TobisPawn
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NOTE: This is not a straight up Hashirama vs Hiruzen thread, but a thread regarding the whole "myth" aspect of Hashirama.
So there's this butthurt Hashirama fanboy who thinks that either:
1. No one who saw Hashirama's prime saw Hiruzen's too (which I'll debunk later).
2. That not a single damn person in the entire Konoha believed people talking about Hashirama's prime (which I'll debunk later on too).
I'll be getting into the background, and then the two theories.
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Here's an image of when Tobirama and Hashirama (arguably in his prime) were still alive, with a young Hiruzen:
From the looks of it, Hiruzen became Hokage at most 15 years AFTER this image was taken, meaning that Hashirama died not too long after this, so he reached his prime not too much after, or was already in his prime. Here's an image of Hiruzen when he became Hokage, showing only about a 10-15 year age difference.
Now there obviously was a lot of 20 year olds living during the first photo, don't you think? If Hiruzen reached his prime around 25 years later after the first photo (10 years after becoming Hokage), those same people would be 45. Hell, the 15 year olds from Hashirama's prime would be 40. So many people witnessed both Hashirama's and Hiruzen's prime. That's enough with the background information.
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Now here's where both of our theories split paths, seeing that these men obviously witnessed both of their primes:
1. The Hashirama fan's theory - Every single 40-60(+) year old that saw both of their primes (which they obviously did, as proven above) tried convincing every single person in Konoha that Hashirama > Hiruzen, yet not a single person believed them. OR he says that no one from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's (which has been debunked above).
My argument against this: Tell me, people of NB, do you think every 40 year old in our society is some geezer with Alzheimers or something? Besides, many members from Hiruzen's old team and such, were still alive and probably looked up to, so they would have been believed if they said Hashirama > Hiruzen (since they witnessed both primes). But who was called the strongest Hokage by all of these men and women from both of the Kages' prime eras?
2. My theory - These men, who saw both of their primes (as proven above), considered Hiruzen to be the stronger Hokage. They gave Hiruzen the nickname "The God of Shinobi" and others, representing him as being the strongest Hokage. But they still told people of Hashirama's power (who might have had more raw power), but some didn't believe them, because they didn't believe someone could use Mokuton, and use it on such a large scale. So some considered Hashirama a myth. The myth aspect is due to some not believing that someone could actually create wood, and on such a large scale.
His argument against this: He thinks that because we don't know when Hashirama died (though he looked the same as an Edo), my theory can't prove anything. But in reality, it doesn't matter, because Hiruzen reached his prime about 25 years after Hashirama was still alive, regardless of when Hashirama died.
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So you tell me, Narutobase. Which theory seems more plausible, mine or his? I've clearly debunked most of (if not all of) his theory, yet he still holds true to it. So do you guys think that (even though I've proven it wrong) that not a single person witnessed both of their primes? OR do you believe my theory?
AND P.S: Don't bring in your Hashirama vs Hirzuen thoughts in here. This is just pretty much asking whether you believe that people witnessed both of their primes (as obviously proven) or not (for some reason).
So there's this butthurt Hashirama fanboy who thinks that either:
1. No one who saw Hashirama's prime saw Hiruzen's too (which I'll debunk later).
2. That not a single damn person in the entire Konoha believed people talking about Hashirama's prime (which I'll debunk later on too).
I'll be getting into the background, and then the two theories.
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Here's an image of when Tobirama and Hashirama (arguably in his prime) were still alive, with a young Hiruzen:
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From the looks of it, Hiruzen became Hokage at most 15 years AFTER this image was taken, meaning that Hashirama died not too long after this, so he reached his prime not too much after, or was already in his prime. Here's an image of Hiruzen when he became Hokage, showing only about a 10-15 year age difference.
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Now there obviously was a lot of 20 year olds living during the first photo, don't you think? If Hiruzen reached his prime around 25 years later after the first photo (10 years after becoming Hokage), those same people would be 45. Hell, the 15 year olds from Hashirama's prime would be 40. So many people witnessed both Hashirama's and Hiruzen's prime. That's enough with the background information.
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Now here's where both of our theories split paths, seeing that these men obviously witnessed both of their primes:
1. The Hashirama fan's theory - Every single 40-60(+) year old that saw both of their primes (which they obviously did, as proven above) tried convincing every single person in Konoha that Hashirama > Hiruzen, yet not a single person believed them. OR he says that no one from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's (which has been debunked above).
My argument against this: Tell me, people of NB, do you think every 40 year old in our society is some geezer with Alzheimers or something? Besides, many members from Hiruzen's old team and such, were still alive and probably looked up to, so they would have been believed if they said Hashirama > Hiruzen (since they witnessed both primes). But who was called the strongest Hokage by all of these men and women from both of the Kages' prime eras?
2. My theory - These men, who saw both of their primes (as proven above), considered Hiruzen to be the stronger Hokage. They gave Hiruzen the nickname "The God of Shinobi" and others, representing him as being the strongest Hokage. But they still told people of Hashirama's power (who might have had more raw power), but some didn't believe them, because they didn't believe someone could use Mokuton, and use it on such a large scale. So some considered Hashirama a myth. The myth aspect is due to some not believing that someone could actually create wood, and on such a large scale.
His argument against this: He thinks that because we don't know when Hashirama died (though he looked the same as an Edo), my theory can't prove anything. But in reality, it doesn't matter, because Hiruzen reached his prime about 25 years after Hashirama was still alive, regardless of when Hashirama died.
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So you tell me, Narutobase. Which theory seems more plausible, mine or his? I've clearly debunked most of (if not all of) his theory, yet he still holds true to it. So do you guys think that (even though I've proven it wrong) that not a single person witnessed both of their primes? OR do you believe my theory?
AND P.S: Don't bring in your Hashirama vs Hirzuen thoughts in here. This is just pretty much asking whether you believe that people witnessed both of their primes (as obviously proven) or not (for some reason).
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