Kakashi with and without knowledge can't beat itachi.. he even said that...
Without knowledge would end up the same as part 1.. he goes up to itachi not knowing about tsukyomi or amaterasu, gets put down..
who beats itachi without knowledge?
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Without knowledge would end up the same as part 1.. he goes up to itachi not knowing about tsukyomi or amaterasu, gets put down..
Gold Lightning
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I was referring more to current Kakashi. He's definitely improved and his chakra reserves have increased too. But you're probably right, although a knowledgable Kakashi wouldn't get caught in a Genjutsu again I don't believe. It'd be a good fight though.
Without any knowlege?
Madara and maybe Hashirama.
Amaterasu would be insta death for 99% of the enemys, only people like Orochimaru or Sasuke could survive that with disposing their old bodys.
And Tsukuyomi would defeat everybody. You have to know that technique to avoid it, I can only think of Madara knowing it at maybe Hashirama if Madara used it against him.
Not to forget about the Totsuka Sword and Yata Mirror.
For everyone else I just dont see a way to win, you cant win if you dont know that youre enemy can oneshot you if you look at him. And people saying that Muu could make himself invisible: Why should he do that? Hes not expecting such a technique if he doesnt know about. And even if he would go invisible from the beginning, its not important that Itachi cant see him, Muu can still see Itachi and if he looks in his eyes (which he would because he doesnt know anything about any of his techniques) he lost.
Same for Minato, his speed wont be of any use, the moment he would look into his eyes he would have lost. And its a natural thing to look into the eyes of your opponent.
The only limit Itachi would have is his MS, he would go blind sooner or later (and very fast if he would spam it like Sasuke).
Madara and maybe Hashirama.
Amaterasu would be insta death for 99% of the enemys, only people like Orochimaru or Sasuke could survive that with disposing their old bodys.
And Tsukuyomi would defeat everybody. You have to know that technique to avoid it, I can only think of Madara knowing it at maybe Hashirama if Madara used it against him.
Not to forget about the Totsuka Sword and Yata Mirror.
For everyone else I just dont see a way to win, you cant win if you dont know that youre enemy can oneshot you if you look at him. And people saying that Muu could make himself invisible: Why should he do that? Hes not expecting such a technique if he doesnt know about. And even if he would go invisible from the beginning, its not important that Itachi cant see him, Muu can still see Itachi and if he looks in his eyes (which he would because he doesnt know anything about any of his techniques) he lost.
Same for Minato, his speed wont be of any use, the moment he would look into his eyes he would have lost. And its a natural thing to look into the eyes of your opponent.
The only limit Itachi would have is his MS, he would go blind sooner or later (and very fast if he would spam it like Sasuke).
Splendid Ninja
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I would like to say without any knowledge Nagato full power would finally wreck him.
EMS madara NOT cause he shitted brix when he didn knew some secret from itachi.
Itachi proved himself one of the strongest/toughest shinobi ever lived.
Without knowledge there are a few.
EMS madara NOT cause he shitted brix when he didn knew some secret from itachi.
Itachi proved himself one of the strongest/toughest shinobi ever lived.
Without knowledge there are a few.
yuan of cruxis
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Moon eye plan
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Capn FlapJak
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I hope your Kiddin :/No one
His superior skills mix with his intellignence makes him unbeatable
Kira was Righteous
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While iam a Itachi fanboy despiser he is Top 10 ...
Nagato Complete
Madara Completed beyond prime
Tobi
Hashirama
BM Naruto
Kabuto
Itachi
Minato
3rd Raikage
Sasuke
Whats your top 10 look like?
Lol, why are all these idiots even mentioning Sasori? Are you guys stupid? Susano'o can take care of his puppets. Also, where the **** did you guys get the idea that Sasori is immune to Genjutsu? Are you retarded? And you guys are even saying that he's immune to Tsukuyomi... hahaha, wow. Amazing. Some of the people on here need to study Naruto and learn a bit more ^^ Sasori immune to Genjutsu/Tsukuyomi? How retarded do you have to be to believe that?
LeEvilTongue
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Let me tell you who beats this piece of shit without knowlegde:
All former Hokages, Onoki, Muu, Second Mizukage, Third Raikage, Kabuto, Jiraiya, Madara, Tobi, Ramen Guy, Sakura's mom and Tiger Mizuki.
All former Hokages, Onoki, Muu, Second Mizukage, Third Raikage, Kabuto, Jiraiya, Madara, Tobi, Ramen Guy, Sakura's mom and Tiger Mizuki.
So how much of a chances does Minato have knowing that we mostly did not see 50% of his jutsu cause of plat no jutsu. The reason why i think he has the highest of chances apart from (madara-harashima-tobi) is because of way kishi describe him has being a genius that the Naruto world only seen once in certain generations. The most important one was when he fought Tobi without knowledge and held his own without any hesitation.
Its kinda annoying how we have seen countless fights with Itachi, and seen 100% of his jutsu and because of this many people feel like no one can beat him. when the truth is anyone can be anyone in a manga. I remember when the base was getting spam with Minato vs Itachi nonsense and with all honestly no one truly knows who would win because we have yet to see Minato fighting 100%. The only thing we know about Minato is that he mastered a large amount of Seals and he is the fastest shinobi to ever have lived.
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Baka Sennin
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Hashirama, Madara, Nagato,Pain, Tobi, Miinato, Naruto, Kabuto and Sasuke. by no knowledge i presume that they don't know about his ms, not what the base sharingan does and it's proficiency for genjutsu, because that would be stupid. One can make a good case for a few others like Hiruzen, Tobirama, Tsunade, Hanzo, Muu, 2nd Mizukage Gaara etc
Shunsin no Shisui
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Diseases and illnesses 
They were the cause for his death in the first place anyway as zetsu identified.
They were the cause for his death in the first place anyway as zetsu identified.
Bijuu mode naruto
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Uchiha AvengerX
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nahh hell no naruto. I love naruto but without knowledge he gets raped