[Discussion] Whitebeard is the most overrated Character.

[Punk Hazard]

Enel, Doflamingo, Rob Lucci, Moriah, Crocodile.

He almost killed all of them. And even if he didn't, the two Rob Lucci and Doflamingo prove that almost killing someone ≠ equals.

Enel, Moriah, and Crocodile weren't almost killed. Crocodile was immediately taken to prison. Can't remember exactly what happened to Moriah. Enel literally got up, got on his ship, and flew to the moon, bruises and blood still visible, and was perfectly fine by the time he got there with no one to give him any kind of medical attention. He just knocked them out.

Rob Lucci is the only one who was injured enough to warrant much-needed medical attention, and Doflamingo would definitely some kind of medical attention after his organs got busted twice.

 

[chopstickchakra]

When Rogers era is called "The Great Pirate Era" then we can talk about that era being > the current era. There are many more pirates today and therefore many more top tiers on both sides (Navy and Pirates).

No one gave a rats ass about pirating during Roger's era, he was the one who made being a pirate mainstream. Common sense it was weaker as there was considerably less competition.

As a whole it would be weaker but that doesn't = the tops of that generation being below the tops of the current age. Most current tops would beat the tops of Rogers era now but that doesn't mean they'd have beaten their peak being. They might but the simple fact there's more emphasis on pirating now than then doesn't make the tops now automatically above the tops of then.

 

[A v i]

When people call someone the ruler of seas, there is always his crew to consider. You can be the strongest of all and still not be able to claim the thorn...Someone more powerful than Roger may not be able to conquer the seas without strong enough crew. Roger's crew was also a part of the reason as to why WB wasn't regarded as the kind in Roger's presence despite being as powerful as him. What I am trying to insinuate is; When people call a person a ruler or an obstacle or a wall or however the hell they refer to a supreme pirate, It isn't necessarily because he is overwhelmingly more powerful than the rest as there is always a crew to be considered in the equation.


That said, Roger and WB weren't some kind of special exceptions meant to be far ahead of others. They were simply the best of all, which, however, doesn't make them that much better, especially, in regards to strength. As far as I know, the manga never hyped them to a level where they can be placed a level above other top tiers. If anything, they were just as powerful as any other top tier character with the only exception being that they were the best of all. So the whole old generation top tiers are better than the current generation top tiers is just a random fan made BS.

 

[arv993]

He got on his knee to hug Squard.


The only reaching here is this character pride nonsense. Characters express pain all the time.

Haha you really believe that? Yea the guy was sweating bullets and went on a knee, was making a face that characters do when they are hurt and was bleeding a lot. And you call that laughing it off and equals to absolutely nothing that is a definition of reaching.

No matter how you spin it you look ignorant if you say characters in manga don't display pride, I just pointed doffy as an example. You seem to take all character statements literally

When people call someone the ruler of seas, there is always his crew to consider. You can be the strongest of all and still not be able to claim the thorn...Someone more powerful than Roger may not be able to conquer the seas without strong enough crew. Roger's crew was also a part of the reason as to why WB wasn't regarded as the kind in Roger's presence despite being as powerful as him. What I am trying to insinuate is; When people call a person a ruler or an obstacle or a wall or however the hell they refer to a supreme pirate, It isn't necessarily because he is overwhelmingly more powerful than the rest as there is always a crew to be considered in the equation.


That said, Roger and WB weren't some kind of special exceptions meant to be far ahead of others. They were simply the best of all, which, however, doesn't make them that much better, especially, in regards to strength. As far as I know, the manga never hyped them to a level where they can be placed a level above other top tiers. If anything, they were just as powerful as any other top tier character with the only exception being that they were the best of all. So the whole old generation top tiers are better than the current generation top tiers is just a random fan made BS.

yea ppl understand the concept of what you are saying, but we have seen a near dead Wb be deadly, it speaks volumes to his equals. him at prime, means hes superior in almost every way including speed, agility and endurance especially.

now let me ask you this do you believe akainu or aokiji can beat him in that state? if you are a reasonable person the answer would be no and thus we can conclude that ppl like roger, garp and Wb are a step above the current top tiers. Rayleigh and Shiki are most likely close to them as well. But if your answer is asinine and you believe akainu >= prime WB theres no point in the argument.

@shademasa

I agree with you all I'm saying is kaido is the closest thing we saw to that level of hype and BB seems to be getting there.

and all of you guys who say they are hyping the old gen too much well yea its true theres always fans who take it a step too far but it happened because all hype and feats show the top tier of previous gen > top tier of current gen. ppl tend to overrate any strong character like some admirals or shanks etc.

 

[-Akuma-]

Almost killing each other isn't ambiguous in the way Oda tried to portray it. Garp was not massively behind Roger or WB. Only villains to push Luffy on the brink of death like Riker said were Lucci and DD and throw in Croc the 1st time.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Almost killing each other isn't ambiguous in the way Oda tried to portray it. Garp was not massively behind Roger or WB. Only villains to push Luffy on the brink of death like Riker said were Lucci and DD and throw in Croc the 1st time.

Nah, I was saying they were the only ones who were close to dying by the time their fight with Luffy ended. I'm especially surprised he said Enel, considering Enel proceeded to literally fly to space right after.

 

[A v i]

Almost killing and pushing someone to the brick of death aren't always the same thing. Neither Lucci nor Doffy managed to push Luffy to near death state. Luffy was just pushed to his utmost limits which means that he simply exhausted to a level where can no longer move an inch. If anything, Crocodile and Magellan were the only ones who came close to killing Luffy, as he would've definitely died after those battles without necessary medical attention. Lucci needed some intense medical attention after his fight which Luffy, that's what it means to be pushed to the brick of death.

yea ppl understand the concept of what you are saying, but we have seen a near dead Wb be deadly, it speaks volumes to his equals. him at prime, means hes superior in almost every way including speed, agility and endurance especially.

now let me ask you this do you believe akainu or aokiji can beat him in that state? if you are a reasonable person the answer would be no and thus we can conclude that ppl like roger, garp and Wb are a step above the current top tiers. Rayleigh and Shiki are most likely close to them as well. But if your answer is asinine and you believe akainu >= prime WB theres no point in the argument.

Which Whitebeard were you referring to? MF Newgate loses to any top tier in the series. If it was prime Whitebeard, literally no one would be able to defeat him. But there are plenty who should be able to fight on par with him, they still would be weaker than him with the only exception being Roger.

 

[arv993]

Almost killing and pushing someone to the brick of death aren't always the same thing. Neither Lucci nor Doffy managed to push Luffy to near death state. Luffy was just pushed to his utmost limits which means that he simply exhausted to a level where can no longer move an inch. If anything, Crocodile and Magellan were the only ones who came close to killing Luffy, as he would've definitely died after those battles without necessary medical attention. Lucci needed some intense medical attention after his fight which Luffy, that's what it means to be pushed to the brick of death.




Which Whitebeard were you referring to? MF Newgate loses to any top tier in the series. If it was prime Whitebeard, literally no one would be able to defeat him. But there are plenty who should be able to fight on par with him, they still would be weaker than him with the only exception being Roger.

I'm speaking of his prime. Mf wb is considerably worse than his prime self when considering his reflexes. You stated that they were as powerful as any top tier in their prime. I just want you to clarify that statement cuz prime Garp, WB, roger and even shiki seem to be above the likes of akainu and aokiji.

 

[Gintõki1]

Yeah , no...
That title has Zoro.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm speaking of his prime. Mf wb is considerably worse than his prime self when considering his reflexes. You stated that they were as powerful as any top tier in their prime. I just want you to clarify that statement cuz prime Garp, WB, roger and even shiki seem to be above the likes of akainu and aokiji.

@Bolded: Where? Where have they been implied to be above them?

 

[Bogard]

He beat Akainu to a pulp in a half dead and sick state. If that wasn't Oda's message to show just how powerful WB was i don't know what it was

 

[Punk Hazard]

He beat Akainu to a pulp in a half dead and sick state. If that wasn't Oda's message to show just how powerful WB was i don't know what it was

He hit Akainu once after jumping him, then got hit, then hit Akainu and Akainu fell into a hole. Given that Akainu had enough consciousness and mobility to dig into the ground once in the hole(there was water at the bottom of the hole, there's no way Akainu was injured substantially as that would have caused him to fall in and drown), we know he'd have been able to keep attacking Whitebeard.

Whitebeard at that point couldn't survive the fodder stabs and bullets from a bunch of rookies and a couple inmates, but you think he'd be able to keep fighting Akainu? Please. Whitebeard would have died right then and there if he and Akainu had kept fighting. Yet another example of WB being overrated.

 

[Bogard]

He hit Akainu once after jumping him, then got hit, then hit Akainu and Akainu fell into a hole. Given that Akainu had enough consciousness and mobility to dig into the ground once in the hole(there was water at the bottom of the hole, there's no way Akainu was injured substantially as that would have caused him to fall in and drown), we know he'd have been able to keep attacking Whitebeard.

Whitebeard at that point couldn't survive the fodder stabs and bullets from a bunch of rookies and a couple inmates, but you think he'd be able to keep fighting Akainu? Please. Whitebeard would have died right then and there if he and Akainu had kept fighting. Yet another example of WB being overrated.

Akainu didn't even have enough strength to remain on his feet and avoid a fall. Akainu was actually lucky the ground gave in which saved his ass cuz WB could have finished him right there.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu didn't even have enough strength to remain on his feet and avoid a fall.

Then how did he avoid falling into the ocean below and drowning?

 

[Bogard]

Then how did he avoid falling into the ocean below and drowning?

He turned into logia form some time later on to merge with the rocks, recovering and hiding the entire time from papy WB until he was far enough(while fighting other people) and came back to chase Luffy again

 

[Punk Hazard]

He turned into logia form some time later on to merge with the rocks, recovering and hiding the entire time from papy WB until he was far enough(while fighting other people) and came back to chase Luffy again

Some time later? And he was just, what, floating in midair in between the time he fell in the hole and the time he merged into the rock to avoid falling into the water? At least try with your bullshit.

 

[Bogard]

Some time later? And he was just, what, floating in midair in between the time he fell in the hole and the time he merged into the rock to avoid falling into the water? At least try with your bullshit.

Some time later = unknown moment after falling from the pit. It could have been a second after being unable to move and avoid a fall or 3seconds later
Who talked about floating in the mid air? I'm saying he turned into logia form and merged with the rock because it's what Whitebeard's men estimated the moment they saw Akainu again("did he merge with the rock or something?"). Nothing i said was bullshit

 

[Punk Hazard]

Some time later = unknown moment after falling from the pit. It could have been a second after being unable to move and avoid a fall or 3seconds later

More than enough time to keep on fighting Whitebeard.

 

[Bogard]

More than enough time to keep on fighting Whitebeard.

Did you miss the part where i said it's all he could do and spend his time recovering(when Whitebeard was attacking other people)? Whitebeard had more than enough time to finish him off at that point if Whitebeard didn't ignore him after the ground gave in

 

[arv993]

@Bolded: Where? Where have they been implied to be above them?

Was akainu called the worlds strongest creature like Kaido, let's leave wb out of this for a sec. Was he even hyped like shanks I don't think so, he was never even stated to be the ultimate top tier like Garp was in his prime, Garp got pirates like roger, wb to acknowledge him. He was put on a pedestal from the get go and Oda separated him by calling him the hero of the marines etc I can go on but I'll stop. what was akainu given? A big beating and matching Marco not even overpowering him where as Garp punched him easily. Oda time and time again showed how great Garp was and also showed shiki can take on the best and survive for quite some time. Oda always gives certain characters very special hype and ppl like Kaido, wb, roger and Garp are usually on the receiving end of that kind of praise.

Now let's get wb, him having better reflexes and being younger makes his durability better. Since durability decreases as you get older and especially with illness. So a more durable, faster and overall better wb is even with akainu?, dude please stop joking. You always lose this argument cuz u can never find any great hype for akainu and you can't ignore the obvious downsides wb has when he is old and sick. Give it up you keep looking ignorant