When did sasuke learn all five elements

[Praydara]

What the real question is is when did Orochimaru and Kakashi learn all five elements? The databook shows that the two of them have all elements.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

The Scorch, Blaze, Magnet, Explosion and Crystal elements don't make sense in the image.

Scorch= Fire+Wind
Explosion= Earth +lightning
Crystal=Earth+Wind

I always assumed that blaze was enhanced fire style

 

[Torche]

he never learned them.

and stop it w/ the BS ''potential'' apologetics.
the elements listing in the databook and its inconsistent fanservice has no meaning; everyone can potentially learn all 5 elements

Lml. Those with the Rinnegan can use all of the element. Therefore, he does, in fact, have the potential to use them. Get those jimmies un-rustled, son. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[BLAZE]

Lml. Those with the Rinnegan can use all of the element. Therefore, he does, in fact, have the potential to use them. Get those jimmies un-rustled, son. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

He is Data Book hater lol

 

[Torche]

He is Data Book hater lol

I didn't use the Databook in my post, it's mangafact that those with the Rinnegan can use all of the elements. Lol But, hurr-durr, na ah. XD

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

Right when he got his Rinnegan unlocked.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

The Scorch, Blaze, Magnet, Explosion and Crystal elements don't make sense in the image.

Where did you get that diagram from ?

 

[super yang]

The Scorch, Blaze, Magnet, Explosion and Crystal elements don't make sense in the image.

why don't they make sense?

 

[BLAZE]

isn't crystal element filler

 

[super yang]

isn't crystal element filler

ofc it is...

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

Scorch= Fire+Wind
Explosion= Earth +lightning
Crystal=Earth+Wind

I always assumed that blaze was enhanced fire style

why don't they make sense?

1. Blaze Release (or Enton) was Amaterasu when manipulated by Sasuke. It was not even Fire Release, technically, since it was an ability independent of Sasuke's elemental affinities.

2. Magnet Release is very controversial. Logically, magnetic metals (often transition elements that were part of Earth Release) could be magnetized when exposed to another magnetic field. Powerful Electro-Magnets could be formed when electricity was run through magnetic metals. Magnetism itself can be used to manipulate metals (thus 'filtering' techniques that were originally Earth-based). Magnet Release should have been left an ability independent of elements. If it HAD to be a combination, it should have been Earth and Lightning (even then with the user already possessing some control over magnetism before the elements), making electromagnets.

3. Explosion Release is another ability that should have been left unrelated to the elements. But then it had to be made weak against Sasuke, so Earth element was forced into it. In actuality, though, that was simply Deidara's clay, and not the regular earth release. Lightning could negate it, but lightning was also driving it? A more realistic combination, if one HAD to be used, would have been fire and lightning solely because those two couldn't possibly combine for anything but an explosion. Deidara could simply have been implied to be infusing this explosive chakra into his clay (earth-based).

4. Crystal Release is filler. If it HAD to be a combination of two elements, it would be Earth and Water or Earth and Fire. From everything that was seen about Crystal Release and its users, it could simply be passed off as an Earth release subset that was too fine to be copied by Sharingan.

5. Blaze Release, as said before was an MS ability independent of elements.




But then it's a finished Manga, and the guys at Wikia did their best to arrange the combinations while conforming to the little, confusing, and at time inaccurate information Kishi has made available to them.

Where did you get that diagram from ?

I simply quoted one of the guys.

 

[super yang]

1. Blaze Release (or Enton) was Amaterasu when manipulated by Sasuke. It was not even Fire Release, technically, since it was an ability independent of Sasuke's elemental affinities.

is there confirmation of this?

2. Magnet Release is very controversial. Logically, magnetic metals (often transition elements that were part of Earth Release) could be magnetized when exposed to another magnetic field. Powerful Electro-Magnets could be formed when electricity was run through magnetic metals. Magnetism itself can be used to manipulate metals (thus 'filtering' techniques that were originally Earth-based). Magnet Release should have been left an ability independent of elements. If it HAD to be a combination, it should have been Earth and Lightning (even then with the user already possessing some control over magnetism before the elements), making electromagnets.

so it is an element or not? because it makes sense to me

3. Explosion Release is another ability that should have been left unrelated to the elements. But then it had to be made weak against Sasuke, so Earth element was forced into it. In actuality, though, that was simply Deidara's clay, and not the regular earth release. Lightning could negate it, but lightning was also driving it? A more realistic combination, if one HAD to be used, would have been fire and lightning solely because those two couldn't possibly combine for anything but an explosion. Deidara could simply have been implied to be infusing this explosive chakra into his clay (earth-based).

well yes, kkg genkai are proper fusions, not combos. so its driven by the laws of narutoverse, not lightning/earth

4. Crystal Release is filler. If it HAD to be a combination of two elements, it would be Earth and Water or Earth and Fire. From everything that was seen about Crystal Release and its users, it could simply be passed off as an Earth release subset that was too fine to be copied by Sharingan.

or earth & wind

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

is there confirmation of this?

Is there any confirmation of otherwise? It's explained through out the manga, btw, and based on that explanation, mine would have been pretty logical. On a side note, people tend to affiliate it with fire release because of the similarities, as well as because of Uchiha's affinity with Fire Release. That's understandable, and makes a lot of sense, but pushing Lightning Release into it doesn't.

so it is an element or not? because it makes sense to me

It was never shown being used like normal elements. Even the wikia article says this. It was shown as a 'effect' on normal ninjutsu. Magnet release itself never damaged or harmed anyone. Other elements affected by this 'effect' did.

well yes, kkg genkai are proper fusions, not combos. so its driven by the laws of narutoverse, not lightning/earth

I had something in mind to say to this, but I'm not gonna say because I do not wish to sound disrespectful. Also because my post was personal opinion (albeit based on my knowledge of science), which is the same as your post here. Read my about me thread if you wanna know what I did here.

or earth & wind

Earth and Wind would have been better reserved for Gaara's Sand. But then they used Shukaku for that, so wind and earth was left unused. In the Anime, Kiba only sensed Earth Release in it, and it was believed to be one of the elements involved. The other element was a mystery, or even, nonexistent.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

If you wanted to use real world physics, the crystal release would require four of the five elements to use. Minerals (earth) in water, heated up by fire and or hot air (wind). Unfortunately, this would make it more powerful than a kekkei tota and thus more powerful than the atomic dust release lols, so to be conservative, You could use earth and water with fire, or the same first two elements with wind. Keep in mind this is only one form of crystalization. Glass and ice are also crystals lols. Most of the other elements make sense in that diagram though.