Where would you put current orochimaru?

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seriously? how is kabuto even mentioned among the likes of hashi, ochi, madara?! so he's a smart scientist, who's good at collecting intel? he was still out witted by obito, and in the end was used like a pawn. if obito wanted to erase him he could have done so, he was waiting for the precise moment, but in the end he didn't even have to lift a finger in kabuto's case.
kabuto has madara as his edo and can control him if he wants+30 strong edos+dragon sage mode+orochimaru`s powers+sound four`s powers+karin,juugo,suigetsu`s powers.he is number 2 for sure
He is definately above Kabuto currently as he has all the infomation kabuto have plus kabuto have used up his edo. Dont forget that Oro is a guy that knows all...jutsu and info...and he is filled up with Hashirama cells; so dont count him out using mokuton jutsu. For me he is my no.3/4 just behind edo hashi, edo madara, and possibly obito(op with rinnegan,ms sharingan and mokuton).
i am nut putting current kabuto.kabuto in my list is the prime kabuto with all the edos and his powers
 

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I dislike including Edo's, they show us the power of different ninja. Not only that, but they generally have regeneration and unlimited chakra. I like to judge the strength of the user by their arsenal and what they can do.

Without his arms, I'd say he is top 25. With them he could be top 20.

Though, with his Zetsu body and the possibility of him having Sage Mode, he moves up to either top 15 or 20 (Assured).

He's an animal and a beast, but we've never truely seen anything but summons and low grade ninjutsu from the man!
In his fight with Hiruzen, he sat back and let the Edo Kage deal with him.

Against Naruto, his greatest feat, he was injured and armless yet he held and toyed with the best.

Orochimaru on his deathbed could have defeated Early Part Two Sasuke, but he went to take his body and was over powered there.

He even ****ed with Itachi's Susano'o, and scoffed at being impaled until he realized the sword would seal him.

Also, he is by far the most intelligent and knowledgeable shinobi in the series. If we see him using some more jutsu, useful ones that aren't his various (weak, I hate to say) snake techniques, then Orochimaru with arms is top 20(Without a doubt). And MAYBE, MAYBE DSM would be top fifteen, closer to top ten.
i agree with you if we discount the edos which ARE a part of one` arsenal and power IMO.with edo of hashirama alone he is in the top 6+3 more and he`s even higher XD
 

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There's no way to really tell how strong Orochimaru is, given his numerous jutsu that have yet to be seen. Makes it hard to place him on a scale... but I would place him right up there with Itachi.
 

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i agree with you if we discount the edos which ARE a part of one` arsenal and power IMO.with edo of hashirama alone he is in the top 6+3 more and he`s even higher XD

With Edo's only Kabuto surpasses him!

But I dislike 'em, they don't show us the badassery of the shinobi behind the jutsu! I would have perfered DSM Kabuto taking on a Kage or something instead of just fighting the Uchiha Bro's.

That, and. . Again. It's another characters power enhanced! Edo Tensei doesn't reflect ones power or increase it. It's calling your friends over to go all beat on one guy. Oh, and your friends are on steroids! That is Edo Tensei in a nut shell!
 

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With Edo's only Kabuto surpasses him!

But I dislike 'em, they don't show us the badassery of the shinobi behind the jutsu! I would have perfered DSM Kabuto taking on a Kage or something instead of just fighting the Uchiha Bro's.

That, and. . Again. It's another characters power enhanced! Edo Tensei doesn't reflect ones power or increase it. It's calling your friends over to go all beat on one guy. Oh, and your friends are on steroids! That is Edo Tensei in a nut shell!
yeah i know what you mean...using edos certainly isnt honorable XD
 

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yeah i know what you mean...using edos certainly isnt honorable XD

xD, yep! But when have Kabuto or Orochimaru cared about honor?! ..Question is.. How honorable is Tobirama if he invented the jutsu?!
 

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xD, yep! But when have Kabuto or Orochimaru cared about honor?! ..Question is.. How honorable is Tobirama if he invented the jutsu?!

haha true,it`s easy to be a badass when you have a couple of edo friends to back you up XD
 

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pretty high up. I like orochimaru
 
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