[VS] Whitebeard vs Akainu
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" World's strongest man" takes the fight. Shouldn't really be a question, when he was kind of introduced as the strongest in one piece despite his old age.
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If it's old WB, Akainu high diff.
If it's young WB, WB extreme diff.
When Akainu and old WB clashed, they were even until WB caught a heart attack, and was left wide open. Akainu could have thrusted his fist through the middle of his face instead of in his chest, and that would have been the end of WB. Old WB has the sheer power to make it an extreme diff fight, but his body can't keep up with it and would give out on him.
If it's young WB, WB extreme diff.
When Akainu and old WB clashed, they were even until WB caught a heart attack, and was left wide open. Akainu could have thrusted his fist through the middle of his face instead of in his chest, and that would have been the end of WB. Old WB has the sheer power to make it an extreme diff fight, but his body can't keep up with it and would give out on him.
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I also love how people use that last fight between WB and Akainu to say WB would dominate Akainu. By that logic, Caesar would also defeat Luffy with ease because Caesar was able to jump Luffy, and the Yeti Cool brothers are stronger than Zoro because they knocked Zoro out with sleeping gas via jumping him
WB extreme diff, wb had an injury from squardo and was fighting many other people and the resultant stress of all of that made him have a heart attack, even though akainu could have punched wb in the face at that first ecounter it woulda hve ended the same as the second. All that damage and akainu wasnt even able to kill wb, without the factor of other fighters i have to give this to wb.
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The injury meant nothing to WB. When the heart attack struck, he grabbed his chest, not the wound, and it was attributed to his ailing condition, meaning it would have happened regardless of Squardo's stab. WB laughed at the notion that Squardo's stab could have done anything to stopped him, indicating it was irrelevant to Whitebeard.
No, it wouldn't have ended the same as the second because in the second, WB jumped Akainu. Are the Yeti Cool Brothers guaranteed to win against Zoro because they were able to knock him out via jumping him? Because, the logic you're using here suggests that. It wouldn't have ended the same as the second because WB was wide open to Akainu's attack, nothing suggests he could have avoided it had Akainu aimed for his face.
The only reason Akainu didn't get to kill WB in that second encounter is because WB was able to destroy the floor. A straight brawl between them at that point would ended with a dead WB.
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I honestly think Akainu and the other 2 admirals for that matter could beat Whitebeard at marineford in a proper 1v1.
Not so sure how much his sickness affected him during the arc, but I'm going to say it could go either way if it was Old "Fresh" whitebeard (leaning more to Akainu).
Young WB high-diffs
Not so sure how much his sickness affected him during the arc, but I'm going to say it could go either way if it was Old "Fresh" whitebeard (leaning more to Akainu).
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No its the other way around lol. Akainu was able to counterattack and took half of WB's face but that didnt amtter to him at all. Punching WB with a lava fist isnt able to slow him down. That is what that second fight showed. Even if Akainu did that in the first fight the result would end with akainu getting smashed by a gura fist.
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You honestly believe that Teach and his cronies were superior to Akainu? Or superior to WB's commanders minus 2 and the dozens of pirates accompanying them?
No I am saying the fight left with akainu being at a disadvantage and it could easily have been followed up by another attack. WB went from a distinct advantage to fighting fresh opponents and even landed a major attack on BB.
Also his first heart attack wasnt cause by squardo alone but also by fighting aokiji and countless marines. At the very least his heart attack onset would have been delayed allowing for a more fair fight to occur in which akainu would suffer injuries.
WB's fate wasnt dictated by akainu alone either, BB shot the crap outta him, he was stabbed numerous times and hit with kizarus light beams. Akainu accounted for two major injuries but in the face of what else he sustained, it wasnt all that many. You discredit what the other fighters did too much.
1- Whitebeard's reflexes were slower than usual, evidenced by the fact that anyone who knew him said he wouldn't have gotten stabbed by Squardo under normal circumstances
2- Whitebeard had problems to control his haki(at least his conqueror) due to health problems evidenced by when he failed to knock out the guardians that were about to execute Ace
3- The stab injury Whitebeard got from Squardo was severe enough that even an endurance beast like Luffy couldn't believe he could still fight after that
4- On top of those handicaps, Whitebeard received much more injuries during the war, to the point of being close to a half dead state before even facing Akainu
5- I don't even get the analogy between the scenes you presented, but even if we take into consideration the intial shot Whitebeard gave to Akainu, Whitebeard was still in a considerably worse state(a minor-to moderate injury compared to someone half dead isn't even comparable) than Akainu after Akainu retaliated, yet even on top of these multiple handicaps, Whitebeard still slightly dodged Akainu's assault and KO'd him with a quake for a considerable moment of time, but ignored him because he had other things to do.
If even on top of all those advantages, the best Akainu could achieve was being a little weaker, he'd have been eaten alive by start of marineford Whitebeard, let alone his prime self
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This a faulty premise. Akainu was a disadvantage because of a very particular set of circumstances only that happened due to events of the manga. Those events aren't there during a 1 vs 1 match-up, so that disadvantage would also not be present. Meaning, it's not a viable argument.
Otherwise, if someone asked me who would win between Luffy and Caesar, I could link where Caesar got the drop on Luffy and say "Here, Luffy was put in a disadvantage. Luffy loses because in this particular set of circumstances, Caesar could have killed Luffy."
It wasn't caused by Squardo whatsoever. Yes, the fight would have been delayed further, but the premise of Akainu suffering injuries and WB not suffering is also faulty because prior to WB's heart attack, Akainu was slugging it out with him completely evenly. If Akainu would have taken on injuries, WB would have also.
I am not discrediting anything. You're saying that if the fight had continued between Akainu and WB, the second one, Akainu would have lost and WB would have won. This would mean that Akainu is inferior to Teach and his cronies and that the WB commanders and dozens of pirates are also inferior to Teach and his cronies, which is a premise that makes zero sense to me.
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And by the time WB got around to fighting Akainu, he could counter several of Akainu's attacks without trouble detecting them. Unless you're saying Squardo's stab was faster than Akainu's and Aokiji's attacks, WB's drop in reflexes at that moment were a temporary lapse in his abilities. Meaning, that's a moot point.
Caused by a heart attack that struck at that moment. WB's Haki affected Akainu, something Marco's and Vista's couldn't do, also renders this into a moot point.
And Luffy is aware of anything WB can do? What's Luffy's frame of reference? For one, Luffy was COMPLETELY out of his element in that war. Almost everyone there who was worth noting were leagues above Luffy, so of course feats by them appear to be otherworldly and amazing to Luffy. Note that Garp, Sengoku, Marco, Akainu, Aokiji, etc. made no note of how special it was WB could still fight after that blow because they're on a level where they know shit like that is laughable. Literally. WB laughed at the notion of such a blow doing anything to stop him. So again, moot point.
I never denied this.
SSelf says that Akainu would have lost to Whitebeard at the moment he was jumped during their second clash. This would mean Akainu lacks the ability to do something Teach and his cronies did, which was kill Whitebeard. This would mean Akainu is inferior to Teach and company. Akainu clashed with dozens of pirates and the WB commanders, and left without significant or further injury, indicating that Akainu was at least equal to them if not superior. If Akainu was inferior to Teach, as the previous premise dictates, then this would also mean the WB company that clashed with him is also inferior to Teach and company. Which I don't agree with.
People say WB whooped Akainu's ass but that's only because Akainu was jumped. We've seen that when a character is jumped and caught off-guard, even people weaker than them can deal great damage. Caesar incapacitated Luffy via jumping him. Yeti Cool Bros. incapacitated Zoro via jumping him. Hell, the entire premise of Law's attack pattern against Doffy was misleading him in order to jump him with surprise attacks because he knew was too weak to hit him head on.
The point is, jumping someone can yield results that wouldn't be accomplished by a head-on assault. And the same can be applied to Whitebeard: Just because WB was able to whoop Akainu when he jumped him doesn't mean that the same results would have happened if it was a head-on assault from either men.
Considering that Aokiji, Akainu's more or less equal, was not, I doubt it.
