[Discussion] where do u rate these guys

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

reason why im asking this is because these characters seem to be sometimes overpowered as hell and then other times outclassed or normal level. their power fluctuates and idk where to rank them. its obv they r over VA but r they admiral or close to it if close to it how close and what would yall name this category. because of marco performance in war he showed to be on the level of admirals but weaker.. at least to be able to his own.. so i think the name for a rank in between admiral and VA should simply be Yonko FM (first mate): somewhat weaker then admirals but able to hold their own against them for long periods of time. if u put ppl in this category do u put them on marco level or lower but still in same category ???
doffy?

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pros: he no diffed smoker whos a decent vice admiral and has been fighting really well this arc and showed during this chapter that his birdcage can hold a top tier and a whole bunch of mid tiers all together... hes really fast and seems to master 2 types of haki and his parasite is boss as ****. beat luffy and law together and separated
has awakened his devil fruit true potential clashed with fuji. tanked gamma knife as well as gear four attacks..
hes also one of the few ppl (i believe only him and whitebeard so far) to break out of akoiji ice no problems rather then just being frozen neg diff..
cons: he ran away from akoiji (tho to be fair he was looking for luffy and law... also ppl tend to derate him for this yet praise blackbeard whos whole squad got neg diff by sengoku and ran away from akainu as well...) gear four was it seemed at first was completely outclassing him (tho debatable because it also seems like he was analyzing luffy actions and movements)

sabo?

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Pros: has the hype surrounding him about being # 2 in rev army. shown to be a bushido haki beast, really fast neg diff a vice admiral (bisal i think his name was) attained flame flame fruit so eventually he will learn how to mix his logia intangibility with haki (similar to akainu but he doesnt have tht yet). impressive in colosseum. and currently fighting burgess with it seems upperhand (landed hits) clashed pretty impressivly with an admiral

cons: not enough feats from him (tho debatable to ppl because hes #2 in rev army so if hes weak then the rev army would have been gone long ago .. thats ppls arguement)
also his hype ppl poorly overrate him as well as underrate him (due to the idiots that overrate him really marco how can he be over him). Oda similar to zoro has not let him look bad or get injured (bar fuji) so it makes it more hard to rate him
tho clashed with fuji got outclassed when fuji went a little bit serious


Fuji?

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Pros: hype admiral. clashed with doffy. clashed with zoro (won). completely overwhelmed both doffy and law together (metors). overpowering devil fruit. overpowered law to point he couldn't move (tho law was injured). overpowered sabo

cons : his powers seem to fluctuate from being op to normal.. hard to rate . recent chapter was unable to haki slash his way from opening the birdcage, tho was able to push it bac (note not on his own but with a whole army of ppl). despite being an admiral and having a strong sense of justice (like akainu) unlike akainu for what ever reason is deciding not to stop this crazy ness doffy is doing and saving the innocent whom he states he cares about so much. also not enough feats

ivankov

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Pros: really amazing devil fruit and greats stamina . took poison and magma to face with little to no damage
did really well in war. battle kuma no problem (tho robot)

cons: outclassed by mellgalan and akainu (tho mellgalan outclassed black beard entire crew before shelliew)
with sabo now shown ppl rate him inferior due to sabo being # 2. also a lot of ppl overlook sanji and out of main 3 their tutors (mihawk and raeighlee ivankov by hype is less impressive)

Mellgalan ?

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Pros: strong as devil fruit. beat luffy a lot, soloed blackbeard crew. good hype and head jailer in impel down

cons: dnt know if he has haki. has the runs all the time.


marco?

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pros: one of most Op devil fruits did amazing in war. made kizaru resort to dirty tactic ( sea stone cuffs)held his own against all admirals

cons: ppl think hes weak idk why maybe cuz of blackbeard taking whitebeard land idk. even tho held his own with admirals shown to be weaker then them
got really outclassed by akainu haki despite having backup of vista....


Law (full powered)

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Pros: beat vergo. shambled the hell out of the snot dude. took on both fuji and doffy alone for a long period of time. saved sanji. created bigg as rooms. can create invisible rooms. stamina beast. really smart. mid diff smoker. critically injured doffy. overpowered ass devil fruit. pretty fast blocked overheat. pretty good haki. reacted to gear 2 and was able to create a room faster then it to hit doffy. somewhat combat doffy

Cons: beaten by doffy number of times. outspeed by vergo (tho the later was squeezing heart). overpowered by fuji gravity. stamina drains him really fast... etc.

 

[Hexuze]

All of them are below God Usopp so who cares.

I feel Fujitora may be underrated with this week's chapter, the rest are close to admiral level with the exception of Ivankov/Law/Marco. Marco is at admiral level after the TS IMO.

 

[loj]

My man Sabo
My bro Law

rest below them

 

[-Akuma-]

Fuji>Sabo>Marco>DD>Magellan>Iva

 

[Hexuze]

Fuji>Sabo>Marco>DD>Magellan>Iva

From the feats we've seen so far, it's likely for DD to be stronger than Sabo. I don't even think he's stronger than Marco either, post-TS at least.

 

[-Akuma-]

From the feats we've seen so far, it's likely for DD to be stronger than Sabo. I don't even think he's stronger than Marco either, post-TS at least.

Portrayal put Sabo before he are the DF above Luffy who's seems slightly stronger than DD. As for Marco him and Sabo both can fight Top Tiers for an extended period of time but Marco seems lacking offensively.

 

[Bogard]

Fujitora ~ Marco > Sabo > Doflamingo > Magellan ~ Law > Ivankov

 

[MickNerks]

Clearly all the people you named are far stronger than Vice Admirals.

Id just like to point out once again though that Ivankov was the ONLY person to escape Impel Down when ever he pleased, without aid from his devil fruit as he was wearing sea stone cuffs. He also has ridiculous durability and stamina and has never been shown to take any fight seriously (except kuma which wasnt a challenge for him). He escaped the war without a scratch and is the only person to tank Megellan's poison with no help.

From portrayals he is still far stronger than current sanji, and he could possibly be alot stronger than Vergo (based off sanji vs vergo). We dont have any new battle feats from Ivankov but im sure his strength will be displayed more clearly in the new world. Its extremely reasonable to believe that since Ivankov and Kuma were dragons top staff before sabo, that ivankov has armandment haki also which will be shown later.

But everything Im saying is mere speculation until we actually see him fight again. But definitely i would say he is far above vice admiral level.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Clearly all the people you named are far stronger than Vice Admirals.

Id just like to point out once again though that Ivankov was the ONLY person to escape Impel Down when ever he pleased, without aid from his devil fruit as he was wearing sea stone cuffs. He also has ridiculous durability and stamina and has never been shown to take any fight seriously (except kuma which wasnt a challenge for him). He escaped the war without a scratch and is the only person to tank Megellan's poison with no help.

From portrayals he is still far stronger than current sanji, and he could possibly be alot stronger than Vergo (based off sanji vs vergo). We dont have any new battle feats from Ivankov but im sure his strength will be displayed more clearly in the new world. Its extremely reasonable to believe that since Ivankov and Kuma were dragons top staff before sabo, that ivankov has armandment haki also which will be shown later.

But everything Im saying is mere speculation until we actually see him fight again. But definitely i would say he is far above vice admiral level.

i agree hes grossly underratted i cant wait to see him fight but where would u rank him at the yonko first mate level do u think hes strong enough??

Fujitora ~ Marco > Sabo > Doflamingo > Magellan ~ Law > Ivankov

ok but how do u rate them not rank them in order

Portrayal put Sabo before he are the DF above Luffy who's seems slightly stronger than DD. As for Marco him and Sabo both can fight Top Tiers for an extended period of time but Marco seems lacking offensively.

how in what world is luffy stronger then a full powered dd??? it took the likes of both law and luffy to put doffy to where he is and still he has the upperhand seeing as luffy needs other ppl to protect him while he recharges?????? doffy hasnt stopped at all and is still going ..... even with gear four he wasnt able to take out doffy.. even with his organs ripped ppl think he healad from it ... no all he did is keep them intact he hasnt repaired them.

Fuji>Sabo>Marco>DD>Magellan>Iva

ok but how do u rate them not rank them in order

 

[Bogard]

ok but how do u rate them not rank them in order

Doflamingo lacks observation haki and some other basics i think. Either way

Difficulty sytem

- Power level range from 100 to 0
- Difficulties are stomp, low, mid, high, very high and extreme
- The difference between 2 nearby level of difficulties is 5points. Ex: A=100, B=95, C=94 means B would push A to extreme when C would push A to very high while pushing B to extreme
- There is a range within the difficulties. For example for the low difficulty, you have low(low) diff, low(mid) diff, low(high) diff...

If Fujitora = 100

- Marco is between 98 and 100
- Sabo = 88
- Doflamingo = 75
- Law = 60
- Magellan is between 56 and 64
- Ivankov is between 36 and 41

 

[Wretched]

Fuji>doffy>sabo=marco>magellan>iva

 

[-Akuma-]

how in what world is luffy stronger then a full powered dd??? it took the likes of both law and luffy to put doffy to where he is and still he has the upperhand seeing as luffy needs other ppl to protect him while he recharges?????? doffy hasnt stopped at all and is still going ..... even with gear four he wasnt able to take out doffy.. even with his organs ripped ppl think he healad from it ... no all he did is keep them intact he hasnt repaired them.

G4 was dominated DD so I compensated for that by saying he's barley stronger, Luffy in G4 is stronger than DD.

 

[MickNerks]

i agree hes grossly underratted i cant wait to see him fight but where would u rank him at the yonko first mate level do u think hes strong enough??

Once again I will say that Ivankov was 2nd in command of the revolutionary army BEFORE sabo joined. So if we all assume that dragon is yonko level which most here do assume then for Ivankov and Kuma to be such high ranking officers would suggest that they are far closer to admiral level then what people assume.

Though Ivankov didnt have any manga panels of her fighting an admiral during the war, he did receive feats from the anime that showed him tanking a direct punch to the face from akainu (something that killed ace and severely burned jimbe) and was able to get up and laugh it off. Because ivankov makes gags out of most of her battles it has cause the majority to not take him seriously and think he is weak. Thought manga has made multiple statements about Ivankov that contradict that.

• It has been
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  ,and Ivankov has stated she is stronger than crocodile.
• Ivankov shared that Bartholomew Kuma also
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Doflamingo lacks observation haki and some other basics i think. Either way

Difficulty sytem

- Power level range from 100 to 0
- Difficulties are stomp, low, mid, high, very high and extreme
- The difference between 2 nearby level of difficulties is 5points. Ex: A=100, B=95, C=94 means B would push A to extreme when C would push A to very high while pushing B to extreme
- There is a range within the difficulties. For example for the low difficulty, you have low(low) diff, low(mid) diff, low(high) diff...

If Fujitora = 100

- Marco is between 98 and 100
- Sabo = 88
- Doflamingo = 75
- Law = 60
- Magellan is between 56 and 64
- Ivankov is between 36 and 41

In my opinion Ivankov is too low.. Just my opinion though. Megellan shouldnt be 20 points higher than ivankov

 

[kageking]

I think fujitora is a bit weaker than the 3 pre ts admirals. I'd put him and mingo in the same power bracket but give Mingo the edge 1v1.
Sabo for me goes a level above those two (an admiral levels but weaker than akainu) When he masters the mera mera, with his haki, he could go to to toe with anyone.
Ivankov goes on the same tier as Doffy and Fuji for me.
Marco is Admiral tier and could trade blows with any top tier fighter.
Law is a curious one because he seems to be pretty weak (relative to the names in this thread) in hand to hand combat. He got dusted by Vergo and Mingo in physical combat and he relies heavily on his (incredibly hax) df powers. His strength is the most situational as he appears to be more of a cerebral fighter than a brawler. If an enemy gets the jump on him he can be out of commission swiftly, but he is capable of doing the same if the tables are turned. If he isn't given the time he needs to use his ability he can be shut down hard as we've seen doflamingo do yo him this whole arc. For these reasons Law doesn't fit so neatly into any ranking. There's a lot of matchups hed lose 1v1, but if he has any tactical advantage beforehand, it's more than likely he will win due to the op nature of his powers usually leaving his opponents with no means of retaliation. People who beat Law would be people with stronger Haki than he can cut(vergo used to be...we saw what happened when that stopped being the case!), people who are too fast to get caught in room. I'd say most Admirals and yonkous would fall into one or both of those categories so I'd put law below those levels. Probably in the same level as Mingo.

 

[bajram]

U cant give an definitive answer to how strong are the first 3 characters u listed i,e Doffy, Fuji and Sabo.

Im saying this because the recent actions and almost anything that happened in this arc were not enough to how their powers and especially the admiral who seems to not even try at all due to his own beliefs and his motives to the sichibukai system, its actually sad how Oda has given the power levels the back seat and decided to focus too much on the plot and other things, this arc is meant to make for Luffy a strong enough army/allies to take on the yonkos so that's why sadly someone like Sai or Elizabello gets more panel time then fuji, fujitora here was used as a plot device nothing more or less so judging the guys powers based on this arc isnt fair at all, the guy isnt even trying.

So long story short this is how I would rate these characters:

Fujitora 100
Marco 97
Sabo 93
Doflamingo 85
Law 77
Magellan 71
Ivankov 62

2-5 points = high diff
6-9 points = mid diff
10-15 points = low diff
15-... = neg diff/stomp

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Fujitora
Marco
DD
Sabo
Law
Iva
Magellan

Can't give any admiral/VA level placements because those levels are way too unstable and quite frankly, doesn't exist.

 

[MickNerks]

U cant give an definitive answer to how strong are the first 3 characters u listed i,e Doffy, Fuji and Sabo.

Im saying this because the recent actions and almost anything that happened in this arc were not enough to how their powers and especially the admiral who seems to not even try at all due to his own beliefs and his motives to the sichibukai system, its actually sad how Oda has given the power levels the back seat and decided to focus too much on the plot and other things, this arc is meant to make for Luffy a strong enough army/allies to take on the yonkos so that's why sadly someone like Sai or Elizabello gets more panel time then fuji, fujitora here was used as a plot device nothing more or less so judging the guys powers based on this arc isnt fair at all, the guy isnt even trying.

So long story short this is how I would rate these characters:

Fujitora 100
Marco 97
Sabo 93
Doflamingo 85
Law 77
Magellan 71
Ivankov 62

2-5 points = high diff
6-9 points = mid diff
10-15 points = low diff
15-... = neg diff/stomp

Your scaling has to be wrong because by your metrics:

• Marco could Low Diff Doffy
• Sabo would Stomp Law
• Law could Low diff Ivankov

All of these assumptions are unjustified and can be easily contradicted by the Manga

 

[Anduril]

Post skip Marco
Fujitora
Sabo
Doffy = Pre-skip Marco
Ivankov = Magellan = Law.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Fujitora
Marco
DD
Sabo
Law
Iva
Magellan

Can't give any admiral/VA level placements because those levels are way too unstable and quite frankly, doesn't exist.

Why is Ivankov above Magellan? Didn't Magellan beat him?

 

[Anduril]

Why is Ivankov above Magellan? Didn't Magellan beat him?

He tried to hold Magellan back, was not successful.