[Discussion] Whites becoming a minority and the case of Islamization

[Scooby Doo]

I was talking about muslims who commites rape, I wasnt talking in general.

Alright.

They have strict rules, but then again muslim women are way more persecuted than they are. Like I said - in many muslim societies women are treated like second rate human beings and it makes much easier to treat them in horrible way.

I never denied that.

Unfortunately they dont feel like it. If woman shows her hair or legs shes a ***** to them and they see nothing bad in raping her.

Not all muslims think like that.

Then why did you said that many western women acts like whores? It has nothing to do with the fact that raping them is horrible thing. Thats why your post looked wrong, really wrong.

I mentioned it because you are talking bad only about muslims who mistreat women, but why forget about the western world where women can act like whores? And it's not only women, but they come off like whores. Is it good that we promote it? Many rapes in the western world also happen because men think it's okay to rape a woman who acts like a *****, so how is it worse than when muslims do it?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Well why did you even say it to begin with? 'Cause to me that one phrase from you summarizes the whole issue we are talking about here. And after that you said Western world promotes promiscuity. That's also a subtext way of justifying raping. And neither of those points is the issue here. The issue is immigrants not respecting everyone's freedom and rights.

Btw I live in Finland so here's some statistics for you all: in the year 2012 the number of immigrants who committed sexual crimes in Finland was as put into proportion 2-4 times in comparison to Finnish people. But I guess it's ok 'cause they weren't decent girls like in muslim countries.

I said it because western girls are also look like whores, the only difference is that it's tolerated here. I didn't say they should be raped for that. I never even mentioned the word 'rape' in my post. And I was not reflecting on the immigrants, just on Turson's post. So you took my post out of context, actually, and added your assumptions.

 

[Turson]

Alright.

I never denied that.

Not all muslims think like that.


I mentioned it because you are talking bad only about muslims who mistreat women, but why forget about the western world where women can act like whores? And it's not only women, but they come off like whores. Is it good that we promote it? Many rapes in the western world also happen because men think it's okay to rape a woman who acts like a *****, so how is it worse than when muslims do it?

Sigh... I will say no more. Just think what you post, what you said looked really bad in the context of discussion.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Sigh... I will say no more. Just think what you post, what you said looked really bad in the context of discussion.

I'd bold the word 'looked', instead of 'really'. I only reflected on your point saying that muslims treat women who show their legs, as whores. My point was that in western world girls do act like whores, and they can also be mistreated for that, so it's nothing better than when muslims do it. Actually, I'm just as much against rape as you. But let's not pretend as if our society was so much better.

 

[Hawker]

I said it because western girls are also look like whores, the only difference is that it's tolerated here. I didn't say they should be raped for that. I never even mentioned the word 'rape' in my post. And I was not refelcting on the immigrants, just on Turson's post. So you took my post out of context, actually, and added your assumptions.

Dude, if I may ask where are you from? 'Cause when you say western girls look like whores, that's also a stupid generalization. Just because a women doesn't wear a veil doesn't mean she's a *****. Can you give me an example of this all out ***** acting?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Dude, if I may ask where are you from? 'Cause when you say western girls look like whores, that's also a stupid generalization. Just because a women doesn't wear a veil doesn't mean she's a *****. Can you give me an example of this all out ***** acting?

Random European country Lol And no I'm not muslim btw.

Oh, so you can generalize but not me? Lol

And many girls I know act like whores. They proudly brag about changing *** partners every day. It's disgusting too. (Same goes for promiscous men)

 

[silmarill]

I said it because western girls are also look like whores, the only difference is that it's tolerated here. I didn't say they should be raped for that. I never even mentioned the word 'rape' in my post. And I was not refelcting on the immigrants, just on Turson's post. So you took my post out of context, actually, and added your assumptions.

U have any problem if woman dresss or act like whores? It's their own choice , it doesn't affect you , being raped however is not a choice
What Turson says ios right, it's not that they will get raped because they look like whores , but because they are infidels, for radical muslims "rape or murder etc on infidels is no sin, that's where the problem lies

 

[Scooby Doo]

U have any problem if woman dresss or act like whores? It's their own choice , it doesn't affect you , being raped however is not a choice
What Turson says ios right, it's not that they will get raped because they look like whores , but because they are infidels, for radical muslims "rape or murder etc on infidels is no sin, that's where the problem lies

And when did I say that's not a problem? And for god"s sake, I wasn't even talking about rape.

And actually yeah I dislike slutty attitude of girls. Same goes for promiscuous guys too, but they are not called whores. Just look at NB. How many times you see members posting "I like bishes", or threads about which girls would they bang? Women in western world are just as much considered whores, except that rape is not accepted because of it. But the concept is not much better.

 

[Hawker]

Random European country Lol And no I'm not muslim btw.

Oh, so you can generalize but not me? Lol

And many girls I know act like whores. They proudly brag about changing *** partners every day. It's disgusting too. (Same goes for promiscous men)

What exactly was generalization from our part? The fact that women rights are same as sh*t in muslim and african countries? Ofcourse no one wasn't saying that all muslim men rape women.

Like silmarill said, how women act, is not the issue here.

 

[Scooby Doo]

What exactly was generalization from our part? The fact that women rights are same as sh*t in muslim and african countries? Ofcourse no one wasn't saying that all muslim men rape women.

Like silmarill said, how women act, is not the issue here.

I just checked that there are about 60000 muslim immigrants in Finland. I could only find 2005 crime statistics, that say that in 2005 there were 2000 *** crimes/rapes in Finland. You say in proportion, those sexual crimes are committed by immigrants 4 times as much as Finnish people. That means 1600 of the 2000 sexual crimes are committed by immigrants. Let's assume they're all muslims. Let's make it simpe: 1600 muslims did the rapes. Out of 60000! That is indeed generalization, just because 1600 muslims mistreat women in your country.

I already said it...I just meant that girls are also looked like whores in the western world, so let's not pretend as if only muslims mistreated them.

 

[6ari8]

Promiscity has nothing to do with treating women like shit and raping them. What are you talking about? 99% of women they are raping arent even prostitutes, they just see them like that, even if they were prostitutes raping them would make them 1000x worse than their victims, but they cant see that, they dont see that what they are doing is evil. Thats why what you posted was just disgusting.

Oh so you can see what all Muslims think. smh...

Rape is a grave sin in Islam and is never tolerated.

Also, the Women driving issue in Saudi arabia has absolutely nothing, ZERO thing, to do with Islam. That's just a cultural thing.

I disagree with that but it looks like the society in Saudi is still not ready for that. Hell, most women here don't want that to happen too. Though, there are people trying to change that.

Regardless, that doesn't pose any problems to women as far as I've seen. Almost every family I know (including mine) have a second car for the women and kids and have a driver dedicated for them. How the hell is that repressive to women?

 

[BlacLord™]

It's situations like these that give gravity to Itachi's utterances.

You who criticize any culture should ask yourself first; am I well travelled? Am I well cultivated in the ways of the world? If no, keep your mouth shut.

Using the media alone does not warrant a well-adjusted view or real-world knowledge.

 

[Hawker]

I just checked that there are about 60000 muslim immigrants in Finland. I could only find 2005 crime statistics, that say that in 2005 there were 2000 *** crimes/rapes in Finland. You say in proportion, those sexual crimes are committed by immigrants 4 times as much as Finnish people. That means 1600 of the 2000 sexual crimes are committed by immigrants. Let's assume they're all muslims. Let's make it simpe: 1600 muslims did the rapes. Out of 60000! That is indeed generalization, just because 1600 muslims mistreat women in your country.

I already said it...I just meant that girls are also looked like whores in the western world, so let's not pretend as if only muslims mistreated them.

Even so if we assume that then 1600 is 3% of the muslims population and when you say 60 000 that number probably was much lower 9 years ago. So the percentage of people who committed rapes was higher. But I can assure you things have gotten worse after 2005.

It's situations like these that give gravity to Itachi's utterances.

You who criticize any culture should ask yourself first; am I well travelled? Am I well cultivated in the ways of the world? If no, keep your mouth shut.

Using the media alone does not warrant a well-adjusted view or real-world knowledge.

lol how about the fact that in the year 2009 in Finland of all those people who were convicted of crimes 9,1 % were immigrants? Does that sound good? Ofcourse the reason is the lesser civilized culture clashing to the modern Western culture. Or do you say that only criminals come here as refugees. Roughly speaking we would have 10% less criminal activity without immigrants. There's the difference between Western and Eastern World. Either way I have a damn good reason to criticize immigrants.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Even so if we assume that then 1600 is 3% of the muslims population and when you say 60 000 that number probably was much lower 9 years ago. So the percentage of people who committed rapes was higher. But I can assure you things have gotten worse after 2005.



Either way I have a damn good reason to criticize immigrants.

Yeah but not all immigrants are muslims either, so the exact statistics and percent are lessened by that. If we want to be precise...60k is just an estimation. Officially muslims add up to 1%, that is around 55k. And I was talking about sexual crimes, out of which there are only about 1000 rapes. That means 800 muslims out of 55k= 1.45 % (and this should be lessened by other immigrants)

I get your point anyway, I wish my point was understood as well...

 

[Hawker]

Yeah but not all immigrants are muslims either, so the exact statistics and percent are lessened by that. If we want to be precise...60k is just an estimation. Officially muslims add up to 1%, that is around 55k. And I was talking about sexual crimes, out of which there are only about 1000 rapes. That means 800 muslims out of 55k= 1.7 % (and this should be lessened by other immigrants)

I get your point anyway, I wish my point was understood as well...

Yeah I get your point too.

Btw I have an example of certain rape case in which the immigrants were the ones doing it. A girl was ambushed on her way home in the evening, taken into the outskirts of town and raped by three guys (immigrants). Later the story became public and there was a news article about this 14 year old girl where she told what happened to her. After that there was this case where young immigrant boys and girls were linking this story to their facebook page and saying stuff like "what a f*cking sl*t!" "why is she complaining? she deserved it" "hahahah what a dumb b*tch, she should not be outside that late of night" "it was her own fault!" "don't accuse our brothers of raping that sl*ut".

I mean that made me angry. How dare they talk about her like that? Like it was her fault. And on top of that they are immigrants defending another immigrant raping a native girl. What a bunch of trash. This is the kind of behaviour I'm getting at. No finnish people talks about raping like that, no one. Except immigrants. And yes they were muslims.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah I get your point too.

Btw I have an example of certain rape case in which the immigrants were the ones doing it. A girl was ambushed on her way home in the evening, taken into the outskirts of town and raped by three guys (immigrants). Later the story became public and there was a news article about this 14 year old girl where she told what happened to her. After that there was this case where young immigrant boys and girls were linking this story to their facebook page and saying stuff like "what a f*cking ****!" "why is she complaining? she deserved it" "hahahah what a dumb *****, she should not be outside that late of night" "it was her own fault!".

I mean that made me angry. How dare they talk about her like that? Like it was her fault. And on top of that they are immigrants defending another immigrant raping a native girl. What a bunch of douchebags.

That's really sad, and I'd never justify that. Sorry if my first post came off like that.

 

[BlacLord™]

lol how about the fact that in the year 2009 in Finland of all those people who were convicted of crimes 9,1 % were immigrants? Does that sound good? Ofcourse the reason is the lesser civilized culture clashing to the modern Western culture. Or do you say that only criminals come here as refugees. Roughly speaking we would have 10% less criminal activity without immigrants. There's the difference between Western and Eastern World. Either way I have a damn good reason to criticize immigrants.

You really have no idea; you're totally engulfed by blind hate.

Well, let me teach you a few things. Before I do though, how does that 9% stand up to 91% of the crime committed by Finnish nationals? Go on, tell me. Crime doesn't work that way - that 10% would be committed by other national opportunists instead. Oh and I see you've been pushing out random figures without any kind of detail; that automatically invalidates all of them.

Anyway:

1) What do you think you a country is? It's a community of people from different regions coming together, who have created their own cultures based on their beliefs. There's no gene which defines you as Finnish or me as British; our blood is scented with the fragrance of many itinerants.

2) The beliefs that you have stem from twisting of natural law. Natural law at it's core is the worldwide standard and leads me to this - who are you, or anyone to decide what human being lives on what piece of grass, sand or stone? You're not, you are nobody to decide that.

3) You're being ignorant - I don't know if it's on purpose but frankly, I don't care. The "Eastern World" as you so stupidly phrase it, is comprised of Asia and countries like Japan and South Korea, who have the lowest crime rates and are some of the most sophisticated countries in the world. Countries like the UAE and Bahrain make up the Middle East and I will embarrass you further by telling you that they too, have some of the lowest crime rates in the world.

4) More ignorance. The Arabs and Asians were creating the concept of algorithms, applying medicine, forming advanced forms of communication and introducing social customs whilst the people of the West were still running around dressed in animal skins and communicating in pictures and grunts. How do you think most Western countries got to this point? It was by taking the knowledge of the Middle-East and Far East for themselves; so before you go blabbing about being civilized, make sure you think about where it came from kiddo.

5) Have you ever travelled? I'm guessing you haven't if you're spouting nonsense like this. You're probably just re-iterating the unique cases you see in the media and misappropriately applying that as a general standard.

 

[Hawker]

You really have no idea; you're totally engulfed by blind hate.

Well, let me teach you a few things. Before I do though, how does that 9% stand up to 91% of the crime committed by Finnish nationals? Go on, tell me. Crime doesn't work that way - that 10% would be committed by other national opportunists instead. Oh and I see you've been pushing out random figures without any kind of detail; that automatically invalidates all of them.

Anyway:

1) What do you think you a country is? It's a community of people from different regions coming together, who have created their own cultures based on their beliefs. There's no gene which defines you as Finnish or me as British; our blood is scented with the fragrance of many itinerants.

2) The beliefs that you have stem from twisting of natural law. Natural law at it's core is the worldwide standard and leads me to this - who are you, or anyone to decide what human being lives on what piece of grass, sand or stone? You're not, you are nobody to decide that.

3) You're being ignorant - I don't know if it's on purpose but frankly, I don't care. The "Eastern World" as you so stupidly phrase it, is comprised of Asia and countries like Japan and South Korea, who have the lowest crime rates and are some of the most sophisticated countries in the world. Countries like the UAE and Bahrain make up the Middle East and I will embarrass you further by telling you that they too, have some of the lowest crime rates in the world.

4) More ignorance. The Arabs and Asians were creating the concept of algorithms, applying medicine, forming advanced forms of communication and introducing social customs whilst the people of the West were still running around dressed in animal skins and communicating in pictures and grunts. How do you think most Western countries got to this point? It was by taking the knowledge of the Middle-East and Far East for themselves; so before you go blabbing about being civilized, make sure you think about where it came from kiddo.

5) Have you ever travelled? I'm guessing you haven't if you're spouting nonsense like this. You're probably just re-iterating the unique cases you see in the media and misappropriately applying that as a general standard.

Blind hate? I provided you with statistics and that is the reason for what I think. You know 10% of all crimes in here is a pretty big number when there are less than 200 000 immigrants in country of 5 million Finnis people. What kind of details would you like? The source? It's in finnish but I can provide it:

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Your just avoiding the issue by spouting some philosophical nonsense about natural law.

When I said Eastern World, my bad, I didn't mean all of it. I meant mostly the muslim countries in which womens rights are in a worse situation aka they are behind in the progress of civilazation. And I'm not even talking about gang raping in India. We read about that sh*t every week in the news. Basically there is this class/caste system where the lowest ones have basically no human value at all. And because of that the girls are getting raped. And when they are getting raped police does nothing but laugh about it. Do you want to tell me more about the advancements of East?

Anyway India was not the issue. You know what the issue is. Do you deny there is a problem with immigrants in many European countries? Well I'll tell you It's there and it's real.

And yes I have travelled. Not as much as I've wanted but to about five countries in Europe.

 

[BlacLord™]

Blind hate? I provided you with statistics and that is the reason for what I think. You know 10% of all crimes in here is a pretty big number when there are less than 200 000 immigrants in country of 5 million Finnis people. What kind of details would you like? The source? It's in finnish but I can provide it:

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Your just avoiding the issue by spouting some philosophical nonsense about natural law.

When I said Eastern World, my bad, I didn't mean all of it. I meant mostly the muslim countries in which womens rights are in a worse situation aka they are behind in the progress of civilazation. And I'm not even talking about gang raping in India. We read about that sh*t every week in the news. Basically there is this class/caste system where the lowest ones have basically no human value at all. And because of that the girls are getting raped. And when they are getting raped police does nothing but laugh about it. Do you want to tell me more about the advancements of East?

Anyway India was not the issue. You know what the issue is. Do you deny there is a problem with immigrants in many European countries? No? Then sh*t the f*ck up. It's there and it's real.

And yes I have travelled. Not as much as I've wanted but to about five countries in Europe.

@Bold Boom. Now I know why you're so in the dark.

And your source clearly points out that the crime is mostly amongst people in their teens. And even then, your source is a tabloid based newspaper; that's a joke within itself.

I'm not avoiding the issue, you are purposely ignoring the facts that I have put in front of you. You are talking trash, you even define the core as natural law as "philosophical nonsense", you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You talk about Arab countries as if you've stayed in any one, when you clearly haven't. You take what you see in the media alone and apply that solely for your beliefs and it's wrong. I can do just the same with the UK - here's a bunch of articles about rapes and abuse, why don't you apply your modus operandi in the same method:

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Well, tell me that the UK is uncivilized because rape and abusing, dominating male partners in relationships exist in the media, go on. The only problem with immigration is idiots like you who don't know their arse from their face. Get out there and stay in other countries before making any unjust comments.

You brought the concept of a girl being blamed for being raped? That's nothing new. It's happened numerous times in the West.

 

[Hawker]

@Bold Boom. Now I know why you're so in the dark.

And your source clearly points out that the crime is mostly amongst people in their teens. And even then, your source is a tabloid based newspaper; that's a joke within itself.

I'm not avoiding the issue, you are purposely ignoring the facts that I have put in front of you. You are talking trash, you even define the core as natural law as "philosophical nonsense", you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You talk about Arab countries as if you've stayed in any one, when you clearly haven't. You take what you see in the media alone and apply that solely for your beliefs and it's wrong. I can do just the same with the UK - here's a bunch of articles about rapes and abuse, why don't you apply your modus operandi in the same method:

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Well, tell me that the UK is uncivilized because rape and abusing, dominating male partners in relationships exist in the media, go on. The only problem with immigration is idiots like you who don't know their arse from their face. Get out there and stay in other countries before making any unjust comments.

What are babbling about teens? The statistics were given regardless of age. And the source for that article is our national Statistic Center. Let me even link that for you although it was mentioned on the previous link:

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Tell me what are the facts you have put in front of me that concerned the issue of immigrants? All that garbage mumbling about nature laws does not have anything to do with this issue. And the issue is that crime statistics are largely made of numbers by immigrants and they commit most of the sexual crimes. Why do I need to go to arab countries when I can realize those facts right now? Immigrants are more prone to criminal behaviour than the natives.

You posting links of isolated incidents does not prove sh*t you tw*t. Ofcourse I know white people commit crimes too.

It's also not a secret that women are treated poorly in many muslim countries. Or do you want me to go there and realize this fact by myself? Geez, get a grip man and stop attacking me only on the basis of the fact that I haven't personally been to Arab countries.