Whats your view on current Kakashi vs Itachi!

[Mitarashi]

So you created a new account, huh? Tsukuyomi isn't faster to establish at all considering the requirements of the technique release rely on Itachi building a massive amount of his pitful chakra reserve, close his eye(s) for seconds before actually using the technique and eye contact is still necessary. No eye contact and tsukuyomi is useless. On the other side, eye contact or not, Kamui finishes Itachi. In terms of speed Kakashi warped Gedo Mazo's arm inbetween an instant teleportative jutsu, warped a senpou rasengan the same instant it made contact with his body. Kakashi's kamui speed is insane. The lack of knowledge on Itachi's side isn't helping either when a Kakashi with knowledge already showed the skills to dodge tsukuyomi.

This.

Kamuikashi's Kamui speed is intense. He's able to re-act point blank with Kamui counters.

Kakashi kamui counters continuously.

 

[shelke]

Kakashi warps something that spawns on him. That sounds rich.

 

[Mitarashi]

Kakashi warps something that spawns on him. That sounds rich.

It doesn't spawn on you.
Raikage dodges it = it comes from his eye.

 

[Minator93]

Kakashi shits on him U_U

 

[Boston Rob]

Ama's speed doesn't matter. It would be warped anyway. That jutsu is useless here

Well, Kakashis Kamui is alot more different than Obitos im sure you know it. It maybie can warp small Rasengans when they are coming with mid speed but not almost instant Ama with huge flames, Obito cant be touched - Kakashi doesnt have such ability, duh

 

[shelke]

It doesn't spawn on you.
Raikage dodges it = it comes from his eye.

I didn't know Kakashi had Bijuu-level reserves and a Raiton Cloak to up it to V2 and then Side-step something that was beginning to spawn. There are statements and countless images in the manga that prove so that Amaterasu spawns on the target:

Danzo
Nagato
Toad Stomach
Nagato's summons
Madara Etc.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What purposes- Does it come with a built-in sandwich maker? Even Obito's Intangibility Initiation - arguably and by canon a much superior version of Kamui - failed before Amaterasu. Since Amaterasu Spawns on the target, he isn't Kamui-ing anything away. It's pure fanfiction.

You are gauging a mortally sick Itachi's performance against Kakashi? Even in that condition he was constantly using Genjutsu at start, used several Crow Clones, used Amaterasu twice, and the second time for quite a while by making the spawn point follow his line-of-sight so that the entire neighboring trees were engulfed in flames. Then he used Tsukuyomi, an advanced Katon attack twice, Shuriken-Justu, several high-speed parries, and then V4 Susano'o, which he maintained for quite some time. Here are your actual facts.

Kamui can be dealt with Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, as it's all about quick draw here, and Itachi and any Uchiha would have a faster one.

If he could kamui a sage rasengan that hit him b4 it even damages his clothes he can kamui ama.
If there's a sandwich maker in the kamui dimension then.... yes yes it does.


Genjutsu's cool.
Crow clones cost less than shadow clones but whateves
2 ama
1 tsuki
Grand fire ball isn't really advanced. Wave arc sauce was using that.
Shuriken jutsu? No sir all he did was throw shuriken. That's not a jutsu.
1 susanno.

5 ms tech's and a flurry of other stuff

While kakashi pushed out
5 kamui of varying sizes( gedo mazou head?)
4 raikiri's
2 raiden's
2 raikiri's ran on ninja tools.
2 shadow clones costs more than crow clones but hey
Earth wall. I feel like I'm forgetting something but I'll leave it at that.

How does ama or tsuki deal with kamui? They don't check or counter it.
And no itachi even as an edo required time to pull out ms, and more time afterwards to use the techniques.
Kakashi does it in between panels.

So yeah.

 

[TrollKing]

Unless you are like kamui gg, kakashi can't win

 

[shelke]

If he could kamui a sage rasengan that hit him b4 it even damages his clothes he can kamui ama.
If there's a sandwich maker in the kamui dimension then.... yes yes it does.


Genjutsu's cool.
Crow clones cost less than shadow clones but whateves
2 ama
1 tsuki
Grand fire ball isn't really advanced. Wave arc sauce was using that.
Shuriken jutsu? No sir all he did was throw shuriken. That's not a jutsu.
1 susanno.

5 ms tech's and a flurry of other stuff

While kakashi pushed out
5 kamui of varying sizes( gedo mazou head?)
4 raikiri's
2 raiden's
2 raikiri's ran on ninja tools.
2 shadow clones costs more than crow clones but hey
Earth wall. I feel like I'm forgetting something but I'll leave it at that.

How does ama or tsuki deal with kamui? They don't check or counter it.
And no itachi even as an edo required time to pull out ms, and more time afterwards to use the techniques.
Kakashi does it in between panels.

So yeah.

Assuming that both are even comparable in speed. This is such an outlandish remark. Even you are fully aware of this.

- Gedo Mezo's head - he prepped Chakra for it for it almost a chapter back. It was actually to cause a tear to its neck. You over-presume much that he even would have such a time luxury.
- Raikiri is useless for someone like Itachi, who's much faster on foot than Kakashi. To use it, he would have to go for a CQC and that is it for him then.
- They deal with Kamui, because to warp Itachi he'll have to look at him and being the faster techs, it's a perfect counter in itself. Their speed is the perfect counter.

I cannot believe you actually believe those.

 

[Ovan]

Itachi wins mid diff.

 

[TrollKing]

Well, Kakashis Kamui is alot more different than Obitos im sure you know it. It maybie can warp small Rasengans when they are coming with mid speed but not almost instant Ama with huge flames, Obito cant be touched - Kakashi doesnt have such ability, duh

The differences seems to base on where plot fits. The double kamui showed they are pretty much the same

 

[Bogard]

Well, Kakashis Kamui is alot more different than Obitos im sure you know it. It maybie can warp small Rasengans when they are coming with mid speed but not almost instant Ama with huge flames, Obito cant be touched - Kakashi doesnt have such ability, duh

The rasengan already made contact with his body, yet he warped it. Amaterasu won't be different

Kakashi has shown to be capable to replicate everything Obito can besides the intangibility

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[Gaara Of The Death]

Itachi wins. Kamui is wanked to much it's never one shotted anyone in the manga. Kakshi is still strong don't get it twisted.​

 

[Prince Charles]

Kamui is simply too hax, kakashi wins this.

 

[Bronze]

-Ninjutsu = Kakashi due to his vast arsenal and Kamui
-Taijutsu = Kakashi as he can open 1 of the 8 gates
-Genjutsu = Kakashi has knowledge on Tsukuyomi and already developed ways to fight Itachi without getting caught

Kakashi shits on him now. Kamui is not even needed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Assuming that both are even comparable in speed. This is such an outlandish remark. Even you are fully aware of this.

- Gedo Mezo's head - he prepped Chakra for it for it almost a chapter back. It was actually to cause a tear to its neck. You over-presume much that he even would have such a time luxury.
- Raikiri is useless for someone like Itachi, who's much faster on foot than Kakashi. To use it, he would have to go for a CQC and that is it for him then.
- They deal with Kamui, because to warp Itachi he'll have to look at him and being the faster techs, it's a perfect counter in itself. Their speed is the perfect counter.

I cannot believe you actually believe those.

I said it in reference to kamui. Rasengan rips through bodies faster than ama burns through.... anything. Yet he kamui'd it after it hit him but before it damaged him.

I listed their what they did only to prove his stamina is superior.

And if kakashi kept up with v2 jins he could keep up with itachi.

You're gonna need to prove that ama or tsukuyomi is faster than kamui. Cuz kamui was never flat out dodged like ama was. Even worse he can kamui the flames b4 it burns through his clothes just like he did the rasengan.

Ive never even seen itachi activate ms as fast as kakashi can.

 

[PuppyDogGeneral]

So you created a new account, huh? Tsukuyomi isn't faster to establish at all considering the requirements of the technique release rely on Itachi building a massive amount of his pitful chakra reserve, close his eye(s) for seconds before actually using the technique and eye contact is still necessary. No eye contact and tsukuyomi is useless. On the other side, eye contact or not, Kamui finishes Itachi. In terms of speed Kakashi warped Gedo Mazo's arm inbetween an instant teleportative jutsu, warped a senpou rasengan the same instant it made contact with his body. Kakashi's kamui speed is insane. The lack of knowledge on Itachi's side isn't helping either when a Kakashi with knowledge already showed the skills to dodge tsukuyomi.

Now you're exaggerating on prerequisites of the Jutsu at point where it should be elaborated on for Kakashi and his Mangekyo Jutsu: Kamui. The entire process of Itachi's accumulating Chakra to cast Tsukuyomi is vastly inferior to the time it would take Kakshi to gather sufficient charka, aim at the desired target then proceed to reflect kamui from his eyes. The entire issue of closing his eyes isn't a valid argument and was never implied to be mandatory. If Kakashi makes eye contact with Itachi then he is caught and could be finished by something such as Totsuka piercing through his chest while caught in the Genjutsu. Kakashi fighting without making eye contact with Itachi not only leaves him open to be ignited by Amaterasu (as it cannot be anticipated unless he is maintaining actual eyesight) and would hamper his usage of Kamui. It is out of his character to battle without making eye contact with the opponent and obviously not his fighting style.

Kakashi warping Itachi with Kamui from the beginning of the battle and at any point in the is subjective as it isn't an instant and thus can be intercepted. However, as I said but I will give credit to that argument as he's now pretty adept with the Jutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kamui is simply too hax, kakashi wins this.

Yo turn up.

 

[shelke]

^ Danzo disappeared before Sasuke could even blink. Hachibi was engulfed by flames so quickly and Frog Stomach was completely eaten through. Nagato was reduced to a cadaver status as well. So many examples to back this up. Even Kabuto was shown to heal with just using his Healing Technique. Rasangan is not something that is any where near as potent as Amaterasu.

I hardly doubt kakashi's stamina is superior. As he has himself stated that his reserves are tiny. Itachi was able to use so much despite being mortally ill. If he had been even a little better - well, we can all imagine his performance level.

They hardly had any decent speed-feat. Itachi on the other hand was parrying both Bee and KCM Naruto.

Already gave you an example - Obito saw it coming and acknowledged it as well, but couldn't turn on his Intangibility, when it's much faster than his own Kamui even. Tsukuyomi is extremely fast as well, Itachi was just shown to blitz Sasuke and the second he looked at his eyes, he was already inside Genjutsu. All Sharingan Genjutsus are shown to work as instantly as the user looks at the Sharingan.

P.s: The Rasangan tore through his clothes and left a circular hole in his chest. Kishimoto thought, why bother the next chapter, and decided to leave a shirt on him. You can even recheck the images.

 

[Denzel Washington]

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Kakashi totally Kamui prepped for a while here, even though his MS isn't even activated right?

Gtfo with your extended Sasuke wank, Shelke. Amaterasu has already been countered by everybody and their mother.