White Guilt and its affliction on the liberal left

[Gerkak]

The surround's specifics of it were completely different, to which is why they can't be compared.

Please elaborate

 

[Callypigia]

You would agree that, white people can never and will never be subjected on a world scale to the injustices they've inflicted on other races. Correct?

You know that white people have enslaved white people too? Black people have enslaved black people. Asians have enslaved Asians. Kingdoms of the Middle East have enslaved each other. It really isn't about race. It's just about power and control over others. It's that drive for power that led human evolution to what it is today. It's good and bad. It is our innate drive that causes us to study harder for a test or work hard to be the best athlete we can. It is also why we conqueror, rape, enslave, and kill.

 

[Melanin]

Please elaborate

I'll use images & words.

Imagine being stacked on top of someone like a box or package and remaining that way for months (though the middle passage).

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Then when the ship is too slow or their isn't enough food ration out, imagine being thrown overboard.

That event was called the Zong Massacre the epitome of the injustice.

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You know that white people have enslaved white people too? Black people have enslaved black people. Asians have enslaved Asians. Kingdoms of the Middle East have enslaved each other. It really isn't about race. It's just about power and control over others. It's that drive for power that led human evolution to what it is today. It's good and bad. It is our innate drive that causes us to study harder for a test or work hard to be the best athlete we can. It is also why we conqueror, rape, enslave, and kill.

Again, I'm not disputing that nor have I attempted too.

What I am saying however is, Black's couldn't enslave whites and inflict the same amount injustice or hardships on them.

 

[Callypigia]

Again, I'm not disputing that nor have I attempted too.

What I am saying however is, Black's couldn't enslave whites and inflict the same amount injustice or hardships on them.

Don't be so racist. Blacks have the potential to enslave anyone they want just as much as any other race.

 

[Melanin]

Don't be so racist. Blacks have the potential to enslave anyone they want just as much as any other race.

Don't call me racist, you don't know me like that nor have I given any impressions that could lead you to articulating me as a racist.

All men have the ability to view and treat someone a certain way based solely on the skin color rather then the content of their character, that makes us human.

But can the black enslave white people today or 50 years from today, no.

 

[Gerkak]

I'll use images & words.

Imagine being stacked on top of someone like a box or package and remaining that way for months (though the middle passage).

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Then when the ship is too slow or their isn't enough food ration out, imagine being thrown overboard.

That event was called the Zong Massacre the epitome of the injustice.

Here's the memorial images.

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Again, I'm not disputing that nor have I attempted too.

What I am saying however is, Black's couldn't enslave whites and inflict the same amount injustice or hardships on them.

So are you saying that others who were also enslaved before were not transported under the same or similar conditions?

Blacks have enslaved whites before, no matter how you look at it one should not feel guilty for the deeds of others. If my brother killed someone should I blame my self for said murder?

 

[Callypigia]

Don't call me racist, you don't know me like that nor have I given any impressions that could lead you to articulating me as a racist.

All men have the ability to view and treat someone a certain way based solely on the skin color rather then the content of their character, that makes us human.

But can the black enslave white people today or 50 years from today, no.

That entire statement was a joke. I figured you were black and I'm not sure you can be truly racist against your own race without some pathological self-loathing and/or media brainwashing. But since you took my comment in a serious direction: 50 years is arbitrary. What about 2,000 years from now? 10,000 years? Humans are millions of years old. We don't know in what direction civilization will turn in the future or how we will evolve. I agree, probably not 50 years, but in a few thousand years? Maybe.

 

[Melanin]

So are you saying that others who were also enslaved before were not transported under the same or similar conditions?

Yes, and it's a historical fact.

Africans were piled onto ships by the thousands, stacked like boxes and were shipped across the Atlantic.

Blacks have enslaved whites before, no matter how you look at it one should not feel guilty for the deeds of others. If my brother killed someone should I blame my self for said murder?

Black's have enslaved whites before, I would love for you to elaborate on that but it wouldn't hold up against the atrocities committed during African enslavement by the hands of whites. Secondly, I'm not asking you to feel guilty about anything nor do I expect you to take the blame for something that was done before your grandmother was born. What I am saying however is, don't play what actually happened.

 

[Gerkak]

Yes, and it's a historical fact.

Africans were piled onto ships by the thousands, stacked like boxes and were shipped across the Atlantic.

All people who widely practiced slavery were cruel and did the same thing. White slavics were captured and brought as slaves in the same conditions to the middle east, north and Northwest africa.

Black's have enslaved whites before, I would love for you to elaborate on that but it wouldn't hold up against the atrocities committed during African enslavement by the hands of whites. Secondly, I'm not asking you to feel guilty about anything nor do I expect you to take the blame for something that was done before your grandmother was born. What I am saying however is, don't play what actually happened.

It is the same as I have said above.

I never played anything, but you are acting as if blacks were the ones that suffered, this is not unlike how some jews believe they were the only ones killed in concentration camps.

 

[Multiply]

The only people who genuinely believe that are idiots. However, the people that say, "It wasn't me so it doesn't matter." are equally as stupid. You can't dismiss heinous acts against humanity.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

You know that white people have enslaved white people too? Black people have enslaved black people. Asians have enslaved Asians. Kingdoms of the Middle East have enslaved each other. It really isn't about race. It's just about power and control over others. It's that drive for power that led human evolution to what it is today. It's good and bad. It is our innate drive that causes us to study harder for a test or work hard to be the best athlete we can. It is also why we conqueror, rape, enslave, and kill.

But it does create that racist mentality.

 

[Callypigia]

But it does create that racist mentality.

Yeah. I don't really get it though. Racism seems lazy. I get people fearing something different than they are accustomed to, or not liking someone else's cultural practices/beliefs. But when you exhibit racism you're just grabbing the quickest arbitrary physical characteristic that has no bearing on anything other than skin pigmentation. It's like some cognitive short-cut to discriminate (politically or emotionally) based on an obvious physical attribute and then generalize it to people you've never met. I know we've all done it before in some way, shape, or form, but it's stupid, embarrassing, and illogical in hindsight.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Yeah. I don't really get it though. Racism seems lazy. I get people fearing something different than they are accustomed to, or not liking someone else's cultural practices/beliefs. But when you exhibit racism you're just grabbing the quickest arbitrary physical characteristic that has no bearing on anything other than skin pigmentation. It's like some cognitive short-cut to discriminate (politically or emotionally) based on an obvious physical attribute and then generalize it to people you've never met. I know we've all done it before in some way, shape, or form, but it's stupid, embarrassing, and illogical in hindsight.

When the races divide themselves, and live with different cultures, people get that competitive mentality that only one can survive, I guess. Also, it's easy to fall victim to propaganda and truly believe that every other race is your enemy that is after you.

 

[Callypigia]

When the races divide themselves, and live with different cultures, people get that competitive mentality that only one can survive, I guess. Also, it's easy to fall victim to propaganda and truly believe that every other race is your enemy that is after you.

My grandmother used to breed dogs, she was also a psychologist (a long time ago). She found that puppies would often gang-up and bully the puppies that looked different (i.e., three tri-colors pushing around a Blenheim). All living beings have innate tendency to be weary of something different, and protect something similar. In social psychology you can see the evolutionary advantage to homogeneity. Our world has gotten smaller, our cultures have become very integrated in a very short amount of time. We just haven't evolved fast enough to meet the modernization of our world in the last 6,000 years. We try to force it with media and changing social norms, which may influence the way people talk, but not the way people think.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

My grandmother used to breed dogs, she was also a psychologist (a long time ago). She found that puppies would often gang-up and bully the puppies that looked different (i.e., three tri-colors pushing around a Blenheim). All living beings have innate tendency to be weary of something different, and protect something similar. In social psychology you can see the evolutionary advantage to homogeneity. Our world has gotten smaller, our cultures have become very integrated in a very short amount of time. We just haven't evolved fast enough to meet the modernization of our world in the last 6,000 years. We try to force it with media and changing social norms, which may influence the way people talk, but not the way people think.

Personally, I'm afraid of some people in the Middle East doing something stupid. Let's say if the U.S were to be nuked (with the instability of the Middle East and technology progressing, it's not impossible), I think every non-middle eastern would get rid of their accepting beliefs and just go for a huge genocide. Middle Eastern Citizens of Western countries would end up like the westernized Japanese in WWII, if not worse, which would mean trouble for me.

It saddens me that what you say is true. Racism will be with us till the very end.

 

[Callypigia]

Personally, I'm afraid of some people in the Middle East doing something stupid. Let's say if the U.S were to be nuked (with the instability of the Middle East and technology progressing, it's not impossible), I think every non-middle eastern would get rid of their accepting beliefs and just go for a huge genocide. Middle Eastern Citizens of Western countries would end up like the westernized Japanese in WWII, if not worse, which would mean trouble for me.

It saddens me that what you say is true. Racism will be with us till the very end.

I have hope that we will evolve, but it won't be in our life time. It could be tens of thousands of years. I liked the South Park episode with the Goo-Backs from the future. They came from a time where all the cultures, languages, and races had melded into one uniform people. I can see something like that many years down the line. They say that in 100 years blondes could be extinct. You never know.

 

[GhostProject]

There's no doubt about that, almost every accent culture practiced some form of slavery. Which yes includes African's native to Africa but you need to know that it was wasn't practiced on a brutal or large scale and history backs that.

You also need to understand that Africans Slaves native to Africa didn't number in the millions which means at some point the African slaves native to Africa sold to Europeans weren't enough and the methods of obtaining African slaves changed.

African's were

• Stolen
• Tricked into surrendering themselves
• Bribed
• Europeans even went as far too empower one certain tribes with rifles and sophisticated weaponry in hopes they would dominate their enemies to which they would take as payment.

Inflicted on the primus of them being white or on the primus of religion or beliefs?

Answer that?



They did that plus more, educate yourself.

If you're suggesting white cultures are the only ones that have committed atrocities, then you are mistaken. If you are not suggesting that, then I don't see the point.

 

[paratise]

It's funny how that fact is lost on the many social leftist circles I've observed.

Some of them think white people just kidnapped Africans.Lol

Yeah, okay. This "Africans sold Africans" arguement is getting old and somehow became a statement that equates blacks and whites responsibility in slavery.

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Africa is not a monolithic society, it was monolithic as any other continents. It is 2nd largest continent in the world and it included many different beliefs, civilizations, religions, internal conflicts etc. Slavery had different extends and meanings through time and place, slavery in US, slavery in Africa, slavery in China, slavery in Roman empire rooted from different social structures and had different meanings.

Also no matter what someone looks racism still does exist. It does not disappear from society just because people can vote and get a job in legal ways, laws do not equate having equality in everyday lifestyle. And white supremacism still exist, there are white supremacists organizations and people around.

Regarding to guilt part, due to unfair treatmant in past people have different economic and social conditions. There is something called heritage and most people leave their posessions to their children, whether people would like to live in past or not past still effects them. Since whites could work in fair condition, earn more money, laws allowed them to own property etc. in past their successsors can benefit from these. Meanwhile black people's ancestors did not have properties or decent jobs so their grand grand children could not get a loaded heritage like whites (on average basis). Saying nothing should be todays' whites concern is basicly saying they can live with all the benefits from past while disregarding the consequences.

Well socially...

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(Not even getting into media representation)

People do casual racism w/o being aware because it had been alright. Most people do not regard what they do as bad nor do something "bad" unconciously they justify it by their reasons. Hitler thought he was doing good for his country. One of the infamous Delhi rapist justified his act by stating "what she was doing out there at that hour". In his mind he was just normal. Racism still happens in daily life (from what i searched) and to be frank it is not someone else's job to say how much they are getting effected by it.

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[Anorien16]

My point being, The Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade.

MILLIONS of African slaves were stolen and stacked on ships like boxes and transported to different continents (The America's & Caribbean Islands). There's a difference between the primitive practice of slavery in ancient cultures and The Atlantic slave trade.

Hopefully know also know the fact that the African (Black) Elite seized the said slaves from the black lower class (or they were simply PoWs) and sold them for money?