[Discussion] When luffy defeats big mom

[Big Mom]

Since luffy plans on escaping, and going to defeat Kaito first. Then come back for big mom, I'm thinking it will be a one on one?

Right now he would need help to beat big mom, and against Kaido I'm sure we're all predicting he is going to need help. Kaido is stronger than big mom though, so perhaps he will fight Kaido with help, get stronger, and then he will fight big mom one on one to officially say he's "yonko tier"

Basically luffy will have a harder time going against big mom one on one than he will fighting Kaido going three on one

What do you guys think?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I remember Luffy having the "fleet" on his side but if Luffy doesn't improve his buso/kings haki, awaken, and gain the voices of all things then he ain't beating no yonkou in a one on one fight.
When Roger's confronted Linlin he had voices of all things.

 

[Big Mom]

I remember Luffy having the "fleet" on his side but if Luffy doesn't improve his buso/kings haki, awaken, and gain the voices of all things then he ain't beating no yonkou in a one on one fight.
When Roger's confronted Linlin he had voices of all things.

Do you think he could possibly acquire that while fighting kaido?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Do you think he could possibly acquire that while fighting kaido?

I think in a samurai country with a ninja like Raizo being in their could greatly help Luffy's Kings haki and Buso Haki mostly (Zoro too) but to Awaken I highly doubt it. Maybe they'll be Scooper along the way because their was a little cameo of him with Wano country attire.

He's not gonna gain voices of all things in Wano, it might be too soon.

 

[Uverdore9]

Luffy'd need his crew for touching Kaido even.

No way he's soloing that shit.

 

[Askeladd]

Luffy'd need his crew for touching Kaido even.

No way he's soloing that shit.

Zoro alone is enough and that wouldn't surprise me if Zoro already solo'd Kaido, he is the G.O.A.T after all.

 

[Greatness23]

In comparison to everybody else, he still hasn't mastered Haki yet. Luffy's gonna be dangerous

 

[Big Mom]

Luffy'd need his crew for touching Kaido even.

No way he's soloing that shit.

Of course he will need help for kaido, but isn't kaido stronger than big mom? Yes he is, so luffy won't need as many people to beat big mom as he will need to beat kaido.

Now if luffy gets stronger fighting kaido (he's already first commander level, how much stronger can he get before he's yonko level? Blackbeards haki isn't anything compared to luffy)

So if he gets stronger fighting kaido and continues to grow from the time he fights kaido to the time he fights big mom again, you don't think he will be strong enough by then to beat her one on one extreme diff (like with dogtooth). To claim his spot as yonko level

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

There isn't going to be another BM arc. Someone else is gonna off her.

 

[Big Mom]

There isn't going to be another BM arc. Someone else is gonna off her.

I think this is likely, but after luffy destroying caramels picture, and telling both dogtooth and big mom he will be back... oda didn't make him say those things for nothing.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I think this is likely, but after luffy destroying caramels picture, and telling both dogtooth and big mom he will be back... oda didn't make him say those things for nothing.

Luffy also said that he'd save Ace.

 

[Big Mom]

Luffy also said that he'd save Ace.

...... :'( right in the feels

 

[chopstickchakra]

Luffy also said that he'd save Ace.

Luffy did save Ace though, Ace then sacrificed that life, that was beyond Luffy' control.

OT: Not that Oars and Kaidou are the same level but I think it should be considered that the SH's teamwork allowed them to get the better of Oars and that was pre-skip. I don't think we should make light of how strong the crew is all together.

 

[Easyfathom]

I remember Luffy having the "fleet" on his side but if Luffy doesn't improve his buso/kings haki, awaken, and gain the voices of all things then he ain't beating no yonkou in a one on one fight.
When Roger's confronted Linlin he had voices of all things.

I think in a samurai country with a ninja like Raizo being in their could greatly help Luffy's Kings haki and Buso Haki mostly (Zoro too) but to Awaken I highly doubt it. Maybe they'll be Scooper along the way because their was a little cameo of him with Wano country attire.

He's not gonna gain voices of all things in Wano, it might be too soon.

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? awaken and gain the voice of all things? and that that's necessary to beat a yonkou?

Fairly certain having that ability isn't the reason Roger ever beat Big Mom and that it was just used to read the road poneglyphs... How would you even use that in a fight? Hide behind some tree and ask it to scout for you? haha! Not to mention Luffy has already displayed this ability and that he's awoken it. It's an innate ability that's not used for fighting, certainly not necessary for beating chracters.

And Samurai Raizo? How on Earth is he going to help Luffy develop Conquerors? I'd assume only people was the ability would be of any help and Rayleigh already taught him all the basics, Luffy just needs to work on it further himself now. As for his awakening, who else in his lifetime has used the gomu-gomu no mi? Considering the last person who last used has to die for Luffy to then get the fruit makes it impossible for anyone alive to help him awaken his ability. If I were to guess, now that he knows it's possible, he'll awaken it naturally and probably without even being aware of it.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? awaken and gain the voice of all things? and that that's necessary to beat a yonkou?

Fairly certain having that ability isn't the reason Roger ever beat Big Mom and that it was just used to read the road poneglyphs... How would you even use that in a fight? Hide behind some tree and ask it to scout for you? haha! Not to mention Luffy has already displayed this ability and that he's awoken it. It's an innate ability that's not used for fighting, certainly not necessary for beating chracters.

And Samurai Raizo? How on Earth is he going to help Luffy develop Conquerors? I'd assume only people was the ability would be of any help and Rayleigh already taught him all the basics, Luffy just needs to work on it further himself now. As for his awakening, who else in his lifetime has used the gomu-gomu no mi? Considering the last person who last used has to die for Luffy to then get the fruit makes it impossible for anyone alive to help him awaken his ability. If I were to guess, now that he knows it's possible, he'll awaken it naturally and probably without even being aware of it.

Rogers never beat big Mom as far as we know and I didn’t say that those things listed were necessary to beat a yonkou you illiterate fool. :|
Luffy needs a great deal of expierence and I think it’s too early for him to fight a yonkou. Oda said that people are not going to be pleased at the way Luffy would take on the yonkous so obviously you know they’ll get by through conventional means instead of brute force.

Instead of being an asshole and laughing about something you misunderstood, why don’t you ask of what I was implying in the first place?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

IMO the arc will take place in Elbaf for obvious reasons and it will be Luffy who will do the majority damage but one of the giants(Hajrudin most likely) will take her out/deal the "killing" blow...

 

[Big Mom]

IMO the arc will take place in Elbaf for obvious reasons and it will be Luffy who will do the majority damage but one of the giants(Hajrudin most likely) will take her out/deal the "killing" blow...

That would be cool tbh

 

[Easyfathom]

I remember Luffy having the "fleet" on his side but if Luffy doesn't improve his buso/kings haki, awaken, and gain the voices of all things then he ain't beating no yonkou in a one on one fight.
When Roger's confronted Linlin he had voices of all things.

Rogers never beat big Mom as far as we know and I didn’t say that those things listed were necessary to beat a yonkou you illiterate fool. :|
Luffy needs a great deal of expierence and I think it’s too early for him to fight a yonkou. Oda said that people are not going to be pleased at the way Luffy would take on the yonkous so obviously you know they’ll get by through conventional means instead of brute force.

Instead of being an asshole and laughing about something you misunderstood, why don’t you ask of what I was implying in the first place?

You literally just listed of a bunch of things and said if he doesn't do said list, he isn't going to be beating a yonkou? :yeah: Illiterate was it?

I wasn't implying Roger has beat her, he may or may not have, just saying the only thing that he used the voice of all things for (as far as we know) was to read her road poneglyphs... And as they have those, it isn't necessary. Although it'd be cool if that's how he got Kaido's.

You then went on to say Raizo, a samurai ninja person character, who really shouldn't have Conquerors haki, will help Luffy develop his Conquerors haki further? I don't think I'm misunderstanding anything here, you're speaking rubbish.

However I am in full support and hope that they do meet up with Scopper, literally just read through sabaondy because of your linked pages in that other thread and I just loved their interactions with Rayliegh and learning about the past.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You literally just listed of a bunch of things and said if he doesn't do said list, he isn't going to be beating a yonkou? :yeah: Illiterate was it?

Yes, very illiterate considering the fact that some of these power ups comes with

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, and growth takes time to develop.

I wasn't implying Roger has beat her, he may or may not have, just saying the only thing that he used the voice of all things for (as far as we know) was to read her road poneglyphs... And as they have those, it isn't necessary. Although it'd be cool if that's how he got Kaido's.

Now you're just speaking rubbish

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You then went on to say Raizo, a samurai ninja person character, who really shouldn't have Conquerors haki, will help Luffy develop his Conquerors haki further? I don't think I'm misunderstanding anything here, you're speaking rubbish.

No, you're just typing nonsense. I said that "I think" these following events would happen. I'm just speculating that Luffy will grow even further in the Wano country because of the generic portrayal of what Samurais and Ninjas in the manga concept.
I never claimed anythings to be a fact and we don't know what Raizo is capable of either.
Funny thing is that I never stated when Luffy will require all these power ups and given the fact that I said that he wouldn't gain it in Wano should already implicate that it's not going to happen in the up and coming arc imo.

However I am in full support and hope that they do meet up with Scopper, literally just read through sabaondy because of your linked pages in that other thread and I just loved their interactions with Rayliegh and learning about the past.

OKay

 

[Easyfathom]

I remember Luffy having the "fleet" on his side but if Luffy doesn't improve his buso/kings haki, awaken, and gain the voices of all things then he ain't beating no yonkou in a one on one fight.
When Roger's confronted Linlin he had voices of all things.

Yes, very illiterate considering the fact that some of these power ups comes with

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, and growth takes time to develop.


Now you're just speaking rubbish

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No, you're just typing nonsense. I said that "I think" these following events would happen. I'm just speculating that Luffy will grow even further in the Wano country because of the generic portrayal of what Samurais and Ninjas in the manga concept.
I never claimed anythings to be a fact and we don't know what Raizo is capable of either.
Funny thing is that I never stated when Luffy will require all these power ups and given the fact that I said that he wouldn't gain it in Wano should already implicate that it's not going to happen in the up and coming arc imo.

OKay

@Bold: Here your first post directly implies that he'll need the voice of all things to beat a yonkou in a one on one fight? A non-combative ability. You've said nothing about experience or statement of time which I never stated a time either, you just said that he needs to improve and awaken/gain the voice of all things to beat a yonkou (in a future battle) which is ridiculous xD

Read what I put, I never directly stated he beat Big Mom otherwise it would read "when Roger beat Big Mom," I was implying if and when he EVER beat her... Seriously. Don't go calling people illiterate when you write the way you do. I get that English probably isn't your first spoken language, but that doesn't mean you can go around telling people they're wrong in their own native language.

I'm not saying your stating manga facts, I know you're speculating, just that your thought process is stupid on some parts. I consistently see yourself and a few others just spouting nonsense and assumptions that are just blatantly incorrect.

You did state that Raizo (implying the upcoming Wano arc) would help Luffy with both his Conquerors and Armanant haki, but how? What could Raizo teach him that Rayleigh couldn't? Further, do you believe that Raizo has the kings deposition then? Othewise how would he aid in this??