Which of the 2 sannin is the strongest??
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That's a seriously difficult battle to guess the outcome.
Orochimaru froze on Itachis Genjutsu, and as thus people have decided orochimaru is weak against Genjutsu.
I think it is more to do with the fact that Itachi is without question the Genjutsu master of the naruto world, he always fights his opponents mostly with Illusions, he hates fighting and doesn't like violence, so he simply makes people wear out through an illusion rather than physicaklly damage them or kill them.
As to orochimaru being weak against frog song-probably.
Orochimaru is a persistent guy, fast, skilled, and a super genius.
Jiraiya has sage mode and frog song.
Overall i reckon Jiraiya CAN just about take out oro, its more his emotion stopping him from killing him entirely than his actual skill and ability.
Jiraiya would hesitate to make a final blow on his friend, Orochimaru has no hesitation.
Skill wise-Jiraiya
Orochimaru froze on Itachis Genjutsu, and as thus people have decided orochimaru is weak against Genjutsu.
I think it is more to do with the fact that Itachi is without question the Genjutsu master of the naruto world, he always fights his opponents mostly with Illusions, he hates fighting and doesn't like violence, so he simply makes people wear out through an illusion rather than physicaklly damage them or kill them.
As to orochimaru being weak against frog song-probably.
Orochimaru is a persistent guy, fast, skilled, and a super genius.
Jiraiya has sage mode and frog song.
Overall i reckon Jiraiya CAN just about take out oro, its more his emotion stopping him from killing him entirely than his actual skill and ability.
Jiraiya would hesitate to make a final blow on his friend, Orochimaru has no hesitation.
Skill wise-Jiraiya
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I voted for Jiraaiya (Yes I am Biased bbut even still)...
Thats Because orochimaru is Time and place specific..
Even though the J-man might have to take time to prepare Ma and Pa, it wouldn't be even close to how long Orochimaru wowuld take to go up for a fight.. he needs to have a high stock of fresh bodies to use. + he needs alot of chemicals and stuff (not counting medicine here)... He might be able to do alot of planning before Hand but might not be expecting stuff like the Gen-jyutsu song. And I odubt he can be even comparable to the speed that Sage mode would give the J-man..
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Thats Because orochimaru is Time and place specific..
Even though the J-man might have to take time to prepare Ma and Pa, it wouldn't be even close to how long Orochimaru wowuld take to go up for a fight.. he needs to have a high stock of fresh bodies to use. + he needs alot of chemicals and stuff (not counting medicine here)... He might be able to do alot of planning before Hand but might not be expecting stuff like the Gen-jyutsu song. And I odubt he can be even comparable to the speed that Sage mode would give the J-man..
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Well Oro is still in control of the hydra tech. So if he's caught in the genjutsu then the whole thing is bound because he can't move. Then Jiraiya could stab his huge toad sword into Oro's face.
I really wanna see an all out fight between these two happen though because it would be epic. It would start out with an exchange of weak to moderate techs and some taijutsu. Then they'd probably do summons and we'd see some Gamabunta vs Manda action while Jiraiya summoned Ma and Pa for Sage mode and Oro maybe prepared his Edo Tensei or something. Then it would be crazy and dangerous for anyone nearby. Sennin mode Jiraiya would somehow subdue Oro's summons with crazy combo techs like Goemon or something. Oro would transform to Yamata no Orochi form and Jiraiya would use Yomi Numa (underworld swamp) to slow him down and some Chou Oodoma Rasengans and finally Ma and Pa would use the demonic toad illusion tech. This would paralyze Oro and thus his whole hydra thing and Jiraiya would stab him through the face with the toad sword and then seal him with some cool jutsu into a scroll like he did with Amaterasu.
Or maybe Jiraiya summons the Master Sword and Orochimaru turns to stone after its plunged into his skull...
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I voted for Jiraiya for several reasons other than the fact that I like him third on my list of favorites.
Orochimaru was skilled in substitutions and barrier jutsu as well as hidden jutsu and summoning, but he was overwhelmed by his ambition and thus had a clouded judgment of what the true shinobi is possibly preventing him from fighting at his maximum like he would with the will of fire like Jiaiya.
I don't pretend to down play Oro's abiltiy he did fight is former commrades without the use of his jutsu but he is a slimy guy. And his fight with the 4 tails was the only time I saw any real power being able to summon a tripple rashiman and use his snake sword so skillfully other than that nothing strikes me as uber tight.
Jiraiya has rasengan and multiple variatons of it, any of which if landed directly would spell possible death for oro. His fire style and frog collaboration jutsu are very powerfull as well, not to mention that Jiraya was poisoned and less than thirty percent when he stood toe to toe with oro and even then was able to summon dark swamp and limit the use of oro's snake summoning. Jiraya has sage mode also and this makes for a difficult battle for anyone who fights him
Sage mode movements are unimaginably fast and powerful look at how he crippled the eyes of one the sixth paths. Jiraya has a better summoning creature as well with the frogs being able to wield weapons and weave hand signs I don't see any snakes doing that.
Orochimaru has shown no ability to me that woiuld out right smash Jiraiya except maybe a direct hit from the long sword of his. Taijutsu are probably evenly matched but chakra levels goes to Jiraiya since he was a sage I believe he had more chakra than oro did. Ninjutsu is the factor Oro has a lot of it and we'll just assume they would both be at their best no limitataions.
They both have great experience and are well aware of some of ther abilities. Jiraiya with the will of fire and his sage mode defeats Oro and his substituting ass with his eight headed snakyness like when he fought Itachi. With out a doubt Orochimaru is tough and all but he can't compare to the level of jutsu that Jiraiya had achieved.
Jiraiya has a knack for deducing what th circumstances for the battle are very quickly and is able to most of the time come up with a good counter hence the fact that he has no genjutsu but managed to set up a pretty elaborate scheme in order to allow his frog companions to cast their genjutsu against Pain who is way ****ing tougher than Orochimaru.
Orochimaru was skilled in substitutions and barrier jutsu as well as hidden jutsu and summoning, but he was overwhelmed by his ambition and thus had a clouded judgment of what the true shinobi is possibly preventing him from fighting at his maximum like he would with the will of fire like Jiaiya.
I don't pretend to down play Oro's abiltiy he did fight is former commrades without the use of his jutsu but he is a slimy guy. And his fight with the 4 tails was the only time I saw any real power being able to summon a tripple rashiman and use his snake sword so skillfully other than that nothing strikes me as uber tight.
Jiraiya has rasengan and multiple variatons of it, any of which if landed directly would spell possible death for oro. His fire style and frog collaboration jutsu are very powerfull as well, not to mention that Jiraya was poisoned and less than thirty percent when he stood toe to toe with oro and even then was able to summon dark swamp and limit the use of oro's snake summoning. Jiraya has sage mode also and this makes for a difficult battle for anyone who fights him
Sage mode movements are unimaginably fast and powerful look at how he crippled the eyes of one the sixth paths. Jiraya has a better summoning creature as well with the frogs being able to wield weapons and weave hand signs I don't see any snakes doing that.
Orochimaru has shown no ability to me that woiuld out right smash Jiraiya except maybe a direct hit from the long sword of his. Taijutsu are probably evenly matched but chakra levels goes to Jiraiya since he was a sage I believe he had more chakra than oro did. Ninjutsu is the factor Oro has a lot of it and we'll just assume they would both be at their best no limitataions.
They both have great experience and are well aware of some of ther abilities. Jiraiya with the will of fire and his sage mode defeats Oro and his substituting ass with his eight headed snakyness like when he fought Itachi. With out a doubt Orochimaru is tough and all but he can't compare to the level of jutsu that Jiraiya had achieved.
Jiraiya has a knack for deducing what th circumstances for the battle are very quickly and is able to most of the time come up with a good counter hence the fact that he has no genjutsu but managed to set up a pretty elaborate scheme in order to allow his frog companions to cast their genjutsu against Pain who is way ****ing tougher than Orochimaru.
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This thread is acting like Jiraiya can produce that song by just talking, that song requires a lot of prep time, ma and pa.She even said herself that her voice was rusty(or somthing along the lines of that dont quote it ) so its not like they do that quite often.Granted when he did get it off its devastating, i dont see how anyone can get out lol
I think he means that he couldnt stop him beacuse he still had emotional ties towards him.Just like the 3rd.
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No, he lost to the Orochimaru. Orochimaru switched bodies, and for the two years he had his full strength back and was healed. His body began to reject him, that is when Sasuke fought him. I'd consider the wounded one the won who won over the one who died...
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Jiraiya has NEVER said that Orochimaru was stronger. Not once. He even said he'd put a stop to him. If Jiraiya has said it, provide the link.
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I think Jiraiya would win.
If he used Sage Mode, he would be able to summon Ma and Pa and use the Frog Song Genjutsu. It was also stated in one of the Databooks that his Sage Mode Ultra Great Ball Rasengan (the one that was bigger than his body) could hollow out an entire mountain. I don't think Orochimaru would be able to take that and regenerate if his whole body was obliterated. Kinda like DBZ, when they fight someone who can regenerate, they use a massive technique to obliterate the whole body beyond that point.
If he used Sage Mode, he would be able to summon Ma and Pa and use the Frog Song Genjutsu. It was also stated in one of the Databooks that his Sage Mode Ultra Great Ball Rasengan (the one that was bigger than his body) could hollow out an entire mountain. I don't think Orochimaru would be able to take that and regenerate if his whole body was obliterated. Kinda like DBZ, when they fight someone who can regenerate, they use a massive technique to obliterate the whole body beyond that point.
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because orochimaru cant be killed only sealed. he automatically wins and i dont want to hear any of your make believe sage favoritism, immortality beats any jutsu in any shape or form, unless its a extremely powerful sealing jutsu with quick delivery and precision (itachis totsuka blade in sasunoo)
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You don't want to hear any of our sage favoritism about as much as we don't want to hear about your Uchiha fanboyism. Yes, I am calling you a fanboy, yes, I am a hater of Uchiha fanboys. Yes, I am the ultimate noob or whatever hardcore anime fans say nowadays outside of Narutobase. Plus, Orochimaru requires that he switch bodies to retain his immortality. He can still die.
I, one of the biggest Jiraiya fans, still can't answer. They are two of the greatest ninja that we have ever seen and they are almost equal in power. I think it would come down to a stalemate or one would win because of a factor like the surroundings favor that one or one came into the battle less than the other. Orochimaru is VERY underestimated on this site and if you consider all of his divine abilities and look at the equally impressive moves of the Toad Sage they are incredibly close in power. A phenomenal match-up. Two of the best ever.
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On top of that, if Jiraiya fought Orochimaru with a surprise attack, just came out of nowhere when Orochimaru was walking somewhere, Jiraiya would be better prepared because his techniques don't require before fight preparing. His sage mode requires preparing, but then he can just summon Gamaken or Gamabunta or Gamahiro or all three to stall while he activates. Plus he has that barrier jutsu.lol 2 voters guess i know who you voted for kenshin
my vote goes for the J man. (have to admit im a little biased towards him) but i think in my heart of hearts jiraiya just about beats oro.
we can argue all day about whose tech would do what to whom and what the other would do to counter it
so i have just based my opinion on there two best fights...by best i mean the 2 fights in which they show there strengths off the most.
as it happens they both happened to lose there respective fights xd
oro vs the third , and J vs pain.
i feel that jiraiyas biggest strength is in sage mode (duh!)
and that oros biggest strength is his versatility in terms of techs/jutsus
and looking at the two iv not seen anything that oro could do (save respawning others to fight for him - and thats kind of uber hax preparedness that makes the fight unfair) that could beat sage Jiraiya
i mean that uber rasengan that jiraiya did against pain was awesome
(Q for every1: would the two respwaned kages that fought the 3rd be affected by the summoned frogs genjutsu in Js battle with pain)
so jiraiya sage beats the versatility of oro.
*waits for J haters to reply