Who actually thinks Nagato>Naruto?

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Plenty of People who dont like Naruto believe hes stronger. Though prefrence shouldn't play a part.

Naruto is just on a diffrent level.
No he's not. That's like saying naruto is on a different level to madara and hashirama, or even more insanely, on their level. considering Nagata is roughly 1 level below them, if that. He has a ****ing rinnegan. They're the eyes of Sage of Six Paths. The sage shat on the juubi because of his eyes. YEt you believe some 9 tail jin, tiers weaker than the juubi can make up to rinnegan with a bunch of exploding chakra.

You mean the summon that can get taken down by one of Bunta's suitons?

I don't even like Naruto too much, but he's way above Nagato since BM
Bunta can't even get past the dog.
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What's the under the bird? An invisible table? Are there some wires that crippled nagato is using? His bird is flying. He's sitting on the bird. Nagato can fly. He can move. He uses his summonings. Get over your naruto mass wank.
-He- is not flying. The -bird- is flying.

Talk about being mentally challenged.

Not my fault you can't english bro.
 
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Having Rinnegan doesn't mean hes all powerfull.

And the rest of your post is incorrect about Naruto and insanely off point. Nor is Nagato a level below Madara or Hashi. He several levels Below Naruto, Madara, and Hashi
 

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-He- is not flying. The -bird- is flying.

Talk about being mentally challenged.

Not my fault you can't english bro.
Rofl. This is your reply? "The bird is flying, not him" LMAO.
Implying he isn't flying by extension.
Implying his animals will reject him so he can't use them.
Implying he doesn't have a means of getting a few hundred meters into the air.

Seriously, sometimes you seem really smart, but then others you're just seeming like a troll. I'm not even sure if you're simply a troll right now.

Having Rinnegan doesn't mean hes all powerfull.

And the rest of your post is incorrect about Naruto and insanely off point. Nor is Nagato a level below Madara or Hashi. He several levels Below Naruto, Madara, and Hashi
Yes, yes it does. That's exactly what it means.
6 paths of pain + Outter path + Yin-Yang release + ability to use and master all 5 nature releases. That's the abilities granted by the rinnegan. Naruto can't match any of those. Nagato's even an uzumaki for that matter so naruto has no 'uzumaki strong life force' advantage. I'm not sure why you'd think he isn't all powerful when he controls life and death.

I don't have time for the rest of your nonsense. You actually put naruto on the same level as madara and hashirama then dipped nagato 'several levels' lower than them. Do you even have nagato in the top 10? You probably also believe 'naruto beat pain'. You probably even have naruto tiers above KCM minato and Rinnegan Obito. Anyone with eyes and 1 neurone can understand nagato is above SM, Base, KCM naruto Neg diff. The only minor arguement is BM, but with only 8 minutes, there's no arguement there. Naruto can't beat rinnegan in 8 minutes alone.

They're not even Nagato's.

Naruto still beats him.
Kyuubi isn't naruto either. Wtf's your point? He can use the eyes to their fullest.
 

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He can use the eyes to their fullest.
Wrong here.

He can't properly control the Mazou because he lacks the Uchiha part of the Rinnegan.

Madara and Obito are better at using the Rinnegan than he is.

Rofl. This is your reply? "The bird is flying, not him" LMAO.
Well, yes. I assumed you were talking about Nagato flying by himself.

Summoning takes time and he has to summon each of his animals. Bunta's suitons will take the bird down and don't give me the dog crap because Naruto can walk up to it and throw it to Konoha or Bunta can simply jump over it and snipe the bird with his jutsus.

In the end, all Naruto has to do is make clones, have them enter Sage Mode, give them BM chakra and them have them engage Nagato in melee, melee which they -will- win because Nagato can't pierce their shield ( Kyuubi chakra cloak ) and he can't absorb their chakra ( Senjutsu chakra ).

Not to mention, Nagato can't block multiple TBBs. He might, -MIGHT- absorb one, but 3-4? No chance.
 

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Wrong here.

He can't properly control the Mazou because he lacks the Uchiha part of the Rinnegan.
Madara and Obito are better at using the Rinnegan than he is.
Fine... This point is true, but i'm sure you at least understood what i was trying to bring across...



Well, yes. I assumed you were talking about Nagato flying by himself.

Summoning takes time and he has to summon each of his animals. Bunta's suitons will take the bird down and don't give me the dog crap because Naruto can walk up to it and throw it to Konoha or Bunta can simply jump over it and snipe the bird with his jutsus.

In the end, all Naruto has to do is make clones, have them enter Sage Mode, give them BM chakra and them have them engage Nagato in melee, melee which they -will- win because Nagato can't pierce their shield ( Kyuubi chakra cloak ) and he can't absorb their chakra ( Senjutsu chakra ).

Not to mention, Nagato can't block multiple TBBs. He might, -MIGHT- absorb one, but 3-4? No chance.
Naruto needs to summon/enter SM/BM. The time he takes for any of these actions is infact longer than nagato summoning a bird. he just claps his hands. Nagato can summon to animals in the time it takes naruto to do his summoning jutsu. By the time the bird and the dog are out, nagato's defence is already set. He just needs to go up and summon some more beasts.
What you seem to miss, is the fact that this isn't naruto vs pain with PNJ enhancements. Nagato has no reason to sit and let naruto get rid of his summons. If bunta shoots a water bullet, he can make his bird fly and use ST to blast away any water bullet he wouldn't be able to dodge + bunta at the same time. Therefore, summons aren't even helping naruto in this battle. He'd be fighting all nagato's summonings on his own. *Nagato wouldn't need to jump up like deva to blast them away. Deva jumped to avoid their sword attack. Nagato just blows them away from a distance like he did to konoha.*
This would already be an uphil battle for naruto since his BM and it's tbb's are occupied by the dog. SM clones are countered by a combination of nagato(ST, rockets, BT combos) and the rhino summoning, crab and other summons. A simple SM clone isn't going to be able to handle this as naruto's chakra is at least divided by half (Himself in BM and the sM clone). If naruto makes anymore clones, he's now significantly weaker per body and clones can be destroyed that much easier. Any non SM clones would be destroyed by the invisible chameleon as they can't sense it, nor can naruto relay information telepathically between the bodies. The worst thing is that naruto now has at least 4 views at almost all times, removing any flanks by naruto (Chameleon, dog, bird, and him).

So, SM Naruto can't get past nagato's sniping along with summons. BM naruto can't get past cerebus who's going to be splitting everytime he's hit therefore making it a much longer fight. Naruto isn't using FRS on anything since linked vision allows for nagato to see everything and ST counter any FRS before it hits anything. Naruto can't get a flank on anything. And naruto can't use his toads since they've been canonically 1 shotted. The more clones naruto makes, the easier they are to individually destroy. Any Tbb that gets past the dog can be preta absorbed -- albeit slowly -- while the dog gets in position to tank the others and the bird flies. Without hitting the dog with an FRS (nerve damage) the dog would never be put down, not even by 20 tbb's. There's also the fact that nagato can selectively BT naruto up to the bird so he can preta absorb the cloak -- if this were to work, kyuubi would now have to meditate for more than 10 minutes, with naruto only being able to go into KCM. And, as we've seen, KCM naruto can't even see the chameleon and could be easily restrained.
If we gave no intel in this fight, even BM naruto would lose no diff as he'd not expect the gravitational, absorption, soul removal, summoning, linked vision, or any of those. He'd spend the entire fight/his entire time in his different modes trying to figure what the actual **** is happening. That's just suicide.
If we give them both full intel, Nagato now knows to not let his dog be hit by FRS. He now knows that kcm naruto can't een see summoning. He now knows he can 1 shot summonings. He now knows to not try to preta Sage mode. he'd know to not under-estimate naruto when making CT, and just make one the size of an entire country or something. etc, etc. The only thing he wouldn't know is full BM mode shooting BM, but that changes nothing as akatsuki is a group specifically designed to fight tailed beasts. Battling a tbb wouldn't be any big deal for him. The effectiveness of said tbb reduced by the fact that even suigetsu was able to tank a tbb. The guy who has eyes specifically designed to fight these beasts won't be defeated by a simple tbb

The final nail in the coffin, is the fact that naruto has to do this all within 8 minutes. As soon as BM goes, any hope he had of winning is completely shattered. Base naruto. SM naruto. And, KCM Naruto have all been canonically stomped by nagato. The only arguement is BM, since kishimoto didn't explicitly make nagato wreck him.


Anyway, I'm done here. Thanks for at least not resorting to another, what appears to be, troll post... I've said all i need to say for this thread. I have no more interest in arguing this topic lol
 
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Naruto needs to summon/enter SM/BM.
Apart from summoning, all of those are instant.

Summoning can be done by clones and he can use as many as he wants to since Kurama has near infinite chakra.

By the time the bird and the dog are out, nagato's defence is already set. He just needs to go up and summon some more beasts.
Meanwhile, Naruto can summon (number of clones) + 1.

If bunta shoots a water bullet, he can make his bird fly and use ST to blast away any water bullet he wouldn't be able to dodge + bunta at the same time. Infact, Deva canonically 1 shotted bunta and the frogs already.
Not only can Naruto give his summons Kyuubi chakra which would make them easily tank ST, if Nagato uses ST it leaves him open to a bijuudama.

SM clones are countered by a combination of nagato(ST, rockets, BT combos) and the rhino summoning, crab and other summons. A simple SM clone isn't going to be able to handle this as naruto's chakra is at least divided by half (Himself in BM and the sM clone). If naruto makes anymore clones, he's now significantly weaker per body and clones can be destroyed that much easier.
Naruto's chakra isn't divided, but rather Naruto's + Kyuubi's is. A half of 192493942349 is still a big number, and the Kyuubi's chakra is stated to be near numberless. It is extremely high.

There's also the fact that nagato can selectively BT naruto up to the bird so he can preta absorb the cloak --
There are many counters to this.

First, Naruto's speed. No way in hell BM Naruto would be pulled by BT. Secondly, Naruto would already have a lot of clones on the battlefield and a couple BM clones, too.

Secondly, a BT'd Naruto can be reverse summoned by Shima or Fukasaku.

Any Tbb that gets past the dog can be preta absorbed -- albeit slowly -- while the dog gets in position to tank the others and the bird flies.
Naruto could simply jump on Bunta, who would jump towards the bird. The dog may be able to fight Bunta, but it can't outrun Bunta.

The effectiveness of said tbb reduced by the fact that even suigetsu was able to tank a tbb.
Never compare Bee's bijuudama with Naruto's. Naruto's dwarfs mountains. Also Suigetsu had a whole lake at his disposal and used his hydrification technique.
None of Nagato's summons can hurt any form bar base Naruto. A SM clone can deal with every summon Nagato has.

The final nail in the coffin, is the fact that naruto has to do this all within 8 minutes. As soon as BM goes, any hope he had of winning is completely shattered. Base naruto. SM naruto. And, KCM Naruto have all been canonically stomped by nagato. The only arguement is BM
First of all, the kyuubi cloak does not go away from the clones after BM runs out. You can see in the latest chapter that the cloaks were still off long after Naruto went out of BM.

Secondly, Nagato beat a Naruto who was already split in twelve, who was shocked to see him and who never actually used his shunshin. Not only that, Naruto could not make more clones than he had already since he risked dying. He does not have this issue here.

You also forget Naruto can fuse with Ma and Pa now, which will keep him in permanent Sage Mode.
 

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All they see is big explosions and flashing lights and they cream their pants. They forget the million advantages naga to has over naruto and the fact that any kyuubi chakra is almost instantly absorbed.
The biggest advantage Nagato has over Naruto is Petra Path, as all of Naruto's KCM or BM techniques are chakra based, heck, even his cloak is running on Kurama's chakra. Nagato doesn't have to absorb all of Naruto's chakra to win, he has to absorb enough to make him lose his 8 minutes time limit and revert him forcefully back to a lesser form.
 

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Some people seem to ignore the fact that Naruto was also not himself, he sent all the clones to all the battlefields.

While actually analyzing their fight they would have to be both at their prime, Nagato with his legs and mastered rinnegan and Naruto not divided to hundreds spread all over Naruto world.

Naruto if he was alone facing Nagato i bed he'd start off with clones and sage mode, It wouldn't be so easy for Nagato to rape him then. Add up summons to that and we have regular battle with multiple enemies, let's say shinra tensei or Nagato's summons cancel Naruto's. Rasenshuriken is rendered useless since Nagato can absorb it but taijutsu and frog kata in sage mode would appear very useful, Nagato couldn't absorb Naruto's chakra cos he'd turn into stone.
Naruto's taijutsu in sage mode I'm sure is better than Nagato's, nature energy that surrounds Naruto also extends the reach of his blows. It would be very difficult or even impossible for Nagato to keep up with Naruto's strength and speed. SHINRA TENSEI!!! Withstood with clones already. Nagato's techniques are stronger when he uses them directly and not through 6 paths of Pain though if compare the feats they seem to have actually similar power. Even though, let's say Naruto this time can't withstand shinra tensei, he definitely won't die out of it. Nagato goes chibaku tensei and that's pretty much the end for sage modo Naruto.

While being pulled by chibaku tensei Naruto burns with Kurama's chakra turning whole yellow, he's speed now is grater, he has chakra arms which he uses to get out of chibaku tensei's range. Meanwhile Naruto's clones are fighting with Nagato. Alternative for Naruto's escape is creating several kage bunshin and throw couple of rasen shurikens into chibaku tensei. While from summoned gedo mazou comes out misterious dragon Naruto realizes he has to go serious. Kurama mode activated. Biju dama in your face Nagato, while you'r absorbing it Naruto kage bunshins in kyubii mode are speed blitzing with simple kunai cutting Nagato's throat, legs, arms, stabbing liver, heart, lungs, kidneys and brain all at the same time. At the end RASENGAN!!! Just on principle =D

That is, if Naruto had my brain :p
 

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Im wondering how would this play out, i think nagato would win. Naruto knowing he would not stand a chance 1 on 1 creates clones they try to attack nagato and they get absorbed by his jutsu that absorbs all ninjutsu or if they try rasengan same thing happens and in taijutsu id say nagato beats him. He has his summons also. I just dont see a way naruto wins and its mainly due to nagatos ninjutsu absorbtion not to mention he would easily pawn with his force powers lol
 
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