Whats your view on current Kakashi vs Itachi!

[Chuggs]

Kakashi takes this, it isn't even debatable.

 

[shelke]

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Kakashi totally Kamui prepped for a while here, even though his MS isn't even activated right?

Gtfo with your extended Sasuke wank, Shelke. Amaterasu has already been countered by everybody and their mother.

Try to read posts probably. Why bother, right? I mean you are the same guy that couldn't understand my repeated scan posting on that quote you have in your signature. He created a Kamui point right in front of him - the arrows automatically intercepted the point, as they were stacked on top of one and other. Not a difficult concept to comprehend. Yes, because Kakashi simply is such a character that personifies whatever any random character puts out. Lol @ this guy's third grade logic.

Chimp on acid, this guy.

 

[omarsen]

Itachi 1 shot with Tsukuyomi. Kakashi got no counter bahaha

 

[Denzel Washington]

Try to read posts probably. Why bother, right? I mean you are the same guy that couldn't understand my repeated scan posting on that quote you have in your signature. He created a Kamui point right in front of him - the arrows automatically intercepted the point, as they were stacked on top of one and other. Not a difficult concept to comprehend. Yes, because Kakashi simply is such a character that personifies whatever any random character puts out. Lol @ this guy's third grade logic.

Chimp on acid, this guy.

@Bold Proof? Because what you just said is pure speculation as we've never seen Kamui work like that, a shield of some sort. Each target must be warped themselves. Not that it matters, as your retarded "kamui needs chakra build up for speed hurr durr" argument is out.

@Under That's probably the worst and least insulting insult in the history of humanity. I'd be more insulted if a 4 year old called me a dummy head.

 

[Tendou00]

If we were in part 1 i'd say Itachi yes Ms Itachi > 3T Kakashi... However current Kakashi is god tier, he can spam MS like crazy, Itachi doesn't have impressing chakra reserve and we know how dangerous is MS for him.Not to mension that Kakashi has all knowledge and counters whereas Itachi doesn't.

Current Kakashi stomps, this current war arc already proved it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^ Danzo disappeared before Sasuke could even blink. Hachibi was engulfed by flames so quickly and Frog Stomach was completely eaten through. Nagato was reduced to a cadaver status as well. So many examples to back this up. Even Kabuto was shown to heal with just using his Healing Technique. Rasangan is not something that is any where near as potent as Amaterasu.

I hardly doubt kakashi's stamina is superior. As he has himself stated that his reserves are tiny. Itachi was able to use so much despite being mortally ill. If he had been even a little better - well, we can all imagine his performance level.

They hardly had any decent speed-feat. Itachi on the other hand was parrying both Bee and KCM Naruto.

Already gave you an example - Obito saw it coming and acknowledged it as well, but couldn't turn on his Intangibility, when it's much faster than his own Kamui even. Tsukuyomi is extremely fast as well, Itachi was just shown to blitz Sasuke and the second he looked at his eyes, he was already inside Genjutsu. All Sharingan Genjutsus are shown to work as instantly as the user looks at the Sharingan.

P.s: The Rasangan tore through his clothes and left a circular hole in his chest. Kishimoto thought, why bother the next chapter, and decided to leave a shirt on him. You can even recheck the images.

Cuz danzo has kakashi reactions. Matter of fact why would danzo even attempt to dodge? Or stop it he had izanagi up.
Hachibi put up his tails as defence and it still didn't burn through said tails.
Itachi had a full conversation before we saw nagato again and given the fact that that man was practically skin and bones he should have been a pile of ash.
Ama didn't burn sasuke quickly
It didn't burn raikage quickly
It didn't burn through garra's sand quickly
It didn't burn through that samurai's armor.
It didn't burn through minato even though it had frs making it stronger.
It doesn't burn quickly.

Well you can doubt it all you want kakashi used more clones than him( clones that cost more chakra than his mind you) moreelemental techniques than him.(over 8 raikiri variants) and used ms just as much as him. But unlike itachi he's still living after it.

4 v2 jins? That's a better feat.

You're point? Obito removed it before it did damage to him. Didn't even singe his clothing.

Wait so now you know what kishi thinks? It could be the other way around . Either way he removed it before it damaged him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Try to read posts probably. Why bother, right? I mean you are the same guy that couldn't understand my repeated scan posting on that quote you have in your signature. He created a Kamui point right in front of him - the arrows automatically intercepted the point, as they were stacked on top of one and other. Not a difficult concept to comprehend. Yes, because Kakashi simply is such a character that personifies whatever any random character puts out. Lol @ this guy's third grade logic.

Chimp on acid, this guy.

The arrows weren't back to back. As seen in the scan. One is higher than the other meaning he had to look at one and then the other. Still warped and activated ms faster than itachi ever could.

 

[shelke]

^ A Giant splash of water right in that area and the fact that he could barely make Naruto vanish - he could barely kamui him faster than the stakes he throws out of his dimension, canonically proven to travel at the same speed as Madara's Magatamas. That two on the basis of hoodwinking Obito, as he obviously has no way of finding out that it was a Bushin or not.

How big is this arrow? Even the stakes on Obito managed to deflect it. It's not even a large target. The width of those arrows is about the same as Sasuke's torso in that picture. All he had to do was intercept it, just the same way he did with that nail. He created the wrap point right in front of his eye back then as well. Kakashi has to built up and prepare chakra for a large target as well. Also, all techniques have chakra built-up - Kamui is no different.

For your playground level intellectual capacity - this was the most apt one I could think of. Anything complicated and who knows what might befall your fragile brains.

 

[uchihaVsenju]

I personally think Itachi have more chance of winning than Kakashi. Remember people every jutsu has its weakness. If kamui can beat anything then Obito could have done so much on his own. Also dont forget the fact Itachi Lost to sasuke on purpose. And as far as I remember we never seen Itachi in an real fight (serious battle where he desperately wanted to kill someone) other than against kabuto and again he got him easily. One more thing to remember about the Uchiha is hes always cool. hes calm and never looses his cool so he can beat kakashi. I like kakashi but i dont think he has any strong jutsu's other than kamui and chidori.

 

[Denzel Washington]

^ A Giant splash of water right in that area and the fact that he could barely make Naruto vanish - he could barely kamui him faster than the stakes he throws out of his dimension, canonically proven to travel at the same speed as Madara's Magatamas. That two on the basis of hoodwinking Obito, as he obviously has no way of finding out that it was a Bushin or not.

How big is this arrow? Even the stakes on Obito managed to deflect it. It's not even a large target. The width of those arrows is about the same as Sasuke's torso in that picture. All he had to do was intercept it, just the same way he did with that nail. He created the wrap point right in front of his eye back then as well. Kakashi has to built up and prepare chakra for a large target as well. Also, all techniques have chakra built-up - Kamui is no different.

For your playground level intellectual capacity - this was the most apt one I could think of. Anything complicated and who knows what might befall your fragile brains.

Blah blah blah. Shelke going off again to no avail. Fun fact: He negged rep me due to butthurt, and I Pos repped him in return

OT: Obviously all techniques require chakra build up, that scan just proves Kakashi can do it quickly for Kamui. Extremely quickly.

Hell, I'd post the Gedo Mazo Summoning scan, but I'm sure you remember it. Kakashi wasn't prepping Kamui but for maybe a second- and he tore the whole freaking arm off in the time it took a summoning jutsu to happen.

Pretty sure he can do it even more quickly to a smaller target.

 

[shelke]

Cuz danzo has kakashi reactions. Matter of fact why would danzo even attempt to dodge? Or stop it he had izanagi up.
Hachibi put up his tails as defence and it still didn't burn through said tails.
Itachi had a full conversation before we saw nagato again and given the fact that that man was practically skin and bones he should have been a pile of ash.
Ama didn't burn sasuke quickly
It didn't burn raikage quickly
It didn't burn through garra's sand quickly
It didn't burn through that samurai's armor.
It didn't burn through minato even though it had frs making it stronger.
It doesn't burn quickly.

Well you can doubt it all you want kakashi used more clones than him( clones that cost more chakra than his mind you) moreelemental techniques than him.(over 8 raikiri variants) and used ms just as much as him. But unlike itachi he's still living after it.

4 v2 jins? That's a better feat.

You're point? Obito removed it before it did damage to him. Didn't even singe his clothing.

Wait so now you know what kishi thinks? It could be the other way around . Either way he removed it before it damaged him.

It was not even a point of speed but how fast Amaterasu consumes, once connected. Sasuke threw out a Bijuu sized Amaterasu - it covered all of its frontal portion. He must have built a massive chakra for it, thus the lag. Not even a hard point to decipher. I doubt Kakashi is Hachibi sized. Even less than fiftieth of that part would be enough to kill him.

- Itachi turned the flames off, and it was never focused on him. The spawn point was made to follow the line of sight.
- That was Enton.
- That was Enton.

Itachi was suffering from a disease - an unknown disease. I don't see how this point is even relevant as why to he's dead and Kakashi is alive. The speed feats from those Jins are pretty embarrassing. You can go and reread those chapters. Kinkaku went in V2 mode as well, and yet Darui effortlessly dodged his attacks and Chouji's father intercepted his attacks as well. Not every V2 Jin is at Bee's level. Kakashi is fast, but not faster than Itachi given the fact that he was fighting two Jins, one of them was a perfect Jin shown to react to FTG and V2 Ae. Let's not exalt Kakashi's non-existent 'out of this world' speed.

Obito was screaming in pain. I highly doubt it didn't affect him - it means he was feeling it on his skin. Lol Amaterasu was shown to reduce Danzo to dust and Nagato to bones in a second, but his clothes remained intact? What do you think it was? Not that hard to guess as his mask fell off before he fell back into the darkness, screaming his guts out. He even admits that had he not kept a secret or two from Itachi, he would have been dead then. I will not be even least bit convinced by any argument that Konan knew all about Kamui and its facets but Itachi was walking around like an idiot all that time.

As for arrows, then they are right on top of one another and are extremely thin - not a large target.

 

[~Sky~]

Kakashi takes it.

 

[Child Of The Great Empire]

I think that Itachi babyshakes him. Lol

 

[dms_kakashi]

Itachi wins....genjutsu king will surely put kakashi in tsukuyomi. If not kakashi has no counter for amaterasu. Sure he might kamui one spurt of amaterasu but while kakashi is using kamui on that itachi can spurt out another Amaterasu. Susanoo is too quick an powerful for kakashi. Those are the words of danzo and obito. Totsuka is an overkill. None of his attacks will work due to the ultimate defense of susanoo and yata mirror. Kakashi loses low to mid diff.

dude kakashis ms can counter tsukyomi and kamui>amaterasu
totsuka rochimaru just underistimated him as he was immortal

 

[dms_kakashi]

so kakashi wins

 

[ShippudenRules]

Itachi mid diff. Max

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It was not even a point of speed but how fast Amaterasu consumes, once connected. Sasuke threw out a Bijuu sized Amaterasu - it covered all of its frontal portion. He must have built a massive chakra for it, thus the lag. Not even a hard point to decipher. I doubt Kakashi is Hachibi sized. Even less than fiftieth of that part would be enough to kill him.

- Itachi turned the flames off, and it was never focused on him. The spawn point was made to follow the line of sight.
- That was Enton.
- That was Enton.

Itachi was suffering from a disease - an unknown disease. I don't see how this point is even relevant as why to he's dead and Kakashi is alive. The speed feats from those Jins are pretty embarrassing. You can go and reread those chapters. Kinkaku went in V2 mode as well, and yet Darui effortlessly dodged his attacks and Chouji's father intercepted his attacks as well. Not every V2 Jin is at Bee's level. Kakashi is fast, but not faster than Itachi given the fact that he was fighting two Jins, one of them was a perfect Jin shown to react to FTG and V2 Ae. Let's not exalt Kakashi's non-existent 'out of this world' speed.

Obito was screaming in pain. I highly doubt it didn't affect him - it means he was feeling it on his skin. Lol Amaterasu was shown to reduce Danzo to dust and Nagato to bones in a second, but his clothes remained intact? What do you think it was? Not that hard to guess as his mask fell off before he fell back into the darkness, screaming his guts out. He even admits that had he not kept a secret or two from Itachi, he would have been dead then. I will not be even least bit convinced by any argument that Konan knew all about Kamui and its facets but Itachi was walking around like an idiot all that time.

As for arrows, then they are right on top of one another and are extremely thin - not a large target.

Enton = ama flames. It being enton doesn't change burn rate, or the amount of heat being given off. So get that crap excuse outta here.

Same rule applies to kamui the smaller the faster. But unlike ama which has been dodged at its fastest. Kakashi's kamui has not. Even worse is the fact that the size/speed disparity isn't as big on kamui as it is on ama. Seeing as how kakashi was still able to warp gedo mazo's arm while it was being summoned.

He died of chakra exhaustion. A healthy itachi was panting after 3 ms tech's.
Kinkaku isn't even a legitimate jinchuriki, straw grasper. Bee was in base when fighting itachi. Yugito matched him in speed and even ripped his scarf. So unless you're implying that base yugito>v2 yugito in speed u might as well stop there.

Kakashi was fighting 4 jins each with add sharingan and shared vision. And he managed fine.

He came back and mocked itachi's plan and had no marks or injuries. Itachi never even saw him use kamui. So why would he know about it. That's the only secret obito kept from him. If itachi knew about izanami and izanagi chances are he'd expect obito(who he thought was maddy) to be able to use it. After all mads is the greatest uchiha of all time, and any uchiha can use either of the two.
What itachi doesn't know about is kamui which is the very same tech he used to remove the flames.

He still has to look at both/ he still had to activate ms b4 they hit him. I doubt the arrows are smaller than itachi's head /neck meaning he can warp itachi's head off faster than he warped the arrows.

 

[VangBro95]

If it's exactly beginning PT2 Itachi and current full health Kakashi I say Kakashi.

 

[shelke]

^ It canonically does. In case of Gaara, the flame was used defensively - Sasuke states it himself - and in case of Ae, it was again used to defend. Given all the scans, the burn rate of Focused Amaterasu and Enton varies vastly.

How long did it take for Madara to summon it? Your answer lies in that.

Itachi died because he had most certainly stopped taking Medicines and was at the last stages of his illness. It matters a lot. Kin reached V2, just like any other Jin. As I said, read the panels. I will post scans tomorrow to end this part of the argument.

All assumption that itachi wouldn't know, but Konan would. The knowledge of Izanami and Izanagi is pointless, as given the fact that it requires one to completely forfeit ones light. His clothes were undamaged, when he was shown screaming with pain. I have never even heard of a fire that causes pains, yet leaves the clothes alone, when his entire right side was engulfed by flames. Even the thought seems laughable.

He will warp him whilst he stands behind Susano'o?

 

[Vega]

Kakashi is obviously far superior to his past part 1 self, let alone the hacks known as Kamui.
Itachi also is no joke. It comes down to who analyzes the situation better.