When is it insane to revolt and not?

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Like if people complain about the system they can be accused of being crazy.

I'm not making it up look it up people used to define sickness as people complaining about authorities doing authority stuff.

But if people are protesting against some regime they don't like then people take their side and it's considered ok.

It's also considered healthy criticism to be very criticial and complain but sometimes it is considered insane to do that, like with the enviroment for example, being too critical and alarmed about it can be considered stupid while other people who like destroy people with criticism are considered to be smart.
 

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it really depends on how important what youre fighting against is and how extreme the revolt is

like for instance, i know many vegans and vegetarians, theyre revolting in a way against eating meat for various reasons. an insane way to take that, would be to run up in a bunch of Burger Kings with an AK and start leaving bodies of employees and people eating meat on the ground

while both can be revolting against animals being slaughtered. both are on different spectrums of extremity in justification for their beliefs. some revolutions require extreme action but in order for a large majority to not see anything wrong with that, the situation has to be pretty extreme in itself
 
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it really depends on how important what youre fighting against is and how extreme the revolt is

like for instance, i know many vegans and vegetarians, theyre revolting in a way against eating meat for various reasons. an insane way to take that, would be to run up in a bunch of Burger Kings with an AK and start leaving bodies of employees and people eating meat on the ground

while both can be revolting against animals being slaughtered. both are on different spectrums of extremity in justification for their beliefs. some revolutions require extreme action but in order for a large majority to not see anything wrong with that, the situation has to be pretty extreme in itself
When you feel the love for what you revolting for/against, it is never insane. At least I think so.
 

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When you feel the love for what you revolting for/against, it is never insane. At least I think so.
youre entitled to feel that way but id have to disagree. most people who are extremist have a deep love or passion for the cause. but even love like anything, can become toxic

like for instance, Hitler loved Germans, he loved them so much, that he thought they were better than others. he preached his love to others to motivate them to be fine with massacring millions of jews and try to become the most powerful country on earth, to signify their superiority over other races...

is this not insane? even though he had love for his people, his revolution was executed in an insane way. the extremity in which you revolt against something is what makes it insane, you can still be passionate and have love for the cause, but if youre expressing this in insane ways, that love becomes toxic and damaging
 
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youre entitled to feel that way but id have to disagree. most people who are extremist have a deep love or passion for the cause. but even love like anything, can become toxic

like for instance, Hitler loved Germans, he loved them so much, that he thought they were better than others. he preached his love to others to motivate them to be fine with massacring millions of jews and try to become the most powerful country on earth, to signify their superiority over other races...

is this not insane? even though he had love for his people, his revolution was executed in an insane way. the extremity in which you revolt against something is what makes it insane, you can still be passionate and have love for the cause, but if youre expressing this in insane ways, that love becomes toxic and damaging
So basically Hitler is loving kind man who only cared about his people. He did nothing wrong.
 
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Always. The act of revolting is always insane. No matter the size or length you are insane for trying to go against a system, person or people that all are pushing one agenda idea or belief. Logically speaking its quite dumb to try to overthrow something when there's a chance that you might face resistance and be putting something important to you on the line. The only time its not insane to revolt is when its insane to stay in the same condition. Like if you are going to die if you don't revolt, then, and only then is it not insane.
 
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it really depends on how important what youre fighting against is and how extreme the revolt is

like for instance, i know many vegans and vegetarians, theyre revolting in a way against eating meat for various reasons. an insane way to take that, would be to run up in a bunch of Burger Kings with an AK and start leaving bodies of employees and people eating meat on the ground

while both can be revolting against animals being slaughtered. both are on different spectrums of extremity in justification for their beliefs. some revolutions require extreme action but in order for a large majority to not see anything wrong with that, the situation has to be pretty extreme in itself
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Prior to the deportations, suggestions that Hitler had intentions even a FRACTION as fucked as the Holocaust resulted in Jewish people being ridiculed by other Jewish members of the same community. It doesn't really matter if those around you think you're insane imo, and this point extends into your actual question.

Let's just (falsely) say there's 3 sides to every issue. Supporters, centrists, and opponents. Now lets assume that the Opponents oppress the Supporters and think they're justified. No matter how hard the Opponents are screwing the Supporters, THEY WILL ALWAYS THINK THE SUPPORTERS ARE INSANE OR UNJUSTIFIED IF THEY REVOLT. They wouldn't be the Opponents if they didn't. Every issue has these opponents, thus every revolt would be insane. You have to throw Opponents out of the equation to ACTUALLY answer the question.
In your example about the environment, you'd have to throw the opinion of corporate dick suckers out the window because they are the Opponents. They'll always side with the money, and the money says that the environment is fair game. The Jewish scenario shows that the very first condition is acknowledging that there's a threat.

Next are the Centrists. They're a mixed bag and generally don't want to get involved, because it doesn't harm them personally. They can favor a side, but they're generally there to whine about both. No, they're never going to whine about the ultimate goals of the Opponents or the Supporters. The goal of the Opponents could be to wipe out the Supporters, and the goal of the Supporters could be to be considered equal, and NEITHER goal would be the Centrists' biggest concern. They'll instead whine about the methods, SPECIFICALLY the methods that affect them. Whhaaa, the Supporters clogged traffic while protesting. Or. Whhhaa, the government is taking some rights away from everyone, which includes ME, to defeat the Supporters. You must note that they don't give much of a shit. As far as this group is concerned, whether your revolt is considered insane or not depends largely on how your methods affect them.

Again, for your example about the environment. The Centrists create a second condition. Since they don't give a shit, you must either employ methods that don't affect them much(hint: there are VERY few) or the Opponents must be so hated that there's few Centrists. If there is an overwhelming amount of Centrists, the revolt will pretty much always be considered insane. If there's about as many centrists as there are supporters, MAYBE you could do something relatively minor like taxing plastic. I don't know. The point is that the methods you can take without being considered extreme increases as the amount of Centrists decrease... assuming they aren't siding with the Opponents.

 

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Prior to the deportations, suggestions that Hitler had intentions even a FRACTION as fucked as the Holocaust resulted in Jewish people being ridiculed by other Jewish members of the same community. It doesn't really matter if those around you think you're insane imo, and this point extends into your actual question.

Let's just (falsely) say there's 3 sides to every issue. Supporters, centrists, and opponents. Now lets assume that the Opponents oppress the Supporters and think they're justified. No matter how hard the Opponents are screwing the Supporters, THEY WILL ALWAYS THINK THE SUPPORTERS ARE INSANE OR UNJUSTIFIED IF THEY REVOLT. They wouldn't be the Opponents if they didn't. Every issue has these opponents, thus every revolt would be insane. You have to throw Opponents out of the equation to ACTUALLY answer the question.
In your example about the environment, you'd have to throw the opinion of corporate dick suckers out the window because they are the Opponents. They'll always side with the money, and the money says that the environment is fair game. The Jewish scenario shows that the very first condition is acknowledging that there's a threat.

Next are the Centrists. They're a mixed bag and generally don't want to get involved, because it doesn't harm them personally. They can favor a side, but they're generally there to whine about both. No, they're never going to whine about the ultimate goals of the Opponents or the Supporters. The goal of the Opponents could be to wipe out the Supporters, and the goal of the Supporters could be to be considered equal, and NEITHER goal would be the Centrists' biggest concern. They'll instead whine about the methods, SPECIFICALLY the methods that affect them. Whhaaa, the Supporters clogged traffic while protesting. Or. Whhhaa, the government is taking some rights away from everyone, which includes ME, to defeat the Supporters. You must note that they don't give much of a shit. As far as this group is concerned, whether your revolt is considered insane or not depends largely on how your methods affect them.

Again, for your example about the environment. The Centrists create a second condition. Since they don't give a shit, you must either employ methods that don't affect them much(hint: there are VERY few) or the Opponents must be so hated that there's few Centrists. If there is an overwhelming amount of Centrists, the revolt will pretty much always be considered insane. If there's about as many centrists as there are supporters, MAYBE you could do something relatively minor like taxing plastic. I don't know. The point is that the methods you can take without being considered extreme increases as the amount of Centrists decrease... assuming they aren't siding with the Opponents.

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youre entitled to feel that way but id have to disagree. most people who are extremist have a deep love or passion for the cause. but even love like anything, can become toxic

like for instance, Hitler loved Germans, he loved them so much, that he thought they were better than others. he preached his love to others to motivate them to be fine with massacring millions of jews and try to become the most powerful country on earth, to signify their superiority over other races...

is this not insane? even though he had love for his people, his revolution was executed in an insane way. the extremity in which you revolt against something is what makes it insane, you can still be passionate and have love for the cause, but if youre expressing this in insane ways, that love becomes toxic and damaging
I feel like no one read this correctly. So basically Hitler committed war crimes because his love for Germany was so great he became corrupt, correct?

There is much more to Hitlers corruption than that. Hitler suffered from a combination of Narcissism and Bi Polar, a chaotic combination without proper treatment. Hitler treated his Bi Polar with crystal meth injections that last for 24 hours. Now imaging his psycotic imagination or psycotic instincts getting amplified, fueling chaos and destruction behavior. In the year 1940 that is thrice as reckless as it is now.
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He just had bad genes the whole time
 
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I feel like no one read this correctly. So basically Hitler committed war crimes because his love for Germany was so great he became corrupt, correct?

There is much more to Hitlers corruption than that. Hitler suffered from a combination of Narcissism and Bi Polar, a chaotic combination without proper treatment. Hitler treated his Bi Polar with crystal meth injections that last for 24 hours. Now imaging his psycotic imagination or psycotic instincts getting amplified, fueling chaos and destruction behavior. In the year 1940 that is thrice as reckless as it is now.
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He just had bad genes the whole time
i didnt know about the meth thing, looked into it, turns out its true

but yeah that’s kind of my point. but more that his approach was insane even though it came from love. love for himself and his people, is how he touched others to be down for his revolution. gathering supporters and using that love they have, to twist it into superiority over others, is the heart of his revolution and is an example of love becoming toxic. but also to show that just because someone loves something to fuel their revolution, doesnt mean its sane like PaperBoiKonan was saying
 

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like for instance, Hitler loved Germans, he loved them so much, that he thought they were better than others. he preached his love to others to motivate them to be fine with massacring millions of jews and try to become the most powerful country on earth, to signify their superiority over other races.
That is not love. Also Hitler was motivated by the treaty of Versailles which indeed did put immense pressure on Germany, hitler on numerous occasions had immense hatred for the one's who accepted it (who were his own people). The other hatred specifically for the jews was during germany's inflation crisis, hitler couldn't conceptualize why the jews were at the platform they were. That contempt, coupled with his "superiority complex" is not love, it's simply madness, nothing more, nothing less.

Hitler was playing favoritism, not out of love, more out of duty. Love is formulated from understanding, Hitler if anything has shown the contrary, love isn't based on exclusion, It's an ubiquitous sentiment, Gilles Deleuze pointed out this hypocrisy, to exclude on the notion of incompatibility is madness.
 
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