[Discussion] Which Quincy CAN'T Askin beat?

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Why does everyone keep calling askin one of the elites when he's not one?
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He'd get hit by Gerard once and make an immunity. Gerard just gets stronger, won't change the fact Askin is immune to him.
He could become Immune to Lille Reitsu then poison the Reitsu to kill Lille. Doesn't have to physically hit either ofthem.
Make an immunity of what, exactly? There's no substance Askin can absorb from Giant Gerard's attacks when they're nothing but physical punches and kicks. Askin would get crushed to death before he'd acquire immunity.

There's also nothing he can absorb from Lille's attacks when they're non-physical and have no reiatsu behind them. Askin would get spatially-vaped by X-axis.
 

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Make an immunity of what, exactly? There's no substance Askin can absorb from Giant Gerard's attacks when they're nothing but physical punches and kicks. Askin would get crushed to death before he'd acquire immunity.

There's also nothing he can absorb from Lille's attacks when they're non-physical and have no reiatsu behind them. Askin would get spatially-vaped by X-axis.
Askin's Immunity works of Physical Attacks as well as Reaitsu based ones. Prior to being immune to Yushiro's reiatsu, he got knocked over by one of his punches. After getting the immunity, Yushiro couldn't do anything to him. The same holds true for Gerard.

As for Lille, it's only fan speculation as to what he does. It's never been stated that he just erases anything between his gun and his target (Except in the Mangapanda translation). Also, most of his attacks are visible when not obscured by New Villain Power Syndrome (Where a villain can do whatever they want without being seen before explaining their powers. This is also how Askin hit Nimaya with DeathDealing without a Gift Ball), which implies they are reiatsu based.

Even if there is no physical attack, it still uses Reiatsu, so Askin can make an immunity to the X Axis attacks.
 
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Askin's Immunity works of Physical Attacks as well as Reaitsu based ones. Prior to being immune to Yushiro's reiatsu, he got knocked over by one of his punches. After getting the immunity, Yushiro couldn't do anything to him. The same holds true for Gerard.
Think you're confusing something here. Yushiro's last attack on Askin was the point-blank release of Shunko/reiatsu, not intended to be a punch. What Askin was immune against was Yushiro's reiatsu, hence why his Shunko explosion didn't work. Askin tanked Yushiro's punch with his own durability after Askin knew how powerful they were.

And even if Askin was immune to physical attacks, it doesn't change the fact that Gerard's power output >>>>> Yushiro's, and therefore Askin would get crushed before he could acquire immunity.

As for Lille, it's only fan speculation as to what he does. It's never been stated that he just erases anything between his gun and his target (Except in the Mangapanda translation).
No, both translation state that everything between the muzzle and target gets pierced (chapter 604). It's a non-physical attack that cannot be blocked.

Also, most of his attacks are visible when not obscured by New Villain Power Syndrome (Where a villain can do whatever they want without being seen before explaining their powers.
X-axis attacks aren't visible. The only visible about it is the flash left behind on the holes his X-axis leaves when they hit something.

This is also how Askin hit Nimaya with DeathDealing without a Gift Ball), which implies they are reiatsu based.
Where's the connection here? Askin's Deathdealing is a non-physical hax, and therefore not visible. You haven't connected how it's a reiatsu-based attack.

Even if there is no physical attack, it still uses Reiatsu, so Askin can make an immunity to the X Axis attacks.
X-axis costs reiatsu to be used (like every technique in Bleach), but that doesn't mean it's made up of reiatsu. If it's not a manifestation of Lille's reiatsu, then there's no substance for Askin to absorb into his body. It's not like Respira or yama's flames which are tangible manifestations of their owner's reiatsu.

And once again, Askin would have his whole body pierced from creation before he could acquire immunity.
 
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Think you're confusing something here. Yushiro's last attack on Askin was the point-blank release of Shunko/reiatsu, not intended to be a punch. What Askin was immune against was Yushiro's reiatsu, hence why his Shunko explosion didn't work. Askin tanked Yushiro's punch with his own durability after Askin knew how powerful they were.

And even if Askin was immune to physical attacks, it doesn't change the fact that Gerard's power output >>>>> Yushiro's, and therefore Askin would get crushed before he could acquire immunity.
Gerard doesn't start off huge. He's not going to be able to just one shot Askin like you seem to be implying. Oh, and yes, that last attack was a punch. Shunkou enhanced, but still clearly a physical attack.


X-axis attacks aren't visible. The only visible about it is the flash left behind on the holes his X-axis leaves when they hit something.
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There is clearly something there, not just everything in a strait line being erased. The point is that if there is something there, it's something that Askin can become immune too.

Where's the connection here? Askin's Deathdealing is a non-physical hax, and therefore not visible. You haven't connected how it's a reiatsu-based attack.
Okay, i was just getting into a stupid rant there. When they're first introduced, a bad guys powers always seem to happen off screen (In this case, Askin poisoning Nimaya. We didn't see him shooting a gift ball). I can't be the only one who notices this? The point is that it gives me a free pass for any moment where you don't see Lille's shots.
X-axis costs reiatsu to be used (like every technique in Bleach), but that doesn't mean it's made up of reiatsu. If it's not a manifestation of Lille's reiatsu, then there's no substance for Askin to absorb into his body. It's not like Respira or yama's flames which are tangible manifestations of their owner's reiatsu.
You appear to be basing all these matchups on the other person starting out in their ultimate form that requires some stupid crap to activate. Gerard starts small, Lille starts with his eyes closed. Lille cant destroy askin before he makes an immunity.

This is all just jibbering over whether the X Axis attacks use Reiatsu. If they don't, Lille wins. If they do, Askin wins. There is no reason to assume they don't.

(also, X-Axis's original translation is "Piercing through Everything" which definately sounds like a physical object, not a magical death line)
 
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