[Discussion] When luffy defeats big mom

[Rikudou Tobi]

@Bold: Here your first post directly implies that he'll need the voice of all things to beat a yonkou in a one on one fight? A non-combative ability. You've said nothing about experience or statement of time which I never stated a time either, you just said that he needs to improve and awaken/gain the voice of all things to beat a yonkou (in a future battle) which is ridiculous xD

This just tells me that you were speculating (like I said before) rather than asking to better understand what I was implying in the first place.
Gaining a stronger Kings Haki comes with growth just like Rayleigh said so that part was your undoing. You should've known that it requires time, I don't need to tell you the details to everything.
You do not know that "The voice of all things" cannot be used in combat, so that's another assumption you made.

Read what I put, I never directly stated he beat Big Mom otherwise it would read "when Roger beat Big Mom," I was implying if and when he EVER beat her... Seriously. Don't go calling people illiterate when you write the way you do. I get that English probably isn't your first spoken language, but that doesn't mean you can go around telling people they're wrong in their own native language.

Boy don't even start when it comes to your

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so let's just keep that out of this.
Now if you actually learned how to read properly you would've known that "Fairly certain having that ability isn't the reason Rogers EVER beat Big mom" means that Rogers beating big mom has nothing to do with that particular ability but he still beat Big mam using other means, all just because you said/typed "ever."
And next time put "why" after "reason" to make your statement a lot more coherent you grammar nazi

I'm not saying your stating manga facts, I know you're speculating, just that your thought process is stupid on some parts. I consistently see yourself and a few others just spouting nonsense and assumptions that are just blatantly incorrect.

The only thing stupid is your speculation and your shit grammar. If you knew I was talking about my opinion, you wouldn't be retarded enough to argue with me about my opinion in the first place. Opinions are neither right nor wrong, and considering the fact that what I stated is the only possible power ups for Luffy to achieve, you would have to be a complete dumbass to think that my idea is stupid in the first place.

You did state that Raizo (implying the upcoming Wano arc) would help Luffy with both his Conquerors and Armanant haki, but how? What could Raizo teach him that Rayleigh couldn't? Further, do you believe that Raizo has the kings deposition then? Othewise how would he aid in this??

Spouting more senseless nonsense because you have a strong habit of assuming stupid shit. I said that Raizo can help, I didn't say that he will. Raizo can teach luffy some type of mental focus empowerment that could aid in Luffy's Supreme Haki through some unorthodox way. It's my opinion, you have no idea what Wano has to offer Luffy and the crew.
And the fact that I said that Luffy would not gain voice of all things and awakening in Wano makes it obvious that I wasn't implying that Luffy will gain all these abilities in the next arc:

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So you're being stupid once again.

 

[Easyfathom]

This just tells me that you were speculating (like I said before) rather than asking to better understand what I was implying in the first place.
Gaining a stronger Kings Haki comes with growth just like Rayleigh said so that part was your undoing. You should've known that it requires time, I don't need to tell you the details to everything.
You do not know that "The voice of all things" cannot be used in combat, so that's another assumption you made.


Boy don't even start when it comes to your

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so let's just keep that out of this.
Now if you actually learned how to read properly you would've known that "Fairly certain having that ability isn't the reason Rogers EVER beat Big mom" means that Rogers beating big mom has nothing to do with that particular ability but he still beat Big mam using other means, all just because you said/typed "ever."
And next time put "why" after "reason" to make your statement a lot more coherent you grammar nazi


The only thing stupid is your speculation and your shit grammar. If you knew I was talking about my opinion, you wouldn't be retarded enough to argue with me about my opinion in the first place. Opinions are neither right nor wrong, and considering the fact that what I stated is the only possible power ups for Luffy to achieve, you would have to be a complete dumbass to think that my idea is stupid in the first place.

Spouting more senseless nonsense because you have a strong habit of assuming stupid shit. I said that Raizo can help, I didn't say that he will. Raizo can teach luffy some type of mental focus empowerment that could aid in Luffy's Supreme Haki through some unorthodox way. It's my opinion, you have no idea what Wano has to offer Luffy and the crew.
And the fact that I said that Luffy would not gain voice of all things and awakening in Wano makes it obvious that I wasn't implying that Luffy will gain all these abilities in the next arc:

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So you're being stupid once again.

I'm not speculating. You literally stated that the ability "voice of all things" would be needed to beat a yonkou in a 1 on 1. Which is just down right stupid. Not saying that at some point in the story someone might find a minute use of it in a battle somewhere, but for it to be necessary to beat a yonkou? come on. Ridiculous. And that's not speculation, you literally stated it was needed.\
The opinion the world is flat is just down right stupid, but because it's someones opinion it's not wrong? Please. There are quite clearly opinions on a matter and then right and wrongs. The power-ups you mentioned are perfectly feasible for the story to progress, but the fact is that you said the voice of all things is necessary to take out a Yonkou and that Raizo will help Luffy develop his Kings haki further.... These are opinions that are as stupid as someone thinking the world is flat. This is where my problem is and you have yet to acknowledge how ridiculous these statements are or state why they are not.

The rest I don't really care for especially since the moment I read "Supreme Haki," which is what I've seen you do, you just make up abilities and tiers for characters. Talk about ya senseless nonsense.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm not speculating. You literally stated that the ability "voice of all things" would be needed to beat a yonkou in a 1 on 1. Which is just down right stupid. Not saying that at some point in the story someone might find a minute use of it in a battle somewhere, but for it to be necessary to beat a yonkou? come on. Ridiculous. And that's not speculation, you literally stated it was needed.\
The opinion the world is flat is just down right stupid, but because it's someones opinion it's not wrong? Please. There are quite clearly opinions on a matter and then right and wrongs. The power-ups you mentioned are perfectly feasible for the story to progress, but the fact is that you said the voice of all things is necessary to take out a Yonkou and that Raizo will help Luffy develop his Kings haki further.... These are opinions that are as stupid as someone thinking the world is flat. This is where my problem is and you have yet to acknowledge how ridiculous these statements are or state why they are not.

The rest I don't really care for especially since the moment I read "Supreme Haki," which is what I've seen you do, you just make up abilities and tiers for characters. Talk about ya senseless nonsense.

You're stupid to think that luffy would not need the voices of all things to beat a yonkou (because they aren't going to just hand him the red poneglyph) .
You're stupid to think that Raizo or any other samurai in Wano wouldn't help luffy to get stronger
and you're stupid to think that having a valid opinion is the same as flat eathers when it's already been scientifically proven that the world is round. The manga hasn't proved that Raizo/Wano people would not train or help Luffy, and considering the threat they are about to face such as the Shogun, you would be stupid to think that Luffy will not get any training from the people in Wano.

 

[Big Mom]

You're stupid to think that luffy would not need the voices of all things to beat a yonkou (because they aren't going to just hand him the red poneglyph) .
You're stupid to think that Raizo or any other samurai in Wano wouldn't help luffy to get stronger
and you're stupid to think that having a valid opinion is the same as flat eathers when it's already been scientifically proven that the world is round. The manga hasn't proved that Raizo/Wano people would not train or help Luffy, and considering the threat they are about to face such as the Shogun, you would be stupid to think that Luffy will not get any training from the people in Wano.

Mohawk> shogun so he really isn't all that great

He's definitely not above first commander and I can say that positively without ever seeing him.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Mohawk> shogun so he really isn't all that great

He's definitely not above first commander and I can say that positively without ever seeing him.

I agree

 

[Easyfathom]

You're stupid to think that luffy would not need the voices of all things to beat a yonkou (because they aren't going to just hand him the red poneglyph) .
You're stupid to think that Raizo or any other samurai in Wano wouldn't help luffy to get stronger
and you're stupid to think that having a valid opinion is the same as flat eathers when it's already been scientifically proven that the world is round. The manga hasn't proved that Raizo/Wano people would not train or help Luffy, and considering the threat they are about to face such as the Shogun, you would be stupid to think that Luffy will not get any training from the people in Wano.

You said in a 1 v 1... I even said in my previous post that I think he'll use it to take Kaido's road poneglyph. But you said he would need it to beat a yonkou in a one on one. Why is that? Why does Luffy need the ability the voice of all things to beat a yonkou one on one? Because that's what you stated.

I never said they wouldn't help him get stronger... I just don't / can't think of a way that they can. He doesn't use a sword and he doesn't need help on developing his haki. Rayleigh taught him everything he needs to know, this is indicated by the fact that he didn't stay with him for the whole 2 years. And from now on he just needs to develop the colours of haki himself, through training and battles.
Granted you just mentioned in your previous post that he could learn some spiritual enlightening stuff, which fair enough, he might... But does that really fit Luffy's style? To sit meditating to enlighten his spiritualness? Not to me, think there's already enough spiritualness surrounding him.
But that doesn't take away the fact that you also stated that Raizo would help him with his Kings haki, I'm still waiting on a sensible reply to how he would do that? As you stated he would.