Which is faster, Amaterasu or Kamui?

[Johndoesknowall]

This is actually perfect, considering Kakashi just displayed anothe feat this chapter lel.

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Kakashi displayed the same feat Obito has of being able to Kamui himself at will. Considering all Obito's "intangibility" is really doing is him moving certain parts of his body to the Kamui dimension, I see no reason Kakashi can't do the same. They've already displayed time and again that they do the same thing, this should be obvious.

Obito doesn't have true intangibility. He can still be grasped physically, it's just that he sends certain parts of his body to the other dimension so they don't get hit.

If Obito has true intagibility, this wouldn't have happened:

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So, wrong again.

t's funny you said that was your final response but you posted again and you did it for nothing.

This is not Kakashi's first time teleporting himself. Go reread the manga. Kakashi can only send himself as a whole to the other side. If he doesn't send his whole self then, then that part left behind would diconnect from his original body almost like being cut off and wouldn't reattach itself back on when he come's back.

If you can prove he can send parts of himself away without hurting or damaging himself. I'll stop. Until then Stop bring up the similar techniques they have between eachother, cause it's doing you no good.

Also my statement for Obito still stands true. He is intangible to people and objects outside of his dimension. Once they enter his dimension then it becomes untrue.

 

[Booker]

t's funny you said that was your final response but you posted again and you did it for nothing.

This is not Kakashi's first time teleporting himself. Go reread the manga. Kakashi can only send himself as a whole to the other side. If he doesn't send his whole self then, then that part left behind would diconnect from his original body almost like being cut off and wouldn't reattach itself back on when he come's back.

If you can prove he can send parts of himself away without hurting or damaging himself. I'll stop. Until then Stop bring up the similar techniques they have between eachother, cause it's doing you no good.

Also my statement for Obito still stands true. He is intangible to people and objects outside of his dimension. Once they enter his dimension then it becomes untrue.

Lel you are a true laughing stock.

I'm glad you gave me such a great sig

Keep being seld deluded, everybody already knows you're wrong.

They are the same jutsu, they are only applied differently.

 

[shelke]

Amaterasu. Obito's S/T Doujutsu has been called superior to Minato's S/T FTG by two people - Minato and Kakashi. Now, according to Manga, he cannot Kamui himself as fast as he can do so for his individual body-parts. Which makes Intangibility a lot faster than his regular Kamui. And guess what? He was unable to phase through the 'Spawn Point' created on his shoulder through a 'Trap' Amaterasu, even though he saw it coming.

This makes Amaterasu faster than Kamui, as it not only spawns on the target, but the second charge or built-up time is literally negligible, as proven by the manga scans when Nagato never saw it coming the second time.

 

[Booker]

Amaterasu. Obito's S/T Doujutsu has been called superior to Minato's S/T FTG by two people - Minato and Kakashi. Now, according to Manga, he cannot Kamui himself as fast as he can do so for his individual body-parts. Which makes Intangibility a lot faster than his regular Kamui. And guess what? He was unable to phase through the 'Spawn Point' created on his shoulder through a 'Trap' Amaterasu, even though he saw it coming.

This makes Amaterasu faster than Kamui, as it not only spawns on the target, but the second charge or built-up time is literally negligible, as proven by the manga scans when Nagato never saw it coming the second time.

Yeah, no.

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Does not spawn on target.

In case you hadn't noticed, Obito survived Amaterasu via Kamui, his "secret" Itachi didn't know. MS wasn't even active when Amaterasu hit him, meaning

(1) He wasn't expecting it
(2) He wasn't prepared

Replace Amaterasu with Kamui in that situation, and it would have done the same thing.

 

[shelke]

^ What no? Ae pumped Bijuu level Chakra into his V2 Cloak to barely evade it - Karin confirms it. I even mentioned the second charge/built-up time for Nagato who didn't even sense it the second time.


- Izanagi - His mask fell off and the clothes are intact when he reemerged. This doujutsu was explained through Danzo and then Itachi thoroughly later on. It was a 'secret' only for that time.

- Pointless reasons. All battles play out the same way. No one expects anything from an unknown enemy. They just keep their guards up. Obito was careful of Itachi. This isn't even a reason, sorry.

- Doubt it.

 

[Booker]

^ What no? Ae pumped Bijuu level Chakra into his V2 Cloak to barely evade it - Karin confirms it. I even mentioned the second charge/built-up time for Nagato who didn't even sense it the second time.


- Izanagi - His mask fell off and the clothes are intact when he reemerged. This doujutsu was explained through Danzo and then Itachi thoroughly later on. It was a 'secret' only for that time.

- Pointless reasons. All battles play out the same way. No one expects anything from an unknown enemy. They just keep their guards up. Obito was careful of Itachi. This isn't even a reason, sorry.

- Doubt it.

- If Amaterasu spawns on target, there shouldn't be any outrunning it. you can clearly see Amaterasu forming and Ay avoided it. You're wrong here.

- Itachi knew about Izanagi, so that couldn't have been Obito's "secret". The only logical secret is the one he kept from everybody, which is Kamui.

- It totally is a reason, because I can just as easily say Kamui would have caught anybody off guard who wasn't expecting it as well.

- This is not a reason, it's you being stubborn.

 

[Takos]

I can't believe there are people who seriously think Amaterasu is faster.

Even if it was, it can still be removed once you are hit with it, as opposed to Kamui.

Kamui >>>>> Amaterasu by a long (and I mean LONG) run.

 

[johnny335704]

My vote goes to Kamui over Amaterasu in terms of which 1 is fast.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Amaterasu. Obito's S/T Doujutsu has been called superior to Minato's S/T FTG by two people - Minato and Kakashi. Now, according to Manga, he cannot Kamui himself as fast as he can do so for his individual body-parts. Which makes Intangibility a lot faster than his regular Kamui. And guess what? He was unable to phase through the 'Spawn Point' created on his shoulder through a 'Trap' Amaterasu, even though he saw it coming.

This makes Amaterasu faster than Kamui, as it not only spawns on the target, but the second charge or built-up time is literally negligible, as proven by the manga scans when Nagato never saw it coming the second time.

Kamui is instantanous, Amateratsu has simply shown rapid movement.

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Kamui occurs instantaneously and requires no movement, otherwise it would warp everything along its path since it is hypothetically a tiny black hole.

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The only thing amateratsu is superior in, in regards to speed, is that it can be used consecutively in a short interval, while Kamui needs a rest.

Amateratsu was never used initially for it to have been used a second time, Itachi simply activated his MS so the crow would see it. This could be speculated to have already been his Amateratsu's prep since the chakra was presumably still built up in his eye, hence why Nagato didn't notice a differentiation in the pressure. Although I'm only disagreeing on this scenario, I would agree Itachi can use his Amateratsu several times in a near instant time span.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Amaterasu is faster U_U

 

[Ahmed1993]

Kamui is instantanous, Amateratsu has simply shown rapid movement.

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Kamui occurs instantaneously and requires no movement, otherwise it would warp everything along its path since it is hypothetically a tiny black hole.

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The only thing amateratsu is superior in, in regards to speed, is that it can be used consecutively in a short interval, while Kamui needs a rest.

Amateratsu was never used initially for it to have been used a second time, Itachi simply activated his MS so the crow would see it. This could be speculated to have already been his Amateratsu's prep since the chakra was presumably still built up in his eye, hence why Nagato didn't notice a differentiation in the pressure. Although I'm only disagreeing on this scenario, I would agree Itachi can use his Amateratsu several times in a near instant time span.

Don't wanna get into debate but you shouldn't put Itachi as an example , check his vision after his Tsukuyomi and you'll understand , also he used another Amaterasu before that one , not to mention he didn't want to kill Sasuke.

 

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@NarutoIndra

- What? That is Itachi moving his line of sight and Amaterasu travels wherever the eyes goes. Don't know what you are even implying with that point.

- No idea where you are getting with this point. This rest is only for Kakashi, as canonically, he cannot use Sharingan as an Uchiha can.

- It was Amaterasu as his eye bled. The second charge time is literally zero or close to it. Secondly, according to Jiraiya, no one should be able to sense anything unless they cannot see the technique. Since there is little to no built up time or blood from the eye for the second usage, a Kamui user is screwed.

- If Amaterasu spawns on target, there shouldn't be any outrunning it. you can clearly see Amaterasu forming and Ay avoided it. You're wrong here.

- Itachi knew about Izanagi, so that couldn't have been Obito's "secret". The only logical secret is the one he kept from everybody, which is Kamui.

- It totally is a reason, because I can just as easily say Kamui would have caught anybody off guard who wasn't expecting it as well.

- This is not a reason, it's you being stubborn.

Why are you using the SAME damn comments in two different threads?

- Quoting my own post here for the first point:

Denying manga facts, I see:

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He couldn't place it on Rikage because the first use affected his eyes 'point of focus' -

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A focused Amaterasu spreads at an alarming rate -

- Danzo was gone before Sasuke could blink.
- Hachibi was almost completely engulfed by flames.
- The frog's stomach was instantly burned through.
- Nagato and his summons.

Literally squat to debate here.

- So? His clothes are intact. Which technique could it possibly be? There is no 'secret' in this regard, you are just denying clear-cut manga facts, nothing else.

- Since you have brought no concrete evidence in Kamui's favour, I don't think I am being stubborn. But believe whatever pleases you.

 

[Booker]

@NarutoIndra

- What? That is Itachi moving his line of sight and Amaterasu travels wherever the eyes goes. Don't know what you are even implying with that point.

- No idea where you are getting with this point. This rest is only for Kakashi, as canonically, he cannot use Sharingan as an Uchiha can.

- It was Amaterasu as his eye bled. The second charge time is literally zero or close to it. Secondly, according to Jiraiya, no one should be able to sense anything unless they cannot see the technique. Since there is little to no built up time or blood from the eye for the second usage, a Kamui user is screwed.




Why are you using the SAME damn comments in two different threads?

- Quoting my own post here for the first point:



- So? His clothes are intact. Which technique could it possibly be? There is no 'secret' in this regard, you are just denying clear-cut manga facts, nothing else.

- Since you have brought no concrete evidence in Kamui's favour, I don't think I am being stubborn. But believe whatever pleases you.

- Lol wut? Focus point is clearly on Ay, it's even began forming! Lmao at you trying to defend Sausage.

- Right, because having him naked would be manga appropriate, right? Besides, Itachiknew about Izanagi. It's not a secret if he knows about it lel

- Are you saying Kamui wouldn't have done the same thing in that situation? You're just being a stubborn ass, per usual. You've shown me zero manga feats that put Ama even close to Kamui.

This is my last post to you, it's clear you just want to ride Sasuke's sasuage.

 

[Multiply]

- Lol wut? Focus point is clearly on Ay, it's even began forming! Lmao at you trying to defend Sausage.

- Right, because having him naked would be manga appropriate, right? Besides, Itachiknew about Izanagi. It's not a secret if he knows about it lel

- Are you saying Kamui wouldn't have done the same thing in that situation? You're just being a stubborn ass, per usual. You've shown me zero manga feats that put Ama even close to Kamui.

This is my last post to you, it's clear you just want to ride Sasuke's sasuage.

Time to tap out, eh shelke?

OT: Kamui is faster.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

When did I ever include Obito?
Kamui doesn't have much prep time. [

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]. This is all the proof that I need to portray that Kakashi barely needs prep time for it.

There is no proof that amateratsu occurs instantly. Zetsu saying it can occur exactly at a spot doesn't mean anything, since he has already shown to leak false facts. He has already stated that Yata and Totsuka make Itachi invincible, which is hype. We have seen the Yondaime Raikage dodge amateratsu, so we can only go by this feat. It would be completely illogical for Sasuke to be able to allow amateratsu to appear wherever he wants it to, yet still uses the amateratsu which requires movement. Your point is thus considered hype, as Yondaime Raikage already dodged it [

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Kamui is instantaneous as shown in all its uses. It doesn't move, and can warp himself to teleport with it. Saying it requires movement is ignorant since it is S/T after all. It is technically Kakashi choosing wherever he wants a hole to open to another dimension, hence my black hole analogy. I have shown you all the feats a logical person would need to realise that one is instant while the other is rapid movement. Statements by other characters don't count as feats. I didn't think it would require scans to state the obvious.. I have already shown you, prep time isn't needed, whereas amateratsu usually requires the user to close his eyes, build up chakra in their eyes (as Kamui), and then go on to fire the amateratsu in which it requires movement. Kamui only needs to build up chakra in his eyes, and use an instant warping ability which doesn't move, at all. If Kamui required movement, everything along its path would be warped in as well..

I can show scans to my friend.

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In the above you seen him cast amaterasu with little to no prep time. After having his sharingan switch to EMS in an instant.

You can check the anime: pretty fast with little to no prep time.

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Also Amaterasu doesn't need to travel, If can form where ever the persons eye is focused on. I never said anything about zetsu, but it can occur exactly where the eye is focused.

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Lol at bold. just look at anime or manga no eyes close the hole time.

 

[shelke]

@Immortal Itachi

- You mean it fell slightly short of Ae instead of appearing on him? Now you cannot even process scans properly.

- Is this even a point? No seriously.

- What points? I already showed show explicitly that Amaterasu spawns on the target, Obito unable to phase through etc and yet, you are somehow with facts?

Speak for yourself. Not all of us have wet-dreams about riding imaginary dicks. Love this base. Have no argument and resort straight to '**** riding' comments. Chimp on acid retards. Can't even brew up decent insults.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Amaterasu. Obito's S/T Doujutsu has been called superior to Minato's S/T FTG by two people - Minato and Kakashi. Now, according to Manga, he cannot Kamui himself as fast as he can do so for his individual body-parts. Which makes Intangibility a lot faster than his regular Kamui. And guess what? He was unable to phase through the 'Spawn Point' created on his shoulder through a 'Trap' Amaterasu, even though he saw it coming.

This makes Amaterasu faster than Kamui, as it not only spawns on the target, but the second charge or built-up time is literally negligible, as proven by the manga scans when Nagato never saw it coming the second time.

Thank you somebody gets why amaterasu is faster.

 

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@Immortal Itachi

- You mean it fell slightly short of Ae instead of appearing on him? Now you cannot even process scans properly.

- Is this even a point? No seriously.

- What points? I already showed show explicitly that Amaterasu spawns on the target, Obito unable to phase through etc and yet, you are somehow with facts?

Speak for yourself. Not all of us have wet-dreams about riding imaginary dicks. Love this base. Have no argument and resort straight to '**** riding' comments. Chimp on acid retards. Can't even brew up decent insults.

Says this:

Can't even brew up decent insults.

Chimp on acid retards.

Seems legit.

 

[Ahmed1993]

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So all of these are not instantaneous ?
Lmao , i knew it ,debating with a fanboy or hater would never lead to any conclusion even with manga facts.

Its pointless to continue this nonsense , i'm not gonna answer anymore.

 

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So all of these are not instantaneous ?
Lmao , i knew it ,debating with a fanboy or hater would never lead to any conclusion even with manga facts.

Its pointless to continue this nonsense , i'm not gonna answer anymore.

How can something that's instantaneous be blocked... These niggas actually kill me with their cracked ass logic.

>> Claim it's instant
>> Shows scans of it being dodged/blocked

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