naruto
No one. not even hashirama
SM Hashi and BM Minato?
Kakashi and Obito
Minato(BM) and Kakashi
I kakashi dies first leaving obito dead soon after because they know kamui
BM minato.

BM minato and kakashi tag team
Maybe lol
 

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These two 17yr old men took out Juubito with "Friendship and Teamwork" who can beat them

Excluding Juubito and Juubidara and clearly besides Hashi and Madara because they clearly beat these two but who else can?

i believe u men 2 vs 2 so i believe...



nagato and dsm kabuto



obito and kakashi- the cant be touched team



bm minato and tobirama




bm minato and itachi




itachi and nagato




obito and nagato


bm minato and nagato


naruto and sasuke are only 16 and 17 but they are beatable albeit they are very powerful and at their young age make it all the way to the top of the most powerful lists but certain shinobi like obito(who already proved to naruto he cant touch him without help from a kamui user like kakashi) so i doubt sasuke can touch him or like minato ws pure genius in battle and it super fast, and nagato who negates fast or strong shinobi and he has a bunch of things in his arsenal to outmaneuver and catch of guard his opponenets, or itachi who is arguably the smartest in battle opponent and he always has something up his sleeves also, and kabuto who has made himself a into almost god level....


also orochimaru can be put in any team with the guy i mentioned because he has a bunch of immortal techs like his hydra which cannot be killed but only sealed and naruto and sasuke lack fuinjutsu, also orochimaru has the great white snake thats immortal and is only vulnerable to genjutsu
 
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No one else can. Even Edo Madara loses
both statements are wrong....edo madara stomps them naruto or sasuke cant break madara's ps nor can they take a slash from ps, also 2 meteors+ wood forest+wood dragon(for naruto)+ wood forest flower world+ 25 mokuton clones with susano+ his op fire techs he wins mid diff
 

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Team??
There are lot but,
- Hashirama & Tobirama
- Hashirama & Madara [overkill]
- Madara & Izuna
- Minato & Tobirama
- Minato & Kakashi
- Kakashi & Obito
- Nagato & Itachi
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.etc

Solo??
Juubi jinchurikis only...
 

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These two 17yr old men took out Juubito with "Friendship and Teamwork" who can beat them

Excluding Juubito and Juubidara and clearly besides Hashi and Madara because they clearly beat these two but who else can?
Nagato, Kabumaru, Minato, Tobirama. I want to add SM Jiraiya because if a 30% weakened base Jiraiya sunk Orochimaru's giant snakes then how big do you think SM Jiraiya can make his Swamp of the underworld. He has earth and Fire jutsus but the only Earth jutsu he used is strong enough to take summonings out. I can't add Prime Hiruzen cause we don't have much knowledge on him. I would like to add Gaara as a jin but I can only use part one info for his jin powers so left him out. I would also add Izuna because he clearly was on a level beyond Kage with Hashirama, Madara and Tobirama but all we know is that he had MS and was equal to Madara.

Nagato takes Sasuke due to Sasuke lack of knowing his power's and their weaknesses, Nagato can use all 6 elements yet never used it but we learned he mastered them as a kid, he cause use all the jutsus faster and much stronger than the peins so he can spam Deva's powers all he wants with no wait time. If he use his 6 Peins to fight along him and use their shared vision to evade attacks as Pein did when he countered Jiraiya's attacks. For Naruto, Nagato can just absorb all chakra in KM/BM/BSM. People think he can't with BSM but Nagato can't absorb natural energy, he can absorb Senjutsu which is new chakra created by balancing natural energy and your chakra, it's a new stronger chakra and people only focus on the natural energy aspect and not the fact that it's a new chakra type.

Kabumaru has earth jutsu, sound genjutsu, water jutsu (Suigetsui's ability), Kimmimaru's bones, his medical jutsus, snake summonings, edo summoning. Sasuke can't escape sound genjutsu and can't use his eyes during white rage as we seen. Kabumaru can summon Nagato and Itachi combo to aid him as well. PS is a big target for Totsuka blade and Sasuke can't knock it away if Nagato ST his swords back when he tries to defend or attack. For Naruto, he has Kurama to break him out of the Sound genjutsu but I don't see him getting out of white rage which make it hard to keep your eyes open but he can sense Kabumaru and defend I guess. Kimmamaru's bones can be a problem and Naruto has no sealing jutsus for Edo Tensei's.

Minato has more skills, experience, and better at observing his opponents. For Naruto, the 5 seal Oro used on Naruto to block Kurama's chakra can eliminate Kurama from the equation, that or the fact that Minato created the key and seal, he can lock Kurama back up with a different seal (remember Naruto used a new seal on Kurama after he beat him, Kurama called it the Sage's seal.) Any long range attacks get FTG barrier away and if you go into close combat then you risk getting marked. He can use his clones to mark the landscape and all FTG around to distract his enemies. For Sasuke, Susanoo is chakra based like Kurama, the four element seal seals chakra; he had to use two four element seals for Naruto's 8 triagram but that's because Kurama's chakra is near infinite. Amaterasu not hitting him and can get FTG away even if it did hit him. Don't see Kirin, fire jutsus or other lightning jutsus hitting Minato. A was using his speed to counter Sasuke's sharingan, same will go for Minato since even Obito couldn't use genjutsu on him. Plus he's a sensor

Tobirama is beyond kage level like his brother, Madara and Izuna; they all lived in constant war and were bred to fight. Tobirama is a sensor with FTG speed, Edo tensei of people from the same era (he had Izuna's blood on his sword from him fatally wounding him and Hashirama is his brother so getting his DNA wouldn't be hard for him and he would use Hashirama since he looks at the bigger picture. He has high chakra reserves, can make shadow clones, skilled in taijutsu, kenjutsus and skilled in water jutsus. It was said they can FTG wherever their chakra is or connected to, all Tobirama has to do is fill the area with water and he can FTG wherever his water is; he can also FTG others who is marked or connected to his chakra as he shown to do in the war while using Minato as a medium. His smarts are high as he was the one making the observations against Juubito and he's the one who created the ninja academy, chunin exams, the Anbu black opts and police force.

I see Tobirama using his sensor and FTG to evade their strongest jutsus while using clones to get in close and placing his multiplying exploding tags on them and marking them as he did both to Juubito in one go and this is a edo tensei weakened Tobirama. Too making things point to Tobirama having Izuna and Hashirama as edo's since he had or could get their DNA. For Sasuke, Tobirama can FTG from PS attacks and wear Sasuke down or showcase what ever jutsu he might have used against Izuna's MS jutsus. Naruto lacks control over his speed to really compete with Tobirama's speed and has no way of taking down edo tensei.

I based this on how Sasuke and Naruto fight, both usually go in for close range fights then use some jutsus then use their bigger moves. I made it for 1 on 1 fights
 
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Without prep I would say: ( Note not counting edo tensei feats, only live feats and considering the restrictions given by the OP) + no prep alloted so people like kabuto don't get to use Edo Tensei.

hashirama-Tobirama ( only exception to edo rule since he otherwise has no feats) rlly alive Hashirama solo's.
Obito-Kakashi
Nagato-Itachi
Madara (VOTE no kyubi) - Minato ( Alive Madara solo's
The things is, you can probably mix and match these 8 people into any 2v2 team and Naruto and Sasuke will loose. Sasuke still needs more feats, and we as readers need a better understanding of his amaterasu abilties.
So considering that you can probably mix and match these 8 shinobi with each other and they will still probably win you end up with a total of 28 different teams that have a good chance of beating Naruto and Sasuke. It may actually be 21 teams (because I don't know if the variations of Itachi, Minato,Kakashi,tobirama have the firepower to defeat naruto and sasuke.
Note: the list of 21 teams only includes named shinobi, it doesnot count all the fodder that you could theoretically pair with hashirama/Madara and still beat Naruto+ Sasuke)-
( this is alive Minato and no prep tobirama) and I also have to restrict Madara/hashirama because of the op.

I don't think DSM kabuto should be on the list because I think without having the cave advantage he would loose to Sasuke if Sasuke is fighting 2v2 and can be broken out of genjustu. Remember how strong Naruto and sasuke are. To beat them both you have to survive the kyubi/sage/Susanoo avatar. I don't think anyone without alot of hax or top 5 can beat them. ( Not counting juubito,juubidara,edo tensei feats).

Just to be clear, you do mean who beats them 2v2 right? If not I would say only alive Madara and hashirama if you exclude the juubi and its hosts. 2v1 against Naruto and Sasuke is insane, combined they are probably almost as strong as VOTE Madara ( with kyubi) which beats all the shinobi of the recent generations. Nobody, not nagato,not tobirama (w/ curent feats), or Minato can beat the Naruto and sasuke tag team except for alive Hashirama and madara.
 
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