What's your opinion on Kaguya?

[Divine Uchiha]

Says who? And it doesn't seem that way.

Ok if you say so.

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So what does she need an army for and what is "that time" Black Zetsu talked about in chapter 684?

This part is true but look at the way he introduced her do you think he would treat her goals any different.

 

[Divine Uchiha]

character wise I think she is alright, not great but not horrible

I agree but I disagree.

 

[akabara the vampire king]

I thought Madara made a much better villain. You knew what he wanted to accomplish and where he was coming from. I think the best thing about him is also that he seemed to enjoy what he was doing. He really loved "dancing" and never got overly upset when things were not going his way because he seemed to have a plan for every eventuality. Except for when BZ betrayed him, he usually knew when to retreat. I liked Madara but I'm not a Madara fanatic but I would rather see him than seeing BZ control Kaguya.

Kaguya on the other hand doesn't seem too intelligent. I don't think BZ is just her will-she seems to have given him her brains too. She has hardly said a word and BZ seems to be controlling her instead of the other way around. Oro and Kabuto were better villains than her. Maybe it would be different if we knew more about her, why she needs a zetsu army and what her endgame is. Right now I have to say she's a pretty poor villain. Naruto seems to be doing a pretty good job of knocking her around and surprising her and he has only half of the sage's power. She might have god like abilities but she doesn;t seem to have much strategizing ability. BZ seems to be doing that for her. I would like to see her assert herself over BZ and have some thoughts and actions by herself instead of him continue to lead her around.

Really? Strategizing ability you say? Why all people here seem to have flush down their brains in WC.
Just think about it a lil bit Kaguya lived in an Era where she was the only "human" being wielding chakra till the point she gave birth to her two sons,so that means any other human besides her in that time was your regular Joe.So where do you want her to gain strategizing ability or battle experience if anyone who did try to revolt against her was strucked down by a giant Hakke fist or dumped in the lava dimension? This is her second battle against people wielding chakra after centuries so how can you expect her to spam jutsus with strategy,battle tactics thrown in the mix? Even her first battle back then I'm sure was just her and her sons spamming jutsus at each other as back then ninjutsu didn't exist yet so,tactics wasn't needed for those chakra monsters.

I will just ask people stop being so blind and stop comparing madara to kaguya as the former was born in a warring era where people could and were using chakra to battle.They were trained from their childhood.This is also almost same case for naruto and sasuke the difference is their nin missions gave them battle experience.
Kaguya maybe a goddess and all but when it comes to wielding chakra for battle i.e Ninjutsu sorry to disappoint your expectations she is just a new born IMO she is centuries late behind the actuals shinobis like Madara,Naruto,Sasuke,Sakura,Kakashi.Her only redeeming feature is her chakra if not even Omoi would have oneshot her.And that's also the reason Kishi with his clever mind had put The Father of Ninjutsu,the creator of shinobis,the mastermind of shinobis' war,the man with a plan BZ at her side to make up for that deficiency side of Kaguya at which I must say he's doing quite a decent job.
And to finish I really have to congratulate Kishi for keeping realism and objective mind when writing Kaguya character and not going Man of Steel crazy(a farm boy beating a born and bred soldier really?) even If I do find her character bland.So guys before complaining first analyze using logic and you'll reach the same conclusion as mine but if you still want that DBZ shit there might be a way just ask Kishi to have her absorb Mastermind Zetsu and you'll see the true meaning and fear of a PERFECT BEING INVINCIBLE cause with her actual state humanity has at least a chance to seal her but if she did totally absorb BZ I'm outta of here let alone UNSEALABLE she'll be UNTOUCHABLE,a GOD
English ain't my first language so be nice

 

[Divine Uchiha]

Really? Strategizing ability you say? Why all people here seem to have flush down their brains in WC.
Just think about it a lil bit Kaguya lived in an Era where she was the only "human" being wielding chakra till the point she gave birth to her two sons,so that means any other human besides her in that time was your regular Joe.So where do you want her to gain strategizing ability or battle experience if anyone who did try to revolt against her was strucked down by a giant Hakke fist or dumped in the lava dimension? This is her second battle against people wielding chakra after centuries so how can you expect her to spam jutsus with strategy,battle tactics thrown in the mix? Even her first battle back then I'm sure was just her and her sons spamming jutsus at each other as back then ninjutsu didn't exist yet so,tactics wasn't needed for those chakra monsters.

I will just ask people stop being so blind and stop comparing madara to kaguya as the former was born in a warring era where people could and were using chakra to battle.They were trained from their childhood.This is also almost same case for naruto and sasuke the difference is their nin missions gave them battle experience.
Kaguya maybe a goddess and all but when it comes to wielding chakra for battle i.e Ninjutsu sorry to disappoint your expectations she is just a new born IMO she is centuries late behind the actuals shinobis like Madara,Naruto,Sasuke,Sakura,Kakashi.Her only redeeming feature is her chakra if not even Omoi would have oneshot her.And that's also the reason Kishi with his clever mind had put The Father of Ninjutsu,the creator of shinobis,the mastermind of shinobis' war,the man with a plan BZ at her side to make up for that deficiency side of Kaguya at which I must say he's doing quite a decent job.
And to finish I really have to congratulate Kishi for keeping realism and objective mind when writing Kaguya character and not going Man of Steel crazy(a farm boy beating a born and bred soldier really?) even If I do find her character bland.So guys before complaining first analyze using logic and you'll reach the same conclusion as mine but if you still want that DBZ shit there might be a way just ask Kishi to have her absorb Mastermind Zetsu and you'll see the true meaning and fear of a PERFECT BEING INVINCIBLE cause with her actual state humanity has at least a chance to seal her but if she did totally absorb BZ I'm outta of here let alone UNSEALABLE she'll be UNTOUCHABLE,a GOD
English ain't my first language so be nice

I don't really care about grammar most times.Your are right but I fell your are wrong.The sentence in bold is what I want to see,that would remind me of cell talking about his perfect form and his perfect form delivered imo.That's what Kaguya should become to be the appropriate final villain.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

This part is true but look at the way he introduced her do you think he would treat her goals any different.

Technically her introduction was when the ten tails appeared. As that was just her in tailed beast/incomplete form(she spoke to Madara).

Her introduction in her "complete form"(Obito alluded to this in chapter 467) was okay. She was able to hold two Demi-gods with just her hair and teleported them to another to lava world without coming into contact with them. She seemed pretty powerful. It was just chapter 682-683 that handled her poorly.

 

[Divine Uchiha]

Technically her introduction was when the ten tails appeared. As that was just her in tailed beast/incomplete form(she spoke to Madara).

Her introduction in her "complete form"(Obito alluded to this in chapter 467) was okay. She was able to hold two Demi-gods with just her hair and teleported them to another to lava world without coming into contact with them. She seemed pretty powerful. It was just chapter 682-683 that handled her poorly.

Madara was spoken about loooooong before he came about in person then he was properly introduced.After his introduction we got pieces of his back story then when it was near his take over time we got a full back story.The same went for Obito etc.In kaguya case we heard about "her" then like less than 20 chapters she became the final villain but it didn't stop there zetsu her will then proceed to shit on the existence of the uchiha,akastsui and basically everyone in the shonbi world.I hope Kishi and his editors feel the backlash of their decision and proceed to change how they are handling her and the story.

Yes she is powerful but someone as powerful s her should not be having such a hard time.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Madara was spoken about loooooong before he came about in person then he was properly introduced.After his introduction we got pieces of his back story then when it was near his take over time we got a full back story.The same went for Obito etc.In kaguya case we heard about "her" then like less than 20 chapters she became the final villain but it didn't stop there zetsu her will then proceed to shit on the existence of the uchiha,akastsui and basically everyone in the shonbi world.I hope Kishi and his editors feel the backlash of their decision and proceed to change how they are handling her and the story.

Yes she is powerful but someone as powerful s her should not be having such a hard time.

I don't see why gender pronouns matter. Obito alluded to the whole chakra being one in chapter 467. He said: "everything will be one with me! a complete whole that achieves harmony of everything." Chapter 463 also had him say "I don't want peace, but to become complete".

Naruto is a god himself and stop saying she is final villain when she obviously isn't.

 

[Wabisuke]

well she's the sages mother so she has to be strong, but she has no backstory

 

[akabara the vampire king]

I don't really care about grammar most times.Your are right but I fell your are wrong.The sentence in bold is what I want to see,that would remind me of cell talking about his perfect form and his perfect form delivered imo.That's what Kaguya should become to be the appropriate final villain.

I understand that but there's just one problem if Kaguya did indeed become PERFECT by absorbing BZ there'd be no sealing anymore,she'd literally become INVULNERABLE,with all of BZ recording history of shinobi in her head she'd trample over em all in no time

 

[Divine Uchiha]

I understand that but there's just one problem if Kaguya did indeed become PERFECT by absorbing BZ there'd be no sealing anymore,she'd literally become INVULNERABLE,with all of BZ recording history of shinobi in her head she'd trample over em all in no time

Thats what I want to see especially if she does it in a badass way showing that women in anime can be badass too.

I don't see why gender pronouns matter. Obito alluded to the whole chakra being one in chapter 467. He said: "everything will be one with me! a complete whole that achieves harmony of everything." Chapter 463 also had him say "Don't want peace, but to become complete".

And stop saying she is final villain when she obviously isn't.

That was Obito speech,I don't think Kaguya had anything to do with that but the way things have been lately she might as well be because everything that happened since her death has been done in her honor.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

That was Obito speech,I don't think Kaguya had anything to do with that but the way things have been lately she might as well be because everything that happened since her death has been done in her honor.

Kaguya says the same thing when she spoke to Madara, Madara said it before casting IT, and Kaguya talked about bending chakra into one again. Obito was obviously talking the chakra becoming one after IT is cast, hence "complete whole".

 

[Divine Uchiha]

Kaguya says the same thing when she spoke to Madara, Madara said it before casting IT, and Kaguya talked about bending chakra into one again. Obito was obviously talking the chakra becoming one after IT is cast, hence "complete whole".

Your wrong until proven right.

This was my anticipation of kaguya after my Madara defeat butthurt cooled down.

[video=youtube;jVBOAyVHAmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVBOAyVHAmM#t=13[/video]

 

[akabara the vampire king]

Thats what I want to see especially if she does it in a badass way showing that women in anime can be badass too.



That was Obito speech,I don't think Kaguya had anything to do with that but the way things have been lately she might as well be because everything that happened since her death has been done in her honor.

So you wanna see Utter destruction,I don't think Kishi will grant your wish,he already had trouble how to finish off madara hopefully madara has a side kick,but in kaguya's case her side kick is her will there's no betraying card to play there unless BZ is lying and he's Shinju will or Jashin's

 

[Divine Uchiha]

So you wanna see Utter destruction,I don't think Kishi will grant your wish,he already had trouble how to finish off madara hopefully madara has a side kick,but in kaguya's case her side kick is her will there's no betraying card to play there unless BZ is lying and he's Shinju will or Jashin's

I like that idea and I hope it happens.I want utter destruction then after I satisfied I want a backstory then they should have a Badass death or defeat.

 

[saw2097]

I still have hope for her, I am waiting to see the whole story before making a opinion of her.

A lot of people were upset about Tobi being Obito and hated his character, but now he is extremely popular.

 

[Divine Uchiha]

I still have hope for her, I am waiting to see the whole story before making a opinion of her.

A lot of people were upset about Tobi being Obito and hated his character, but now he is extremely popular.

I never hated him but I started to dislike him after he dissed Madara.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I still have hope for her, I am waiting to see the whole story before making a opinion of her.

A lot of people were upset about Tobi being Obito and hated his character, but now he is extremely popular.

That's because people like to judge a character chapter by chapter and not give something new a chance.

 

[Divine Uchiha]

That's because people like to judge a character chapter by chapter and not give something new a chance.

We love to try something new but Kishi just came and shoved it down our throats.He should have been more subtle,gave her some hype and a pre-backstory before she was properly introduced.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

We love to try something new but Kishi just came and shoved it down our throats.He should have been more subtle,gave her some hype and a pre-backstory before she was properly introduced.

Well Kaguya was mentioned before this in the back story of Ashura and Indra. I mean its not like we never knew she existed or anything. I understand a little back story would have helped defining her character. But from what we know of her is that she ate some fruit and became that way. No doubt her intro was a bit rushed but what matters now is here and now. Lets hope and wish for great things to happen in this fight. Who knows some people may change there minds about her.

 

[Divine Uchiha]

Well Kaguya was mentioned before this in the back story of Ashura and Indra. I mean its not like we never knew she existed or anything. I understand a little back story would have helped defining her character. But from what we know of her is that she ate some fruit and became that way. No doubt her intro was a bit rushed but what matters now is here and now. Lets hope and wish for great things to happen in this fight. Who knows some people may change there minds about her.

I am wishing good things would happen but after chapter after chapter I'm becoming more hopeless.