[Discussion] When idealism cause you to lose touch with reality

[Yubel]

I've realized that the pursuit of our happiness and safety in an ideal society have made us blind to humanities nature. Our society is not structured in a way to include the agressive natures of humans, by commiting to a perfect society which no laws are broken we are essentially denying parts of ourselves which never works. This is why criminals exists and other evil or deranged people. It's our way of channeling the part of ourselves we were forced to deny that inevitably resurfaces. To try to make everyone fit in a world where not everyone is accepted will always create outcasts. To make a perfect society you would need to channel peoples agressive natures in a productive way instead of supressing them because you can't surpress a need. No time in history has there ever been an ideal society, everyone has lost touch with the reality of this dark side of humans or refuses to adress it.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

I've realized that the pursuit of our happiness and safety in an ideal society have made us blind to humanities nature. Our society is not structured in a way to include the agressive natures of humans, by commiting to a perfect society which no laws are broken we are essentially denying parts of ourselves which never works. This is why criminals exists and other evil or deranged people. It's our way of channeling the part of ourselves we were forced to deny that inevitably resurfaces. To try to make everyone fit in a world where not everyone is accepted will always create outcasts. To make a perfect society you would need to channel peoples agressive natures in a productive way instead of supressing them because you can't surpress a need. No time in history has there ever been an ideal society, everyone has lost touch with the reality of this dark side of humans or refuses to adress it.

Explain to me how you channel murderous and otherwise malevolent behaviors into something productive.

 

[Filosoofis]

I get that reference.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Go to the shooting range, hit the gym, learn martial arts etc. Channel your excess energy

But you seem to be the psycho animal killing type who would gradually transform into a pedophile serial killer.

 

[Math42]

I've realized that the pursuit of our happiness and safety in an ideal society have made us blind to humanities nature. Our society is not structured in a way to include the agressive natures of humans, by commiting to a perfect society which no laws are broken we are essentially denying parts of ourselves which never works. This is why criminals exists and other evil or deranged people. It's our way of channeling the part of ourselves we were forced to deny that inevitably resurfaces. To try to make everyone fit in a world where not everyone is accepted will always create outcasts. To make a perfect society you would need to channel peoples agressive natures in a productive way instead of supressing them because you can't surpress a need. No time in history has there ever been an ideal society, everyone has lost touch with the reality of this dark side of humans or refuses to adress it.

Well done! I partially agree however as the ideal society is one where the minority is no longer obliged to acquiesce due to the majority but rather all decisions are unanimous. Thy conclusion is quite similar to this.
But, as scientists believed that laughing evolved to promote social behavior, perchance as a society we can evolve to live sans malevolent intent?

 

[Math42]

Explain to me how you channel murderous and otherwise malevolent behaviors into something productive.

Former murders can acquire the position of executing criminals?

 

[Yubel]

Explain to me how you channel murderous and otherwise malevolent behaviors into something productive.

People have to gain independence from government, look at Switzerland who has the least crime rate in the world. Their serving military are merely trained citizens and everyone has their own responsibility to defend themselves and their family pretty much. Because of that there are almost no crimes there compared to the rest of the world, the situation created a stalemate of sorts. They turned their killing intent and agressive natures into a shield that protects their country and keeps everyone safe.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Former murders can acquire the position of executing criminals?

This was more the answer I was looking for. Interesting thought.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

People have to gain independence from government, look at Switzerland who has the least crime rate in the world. Their serving military are merely trained citizens and everyone has their own responsibility to defend themselves and their family pretty much. Because of that there are almost no crimes there compared to the rest of the world, the situation created a stalemate of sorts. They turned their killing intent and agressive natures into a shield that protects their country and keeps everyone safe.

...technically all of the world's military are just trained citizens, so I don't understand what that was supposed to mean...anyway, That doesn't really answer my question, at least, not well. Not everyone has aggressive behaviors. And even assuming they all had, if they weren't at war, being a part of the military wouldn't help much. If a system like you theorize existed, morality would become a myth. No right and wrong, just your version human nature. Which is animalistic at best.
If a person could kill another person without governmental or at least societal restraint, we'd be looking at the exact opposite of reduced crime rate. If by,"Human Nature," you mean instinct, than I feel with every fiber of my body that a great deal of our natures must be restrained for the betterment of human civilization as a whole. Such is the purpose of morality.

 

[Yubel]

...technically all of the world's military are just trained citizens, so I don't understand what that was supposed to mean...anyway, That doesn't really answer my question, at least, not well. Not everyone has aggressive behaviors. And even assuming they all had, if they weren't at war, being a part of the military wouldn't help much. If a system like you theorize existed, morality would become a myth. No right and wrong, just your version human nature. Which is animalistic at best.
If a person could kill another person without governmental or at least societal restraint, we'd be looking at the exact opposite of reduced crime rate. If by,"Human Nature," you mean instinct, than I feel with every fiber of my body that a great deal of our natures must be restrained for the betterment of human civilization as a whole. Such is the purpose of morality.

All men there must get military training for 3 years or so and at the end are given their own gun to keep in their home, every citizen is basically a trained military. I don't agree, I believe we all have agressive natures and when that is supressed those same instincts manifest in passive agressive ways. A society that supress human nature will never truly prosper.