What most people do not know because they have been lied to their whole life is that when weed became illegal it was because through propaganda and subliminal messaging back during the cold war the government directly linked it to Communism. Meaning if you smoked a joint you HAD to be a communist. This then carried on and fast forward a decade and during the Vietnam war who opposed the war?? Hippies!!! And what were they known for??? Smoking weed. Have you ever heard of somebody smoking pot and getting anger like alcohol?? No cause it makes you peaceful and docile. The government didn't like this because if you didn't support the war you were automatically against it. Reagan then started a war on drugs campaign most of you have heard of at some point, "Just Say No". What almost nobody knows is prior to this he had a bunch of scientist perform experiments to DIRECTLY LINK WEED TO HEALTH ISSUES. After a few months their final report stated they could not produce the results the president had asked for. It actually stated that it could have medical benefits, which was NOT trying to be heard by the government. They then sealed the files for the past 30+ years and they weren't released till early 2000's. I can go on forever but let me end with this. The VERY FIRST law about marijuana in the US was forcing farmers back in colonial times to grow at least an acre of hemp which is the plant form of weed. George Washington had a hemp farm that was several acres large.
[Debate] What's your view on legalizing weed?
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Alcohol is something people mention a lot so let me rant on that. Alcohol was illegal during the prohibition. Two things that happened that still takes place 80? years later.
1. Alcohol became the cash cow for the mafia. Organized crime used alcohol to take power in EVERY major city in the country and used it as a foot hold to still exist today. The vast majority of population still had demand regardless of prohibition and the only place to find them was through mobsters. This gave birth to names like Al Capone who was notorious for his mass murders. The government eventually removed the prohibition not because alcohol is safer or people were more responsible but because they literally lost the war against alcohol and organized crime.
Well that can't happen again right?? That totally ridiculous.... Psych!! The Mexican cartel plus numerous gangs still use this as their cash cow to fund them. With this money they purchase guns and cars and houses used to kill kidnap torture rape etc. The black market of weed makes an estimated 3.7 billion every year. Imagine if the government had that kinda money through taxing of weed... This would cause 2 things. Billions would be brought in annually through tax to be spent on healthcare, education, poverty, etc etc etc. Pretty much all those things the government doesn't have funding for. Colorado since January's legalization has gained 100+ million in tax. That's just 1 state out of 50 in roughly 6 months. If that's the average per state your looking at 5 billion in tax in half a year??? Wtf can you say free health insurance, better living, lower taxes, etc.
Prohibition of weed has another effect that people use to say how bad it is. It's actually funny really. Weed is a "gateway" drug. Statement is true, no denying it no questioning it. It makes you WANT to try other "harder" drugs like cocaine, heroin, acid, molly, etc. This statement is actually false. It is a gateway drug ONLY because you have weed being sold by the same people as the people selling the hard drugs. Normally you hit up some shady guy and wait forever to hopefully get some "fire" weed they've been claiming. Well say they ran out of weed but have some blow or LCD. Your having a horrible day and you want something to relax (not condoning drug use) so you say yea gimme xyz. See where this is going?? It is a gateway drug BECAUSE its illegal.
OK so the 2 ripple effect banning alcohol is the general disregard and disrespect for police figures. Before prohibition of alcohol cops were looked up to as a authoritative figure and a person of great respect. Cops had to enforce prohibition and arrested anybody with alcohol as well as destroyed some million gallons of booze confiscated from bars pubs taverns stores. This made people hate cops and now what do we say when people see a cop?? F the police or I smell bacon or I didn't know there's a dunkin donuts here.
Police officers spend so much time and resources to uphold and maintain prohibition of weed but many are now admitting to its failure and how the time and effort could be spent on finding and arresting real criminals and jot a bunch of teenagers trying to smoke a dubbie. Remember when I mentioned the potention money the government can make on taxing weed? Well you can add another 130m to that because that approximately how much is spent on the war on drugs. With no more need to spend money on helicopters and the fuel maintenance etc to find outdoor grow ops, lawyers judges court prisons prison guards, prisoner healthcare is all out of our pockets through tax. No more prohibition means 2 things in this aspect. Either lower taxes or it gets used on something else like I mentioned before.
1. Alcohol became the cash cow for the mafia. Organized crime used alcohol to take power in EVERY major city in the country and used it as a foot hold to still exist today. The vast majority of population still had demand regardless of prohibition and the only place to find them was through mobsters. This gave birth to names like Al Capone who was notorious for his mass murders. The government eventually removed the prohibition not because alcohol is safer or people were more responsible but because they literally lost the war against alcohol and organized crime.
Well that can't happen again right?? That totally ridiculous.... Psych!! The Mexican cartel plus numerous gangs still use this as their cash cow to fund them. With this money they purchase guns and cars and houses used to kill kidnap torture rape etc. The black market of weed makes an estimated 3.7 billion every year. Imagine if the government had that kinda money through taxing of weed... This would cause 2 things. Billions would be brought in annually through tax to be spent on healthcare, education, poverty, etc etc etc. Pretty much all those things the government doesn't have funding for. Colorado since January's legalization has gained 100+ million in tax. That's just 1 state out of 50 in roughly 6 months. If that's the average per state your looking at 5 billion in tax in half a year??? Wtf can you say free health insurance, better living, lower taxes, etc.
Prohibition of weed has another effect that people use to say how bad it is. It's actually funny really. Weed is a "gateway" drug. Statement is true, no denying it no questioning it. It makes you WANT to try other "harder" drugs like cocaine, heroin, acid, molly, etc. This statement is actually false. It is a gateway drug ONLY because you have weed being sold by the same people as the people selling the hard drugs. Normally you hit up some shady guy and wait forever to hopefully get some "fire" weed they've been claiming. Well say they ran out of weed but have some blow or LCD. Your having a horrible day and you want something to relax (not condoning drug use) so you say yea gimme xyz. See where this is going?? It is a gateway drug BECAUSE its illegal.
OK so the 2 ripple effect banning alcohol is the general disregard and disrespect for police figures. Before prohibition of alcohol cops were looked up to as a authoritative figure and a person of great respect. Cops had to enforce prohibition and arrested anybody with alcohol as well as destroyed some million gallons of booze confiscated from bars pubs taverns stores. This made people hate cops and now what do we say when people see a cop?? F the police or I smell bacon or I didn't know there's a dunkin donuts here.
Police officers spend so much time and resources to uphold and maintain prohibition of weed but many are now admitting to its failure and how the time and effort could be spent on finding and arresting real criminals and jot a bunch of teenagers trying to smoke a dubbie. Remember when I mentioned the potention money the government can make on taxing weed? Well you can add another 130m to that because that approximately how much is spent on the war on drugs. With no more need to spend money on helicopters and the fuel maintenance etc to find outdoor grow ops, lawyers judges court prisons prison guards, prisoner healthcare is all out of our pockets through tax. No more prohibition means 2 things in this aspect. Either lower taxes or it gets used on something else like I mentioned before.
FalconPunch
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Man strong levels of unintelligence in this thread. People should be free to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as it doesn't harm OTHERS. If I choose to ingest a potentially harmful substance I do so knowing that it may have deleterious affects on my health. Have any of you read the side effects on a box of aspirin? Or paracetamol, or any other pharmaceutical? Just because somethings legal doesn't mean its safe and just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's dangerous.
The negative psychological effects are GREATLY exaggerated, alcohol in many ways has far more harmful affects.
The negative psychological effects are GREATLY exaggerated, alcohol in many ways has far more harmful affects.
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Comparing weed to alcohol and cigarettes is pointless. Drinking a glass of wine a day is healthy. And anyway, drinking a glass of alcohol daily basically doesnt harm you. But smoking weed every day would make you a zombie. Smoking several cigarettes a day is obviously harmful but smoking the same amount of weed a day would be even worse. Besides, while drinking alcohol moderately or smoking cigarette your mind stays clear, unlike in case of weed.
Drugs are prohibited in international treaties and I dont think that all goverments are evil and conspired against weed.
I checked studies for both sides, everyone can choose which one they believe.
Drugs are prohibited in international treaties and I dont think that all goverments are evil and conspired against weed.
I checked studies for both sides, everyone can choose which one they believe.
Why not..
If my government legalized weed I would scrap all my education plans.I will leave the ****ing city and back to my village and clear all the crops my family growing since ages and grow marijuana and live happy ever after. :hooray:
If my government legalized weed I would scrap all my education plans.I will leave the ****ing city and back to my village and clear all the crops my family growing since ages and grow marijuana and live happy ever after. :hooray:
I think it should be legalized. It makes money and we are in the need of money. Although I'm slightly worried if their will be health risk from youth smoking at young ages, since it would be more available. It also makes me worry about how drug cartels will operate with one of their products losing its black market value, maybe harsher drugs will be on the black market or maybe other crimes. Marijuana doesn't have any known fetal health risk so its seems healthy enough, but I would feel more safer on legalization if it was researched slightly more.
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It's really not pointless, cigarettes are proven to be addictive and contain numerous toxic compounds and nicotine creates a physical addiction, in high doses alcohol creates a physical addiction as well infact acute alcohol withdrawal can be deadly without medical intervention.
Marijuana even in high doses doesn't create acute physical withdrawal symptoms that make you physically sick unlike alcohol/nicotine. Now I know you said "moderate alcohol consumption" and "smoking several cigarettes per day" well what about moderate marijuana consumption compared to both while taking into consideration the average marijuana user doesn't smoke 5-20 joints a day unlike someone who smokes ciggies.
Talking about moderation how many people drink moderately and how many people only smoke a handful of cigarettes per day? the issue with alcohol is that people enjoy the feeling so they drink more to get more of that feeling it's a perpetual cycle. Cigarettes boost feel good neurotransmitters artificially which causes the bodies natural production to decrease which creates an addictive cycle when that decrease occurs people feel like smoking another cigarette. With weed most people learn quickly that you can only get so high and smoking more weed after that point gives diminishing returns. As far as it's effects on a persons mind well that's individual it doesn't turn people into zombies I've lived with chronic potheads and while they like eating and watching tv they are surprisingly functional have full time jobs and live good lives. The method of ingestion is important as well if someone ingests marijuana through a vaporizer its not physically harmful at all.
Actually the bold is false, weed is more healthier than tobacco. I believe a person has to have roughly 8-10 joints to equal to a cigarette's risks. The amount of joints may very since it goes by how big/small you make your joint. Alcohol and cigarettes are far more dangerous than marijuana, and even prescribed medications have worse side effects than marijuana. Marijuana has never been directly linked to any death, well maybe drug related but not from usage. Car accident were the driver was under the influence of marijuana were found to also be under the influence of alcohol and other narcotics, while it hasn't been any reported cases where someone has died directly from marijuana usage.
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If you compare something, then at least compare the same amount and same frequency. Obviously smoking a joint a month is not harmful, however when you are high, your mind is not clear. Now there are people who also only smoke a cigarette once in a blue moon at a party. And their minds stay clear. And drinking a glass of alcohol a day is better than smoking weed daily.
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So the solution to stop people abusing alcohol and cigarettes is to legalize another harmful substance. I see
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The Reason is that this country (USA) is built on superstition and hypocrisy. Marijuana does not kill, nor does it cause cancer. It it an herb preferably consumed in its natural, unaltered state. The chemical produced by the buds of this herb, THC, can cause hallucination, euphoria, and constipation among other things. Cigarettes are tobacco products laced with numerous chemicals (including cyanide, of all things) whose consumption is accompanied by a menthol filter. They kill. They cause cancer. And they are legal. Marijuana needs to be legalized for recreational use for many reasons.
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1.A whole new industry that creates entrepreneurs overnight would bring this country back better than ever economically
2. People are gonna smoke it, legal or not. A properly regulated industry would give them a safe way to acquire it.
3. Tourism to this country would dramatically increase for obvious reasons.
4. Drug-dealers would have to go out and get jobs
5. People would fight less
6. More people would be able to get jobs
7. I'll rest
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1.A whole new industry that creates entrepreneurs overnight would bring this country back better than ever economically
2. People are gonna smoke it, legal or not. A properly regulated industry would give them a safe way to acquire it.
3. Tourism to this country would dramatically increase for obvious reasons.
4. Drug-dealers would have to go out and get jobs
5. People would fight less
6. More people would be able to get jobs
7. I'll rest
Hmm my comparison isn't about that. Regardless of how many cigarettes you smoke its more healthier to smoke more weed joints. That's why your point about cigarettes/alcohol is false. I'm not quite sure where your getting these assumptions about marijuana, but smoking a joint a day gave cancer patients improved functions, not impared functions.
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Weed is legal in my state, there are weed clinics everywhere. However, I have never seen anyone actually go into these stores. So I'm not really worried.
FalconPunch
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You said compare amount and frequency..... fine if you look at the median lethal dose for nicotine you come up with a dose of 40-60mg being deadly to 50% of people. Kid does 22 shots in two hours dies of alcohol poisoning. The amount of marijuana needed to kill someone is theoretical no one has ever smoked enough to die from THC poisoning.
I'm not saying the solution to stop people abusing alcohol or cigarettes is to legalize weed (lol what? how did you reach that conclusion). I'm simply saying to not legalize it and tax it is stupid, people will still buy it on the blackmarket, sell it to kids gangs and street thugs will continue to make money of it. It's really not a dangerous substance and all the government propaganda and scaremongering was due to the agendas of a few.
My whole point is that it's not a dangerous substance it's benign, a normal person will be fine if you have a predisosed mental health condition probably best avoid cause some people can't handle being paranoid.
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You forget about other effects. Smoke weed every day like alcoholists get drunk every day and cigarette smokers do smoke daily. Let's see what will happen to your brain in a year.
You talk as if death would be the only consequence.
A normal person can also handle 1-2 glasses of alcohol without any harm, or smoking a cigarette occasionally.
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Who said anything about smoking weed everyday? Eating cake and candy everyday will lead to you being fat and developing several other potentially fatal health risks. I suppose cake and candy should be banned then.
Weed is illegal because, unlike alcohol or cigarettes, weed is something almost anyone can gain access to without the government being involved. You can grow your own, you can get it from someone who deals. The government doesn't have to be a middle man, the chances of them profiting off of marijuana legalization is considerably smaller than the chances they'll get with profiting off of legalization of alcohol and cigarettes despite the fact that cigarettes and alcohol are far more harmful and cause far more fatalities than marijuana does.
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Really? Really? You say eating sweets moderately every day is more harmful than smoking weed daily?
Yeah yeah the evil USA government controls the world.