[VS] Whitebeard vs Akainu

[LBeezy]

1-Marineford was about the end of an era
2-WB's deteriorated health was brought up multiple times
3-WB couldn't stop an attack from Squadro and that was pointed out
4-WB himself said that his epithets are nothing more than titles and that he can't be the strongest forever
5-WB and Akainu stalemated each other
6-Akainu was never at full strength as he never used DF awakening
7-WB gets heart attacks one lasted long enough for Akainu to punch a hole in chest and for Sengoku to give the order for fodder marines to land hits on WB. Akainu could've done WAY more damage in that moment.
8-WB needed to be saved from Aokiji
9-WB was outclassed by Kizaru
10-Akainu shrugged off 2 gura punches from WB and went off to decimate WB's crew and even Marco was powerless against him.

People actually think a half-dead WB could kill a fresh Akainu.....

1 - yeah.. that's not all it was about.. but yeah..

2 - True. But what does this have to do with a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu?

3 - that's like Cavendish stabbing Luffy in the back the next time they fight together.. it's not that the attack couldn't be stopped. It's that the attack is a completely unexpected surprise back-stab by someone you thought was on your side.

4 - True. But what does this have to do with a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu?

5 - ......

6 - dude... no offense.. but this is one of the worst things I've ever seen to back up a DF fighter in OP. For real though.. that can be said about ANYONE. For every fight. EVER. Full strength is full strength for each individual. Not everyone is going to awaken their DF. And in fact, are you saying that WB did awaken his DF? I'm not sure what you're trying to say by this #6.. I just really dont..

7 - this is true. But the main argument here is if WB and Akainu fight 1 on 1 fresh, who's to say when and even if WB has a heart attack during this hypothetical fight.

8 - ?

9 - ??

10 - "shrugged off"? ...... and yeah everyone (including Marco) out of the WB crew could not beat Akainu.. True. But what does this have to do with a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu?


I don't see people thinking that.. but what I do see is people thinking that a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu would result in WB winning.. and they're not wrong imo..

That only works on one part of my argument, the second... Ill quote you when I reply to you, not based on what you want.

Yeah that made me laugh..

First he states "this is a vs thread on a forum" ... then asks a member not to quote him.. :bdpf:

lol

 

[Vandenre1ch]

1 - yeah.. that's not all it was about.. but yeah..

2 - True. But what does this have to do with a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu?

3 - that's like Cavendish stabbing Luffy in the back the next time they fight together.. it's not that the attack couldn't be stopped. It's that the attack is a completely unexpected surprise back-stab by someone you thought was on your side.

4 - True. But what does this have to do with a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu?

5 - ......

6 - dude... no offense.. but this is one of the worst things I've ever seen to back up a DF fighter in OP. For real though.. that can be said about ANYONE. For every fight. EVER. Full strength is full strength for each individual. Not everyone is going to awaken their DF. And in fact, are you saying that WB did awaken his DF? I'm not sure what you're trying to say by this #6.. I just really dont..

7 - this is true. But the main argument here is if WB and Akainu fight 1 on 1 fresh, who's to say when and even if WB has a heart attack during this hypothetical fight.

8 - ?

9 - ??

10 - "shrugged off"? ...... and yeah everyone (including Marco) out of the WB crew could not beat Akainu.. True. But what does this have to do with a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu?


I don't see people thinking that.. but what I do see is people thinking that a fresh WB vs a fresh Akainu would result in WB winning.. and they're not wrong imo..

1-WB was past his prime. He was no longer the strongest and as Toshio said, WB's title was never successfully challenged.

2. I was talking about Marineford WB.

3. Marco said WB should've been able to stop the sneak attack if he was healthy....

4. I am talking about MF WB.

5. Old WB and Akainu stalemated before the first heart attack. That is an obvious fact.

6. Did Akainu use awakening which is his full strength? No he did not.

7. Prime WB was free of illness. Again, I was referring to MF WB.

8 & 9 & 10. That was directed towards the people who thinks the half-dead MF WB could beat the fresh Akainu.

 

[-Akuma-]

Old WB was introduced as WSM, you think Oda would do that and not actually have it be true? Not to mention they're fresh, no sword through the chest before hand? WB mangles this boy.

 

[ToshiZO]

You know there is a problem when your Captain is a burden to you as a FM/ second strongest in the crew. Do I need to take snippets out of my post?

Marco shitting bricks at the thought of WB removing his life support machinery/ admitting WB should have been able to dodge.

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Marco fully admitting he predicted WB to succumb to heart attacks.

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Lol it was because of WB that both Marco and Jozu lost their respective battles against the Admirals. He was a burden on the battlefield someone who could not be trusted to fight a top tier stated by Marco himself.

And we still have people here claiming he beats one 1v1 when the manga totally crapped all over this?

 

[LBeezy]

1-WB was past his prime. He was no longer the strongest and as Toshio said, WB's title was never successfully challenged.

2. I was talking about Marineford WB.

3. Marco said WB should've been able to stop the sneak attack if he was healthy....

4. I am talking about MF WB.

5. Old WB and Akainu stalemated before the first heart attack. That is an obvious fact.

6. Did Akainu use awakening which is his full strength? No he did not.

7. Prime WB was free of illness. Again, I was referring to MF WB.

8 & 9 & 10. That was directed towards the people who thinks the half-dead MF WB could beat the fresh Akainu.

1 - Oh okay.. I see what you're saying.

2 - I know but that's not what this thread is about.

3 - but that's like Zoro saying that about the Luffy and Cavendish situation I used to compare.. how can Marco truly say whether or not it was something that WB's health played a factor in. It's purely Marco's opinion. (How does he know for a 100% fact, that WB just didn't think one of his 'sons' would back-stab him?) Plus "should've" doesn't equal "would've".

4 - I know but that's not what this thread is about.

5 - I didn't disagree with you. You were just stating facts. That's why I didn't say anything.. lol

6 - But I'm asking you, are you saying that WB did use awakening?

7 - True. And I know what you were referring to, but that's not what this thread is about.

8, 9, and 10 - oh okay. My bad dude.

 

[-Akuma-]

That literally only proves how much they care about WB and his old age? That doesn't disprove his strength, Oda was showing he declined and was STILL the strongest. This was emphasized multiple times, on top of the fact it took a collective effort to put WB. All the Admirals attacked him, Squard and even the BB pirates. It took an collective effort for a reason, nobody on that battlefield was besting him ONE ON ONE. WB recived so much hype and praise on MF and was out right called the World's Strongest Man. But yet you interpret that as he wasn't the strongest? Guess Kaido and Mihawk's title doesn't mean shit. Guess the fact Kaido the person called the strongest thing on the planet had to wait for WB to go to war to fight him.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

So the same people who always argue whenever someone says Kaido is not the strongest always come in for his defence claiming he is the world strongest, yet when WB has the same title it gets ignored. OK..

 

[ToshiZO]

More excuses (that can easily be used for Akainu going the other way), more irrelevant vague generalizing posts that aren't looking at facts for what they are, but rather skimming over them and constantly highlighting the title to support the argument.

I start questioning people's ability to read the manga at this stage. Read, read again, read again, read however many times it takes to understand what was going on in MF.

I feel I have said all that needs to be said in this thread. But you lot can keep hopping around the points and throwing in your shallow posts rather than facing the points head on, because its true there really isn't an argument to be made.

So the same people who always argue whenever someone says Kaido is not the strongest always come in for his defence claiming he is the world strongest, yet when WB has the same title it gets ignored. OK..

Lmfao case in point.

 

[LBeezy]

You know there is a problem when your Captain is a burden to you as a FM/ second strongest in the crew. Do I need to take snippets out of my post?

Marco shitting bricks at the thought of WB removing his life support machinery/ admitting WB should have been able to dodge.

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Marco fully admitting he predicted WB to succumb to heart attacks.

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Lol it was because of WB that both Marco and Jozu lost their respective battles against the Admirals. He was a burden on the battlefield someone who could not be trusted to fight a top tier stated by Marco himself.

And we still have people here claiming he beats one 1v1 when the manga totally crapped all over this?

How does the manga "totally crap all over" someone saying WB > Akainu? Especially in a 1 v 1... when the manga only showed both fighters going through multiple opponents and obstacles throughout the battlefield. Not to mention the manga said WB was the world's strongest man. Although the manga NEVER ever said that Akainu was the world's strongest man. You can bring up MF being the end of an era all you want and what not... but guess what? After WB died and was no longer alive, that title for world's strongest man didn't go to Akainu. :bdpf:

 

[-Akuma-]

Swords through the chest is an excuse? Having his heart condition been variegated by that is an excuse that can go either way? You're not a bad poster at all ToshiZO, but at this point you're coming off as salty af. Half of the things that happened to WB can't be said for Akainu at all.

 

[ToshiZO]

Swords through the chest is an excuse? Having his heart condition been variegated by that is an excuse that can go either way? You're not a bad poster at all ToshiZO, but at this point you're coming off as salty af.

I have already went over all those things in detail. Nothing is overlooked.

If you want to make an argument you are gonna have to come up with something else because I have already covered every single one of these.

It's getting tiring seeing the same posts over and over again with no real backing but rather "Why would Oda give this title if he....etc" arguments.

Lmfao I can go on and literally repeat the same thing "Why would Oda show the passing of an era in MF if WB was still the strongest?"

this type of talk isn't taking anybody anywhere. Lets look at the cold hard facts. None of this hopping around them to support some viewpoint.

 

[LBeezy]

More excuses (that can easily be used for Akainu going the other way), more irrelevant vague generalizing posts that aren't looking at facts for what they are, but rather skimming over them and constantly highlighting the title to support the argument.

I start questioning people's ability to read the manga at this stage. Read, read again, read again, read however many times it takes to understand what was going on in MF.

I feel I have said all that needs to be said in this thread. But you lot can keep hopping around the points and throwing in your shallow posts rather than facing the points head on, because its true there really isn't an argument to be made.





Lmfao case in point.

Lmao.. you seem to be the one who needs to re-read the manga more than anyone at this point.. if you can't see WB > Akainu.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

1 - Oh okay.. I see what you're saying.

2 - I know but that's not what this thread is about.

3 - but that's like Zoro saying that about the Luffy and Cavendish situation I used to compare.. how can Marco truly say whether or not it was something that WB's health played a factor in. It's purely Marco's opinion. (How does he know for a 100% fact, that WB just didn't think one of his 'sons' would back-stab him?) Plus "should've" doesn't equal "would've".

4 - I know but that's not what this thread is about.

5 - I didn't disagree with you. You were just stating facts. That's why I didn't say anything.. lol

6 - But I'm asking you, are you saying that WB did use awakening?

7 - True. And I know what you were referring to, but that's not what this thread is about.

8, 9, and 10 - oh okay. My bad dude.

In my first post, I said Prime WB beats Akainu extreme diff but MF version loses to Akainu high diff because of the illness. Someone tried to argue that even a half-dead WB at MF could've beaten a fresh Akainu.

 

[-Akuma-]

I have already went over all those things in detail. Nothing is overlooked.

If you want to make an argument you are gonna have to come up with something else because I have already covered every single one of these.

It's getting tiring seeing the same posts over and over again with no real backing but rather "Why would Oda give this title if he....etc" arguments.

Lmfao I can go on and literally repeat the same thing "Why would Oda show the passing of an era in MF if WB was still the strongest?"

this type of talk isn't taking anybody anywhere. Lets look at the cold hard facts. None of this hopping around them to support some viewpoint.

-You're acting like his title was the only thing I said.

-For someone who loves to use portrayal, you sure ignored all of WB's.

-If we look at the hard cold facts, nobody was ****ing with WB.

You were the one who originally was displeased/addressing me, but I have to go back and read your arguments?

 

[-Akuma-]

In my first post, I said Prime WB beats Akainu extreme diff but MF version loses to Akainu high diff because of the illness. Someone tried to argue that even a half-dead WB at MF could've beaten a fresh Akainu.

I'm surprised you think Prime WB barley scraps a W against Akainu.

 

[ToshiZO]

-You're acting like his title was the only thing I said.

-For someone who loves to use portrayal, you sure ignored all of WB's.

-If we look at the hard cold facts, nobody was ****ing with WB.

You were the one who originally was displeased/addressing me, but I have to go back and read your arguments?

Lmfao your post was definitely one that ticked me off. Bringing in the exact same nonsense I had dealt with so many times literally word for word with that same question as Uzumaki Macho. Don't know why you got so offended though.

Though I only addressed you after you directed your post at me.

Also I love to use portrayal because there are hardly any feats to go by, the order always goes Feats > Portrayal, if there are a bundle of them. If they aren't concrete enough you have to go by portrayal.

 

[Ripple Hole]

WB High diff. Akainu's a strong ass tank, that's probably the major issue. I'm sure on even grounds while WB is also
fresh WB would trump over Akainu. The guy had multiple swords shot through his chest, a bullet lounged in his back and was previously hooked up to an IV or whatever dafuq it was, clearly suffering from old age pretty badly.

Majority of the fight WB just stood in one spot.

 

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[Anduril]

WB ***** slaps Akainu.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Bro, no offense, but you said that... and then right after, literally in that same post, you said this...



You see what I'm pointing out?

Just because BB and crew was able to kill WB when they jumped him, doesn't mean that the same results would have happened if it was a head-on assault from either men.

I mean literally your whole second quote stands up for Akainu, but the EXACT SAME things can be said to stand up for WB.. you just choose not to.. and that's not right. That logic has to be applied to both bro.

Except Teach and his crew didn't jump WB, it was a straight fight.

WB who was old and sick was WSM, you're playing yourself if you think Akainu wins.

That title carried over from his previous days. WB himself said "It's not like I could be the strongest forever."

Admiral fanboys at best lol at u riker and the guy who thinks its 0% chance of WB winning. When u can't one shot a guy who has heart attacks in front of u and took the most brutal attacks by many ppl such as sword impaling ur chest and still look even and goes on to fight other ppl how is akainu better in a fresh battle. Pls the logic these kids have is beyond me. Basically the argument is let's put all logic and portrayal and Odas own words and let's just say admirals> anything. Wank is unreal

No top tier is one-shorting another top tier in a straight fight under any circumstances. We've seen that the closer two people are in strength, the harder it is for either one to take the other out. That's why Garp and Roger almost killed each other, but couldn't finish it up. That's why Akainu and Aokiji took ten days to finish up their fight. Akainu being able to one-shot WB under any circumstances in a straight fight is absurd.

Replace BB scenario with akainu instead of BB and crew and WB would lose .

Which is the point I was trying to make, thanks for playing.