Whats wrong with syria

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Why dont they kill their leader already?

 

[The Big Boss]

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your going to get banned today

 

[GenKiDama]

this is more or less true in some cases.

 

[Erin]

I thought you were gone for good.

~welcome back~

 

[H4RRI50N]

hahahahaha

 

[Troyg39]

I hope they don't ban you for this. I find this slightly humorous but then again Hitler can be a sensitive subject and dnot everyone would find the humor in being compared to him. It's a little extreme to describe the mods but still it's funny a little

 

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I hope they don't ban you for this. I find this slightly humorous but then again Hitler can be a sensitive subject and dnot everyone would find the humor in being compared to him. It's a little extreme to describe the mods but still it's funny a little

Its been 80 years get over it

 

[Shadou]

I see what you did there.....

 

[3MESSIAH]

you just changed it to syria WTF XDXD

 

[Deuz]

They don`t just want to kill their leader, they want to rule the entire world.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

When it comes to Syria...it is because the number of people in revolution as well as the social frames and screens don't entirely match up what the Media has reported.

I don't expect you to read all of this; however, when you compare it to the Egyptian Revolution (which was successful) it makes it clear as day as to why they did not kill the leader yet.

Spoiler

While the Arab Spring is the recent spring of political reforms that has swept around many of the Middle Eastern states, they were influenced or caused by many of the other components of the Model including the Social Sphere, Corporate Sphere, and even the Networks. However, the Cultural Screen Images and Frame Values played one of the largest influences in the instigation of the Arab Spring. Although the Arab Spring encompasses all of the Middle East, the focus of this paper will centralize around comparisons between Egypt and Syria’s cultural frames and screens.

As far as Screen Images go, Syria and Egypt predominantly have the same Images from the view of the protesters. Both wish to end the corruption of the ruling government. As Soraya Nelson’s, a member of the National Public Radio, article was titled, the Egyptian protesters demanded the end to President Mubarak’s regime . Similarly, Syrian rebels wished to end the rule of the Baath one party government and President Al-Assad. From a governmental stand point, however, there are some contrasts to the screen images. From Egypt’s prospective, the demonstrations were viewed literally as protests. President Mubarak attempted to make reforms that would please the people; however, the increasing protesters eventually forced him out of office with his resignation. As a polar opposite to this, President Al-Assad created a screen image of being willing to crack down against his own people when allowed for those attempting to protest to get attacked. Furthermore, Hania Mourtada, reporter for the New York Times, reported that President Al-Assad views the rebels as, “An insidious Western attempt to recolonize his country,” . Also, Al-Assad has apparently stated that he will not negotiate nor will he compromise with the insurgency .


Due to this difference of Screen Images from the governments, the reactions of the people ended up vastly different. With Egypt, the Screen Image of the government that recognized protests, the people were able to press their demands and create social reform. Unlike this, Al-Assad’s Screen Image of rebel terrorists caused mass numbers of protesters to refuse to be actively engaged for fear of being killed. More importantly, these Screen Images played a key role in identifying the Frame Values that were actively taking place in Egypt and Syria. With Egypt, the Screen Values on democracy and abolishing a corrupt government turn out to be Frame Values as not only did they manage to oust Mubarak, but they are still currently protesting the subsequent President under the context that the new President is also attempting to establish a dictatorship like regime.


The people of Egypt hold a Frame Value of Democracy and a desire to end corruption in their country. This was initially shown through the protests that ended President Mubarak’s regime. During the 2011 protests, there were an estimated number of around 2 million people protesting in Cairo’s Tahrir Square . With a population of about 80 million, there was about 2.5% of the nation’s population protesting in just one city alone let alone other major cities such as Alexandria as well as from places around the world. On top of that, the Egyptian people did not settle for whoever stepped in behind Mubarak. Despite being a newly appointed President following the protests, President Morsi is also being protested by increasing waves of violent protests as the Egyptian people have been unable to establish their democratic Frame Value for the last two years . As described by a protester named Mohammad Mokbel, the new protests are being met with tear gas canisters, and that the protesters are the ones upholding the law and rights for peaceful expression .The fact that the protests did not stop with the fall of Mubarak, but continue despite a new President reveals that the Egyptian people hold a frame value to the aspect of Democracy as well as the stance against corruption.


Syria’s Frame Values, unlike Egypt’s, do not match up with the screen values that the Syrian protestors had initially put up. The initial protesters in Syria were pushing for political reform to end the one party rule by Al-Assad and his Baath Party; however, with the clashing Screen Images of the protesters and Al-Assad’s government, civil war has broken out in Syria as opposed to the protests that have been occurring in Egypt. The current clashes in Syria are between the Syrian Government, and the various rebel groups that have been noticeably classified as the ‘Free Syrian Army’ by the media. The first thing to shed light on is the idea of the Free Syrian Army. The Free Syrian Army is composed of about 140, 000 soldiers . With a population of about 22 million, the rebel forces stand at merely 0.63% of their total population.


In March of the current year, Free Syrian forces pushed into the northern province of Raqqa, and secured the province’s governor. However, the forces that captured the city have turned out to be a unified force of two different rebel groups. The comprising groups were the Islamic Front for Unity and Liberation and the Shura Council Front . Furthermore, when one of the rebel leaders spoke during their celebration video, he denied claiming this as a victory for the Free Syrian Army. Instead, this leader of the Islamic Front for Unity and Liberation said, “The seizure of the palace was a victory for the ‘Islamic fronts’,” .


On top of existing as a series of coordinating rebel groups, the people of Syria are beginning to fear the idea of an Islamic extremist movement. One example of this came from the assassination of the Defense Minister of Syria in a car bombing incident . In a village outside of Aleppo, a major scene of contention in the civil war, villagers were quoted as saying, “We don’t want Al-Qaeda, We told fighters with a religious bent not to bring their ideologies here,” . Also, researcher for the New American Foundation noted that increasing ‘jihadists’ (in quotes because they cannot be jihadists without a sanctioned jihad) have been trickling in from some neighboring countries such as Iraq and Saudi Arabia . Finally, the growing fears of an Islamic theocracy being established are being pressed by the Al-Nusra Front of the Free Syrian Army. This group has pledged their allegiance with Al-Qaeda according to analysts . The Al-Nusra Front is also reportedly one of Syria’s fiercest rebel groups taking action. As such, if the revolutionary forces did manage to secure a victory over the Baath Party regime, then most likely the key contributing groups will be able to establish themselves as the key figures. With an Al-Qaeda allying force being one of the forefront activists, this means that they will have an important role in the overtaking regime, and further presents the key Frame Value difference between the protesters in Syria and Egypt.


Where the people of Egypt moved behind their protest and reinforced their Screen Images as Frame Values, the Syrian rebels have not. While they project screen images wishing to topple the corruption of the Baath party, the various factions of the Free Syrian Army are placing their Frame Values in establishing an Islamic based theocracy. Because of this, the masses of the Syrian people cannot support the actions of the rebels as their Frame Values are clashing with those of the rebels. It is precisely because of this difference of Frame Values and Screen Images that has shaped the current situation existing in both nations.


Egypt stands in a state of protest because the people of their nation are firmly standing for both their Frame Values and Screen images. After ousting Mubarak, the people of Egypt refuse to allow another regime to establish, and they push for democracy. In contrast, Syria is stuck in a state of civil war. The people of Syria cannot go out against the government for their individual reasons because Al-Assad projects a willingness to crack down on anyone who opposes his regime by labeling them terrorists. After that, the Free Syrian Army’s Screen Images are not matching their frame values. While they claim to stand for the people and wish to end a corrupt government, their actions and words stand for a Frame Value that wishes to establish an Islamic Emirate. The Syrian people cannot speak out against the government without being killed. Likewise, they cannot fight the government with the Free Syrian Army because it stands for a Frame Value that does not match what the Syrian people want.

Sources​

Admin. "Estimated 2 Million People Protest In _ Around Tahrir Square In Cairo Egypt." CNewsworld.com. CNewsworld, 27 Apr. 2011. Web. 29 Apr. 2013

AFP. "Nusra Pledge to Qaeda Boosts Syria Regime: Analysts." Ahram.com. Ahram Online, 13 Apr. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Barfi, Barak. "Under Syrian Shells." NYTimes.com. The New York Times Company, 14 Sept. 2012. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Kirkpatrick, David D. "Cairo Activist Fighting Tear Gas With Tear Gas." NYTimes.com. The New York Time Company, 05 Feb. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Mourtada, Hania. "Assad Frames Syrian Struggle as Him Against Western Colonizers." NYTimes.com. The New York Times Company, 17 Apr. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Nelson, Soraya S. "Egyptian Protesters Demand End To Mubarak's Rule." NPR.org. NPR, 25 Jan. 2011. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Stack, Liam, and Hania. "Syrian Rebels Interview Captured Government Officials." NYTimes.com. The New York Times Company, 07 Mar. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013

Zakaria, Fareed. "What We Need to Know about Syria." CNN.com. Turner Broadcasting System Inc, 18 July 2012. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

 

[Krauq]

They need to turn Israel into a Jew glass factory, but they won't because we're on Israel's side. I might be wrong though.

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

Welcome back.

 

[6ari8]

They're trying to. I really hope that bast**d gets what he deserves.

I've been to Syria 4 times when I was a kid, it's a beautiful country but the people are severely poor (robbed by the gov) and the country is very underdeveloped that they don't even have any of the famous restaurant chains.

 

[Zombie]

'what's wrong with syria'

You forgot to capitalize the S as it's a proper noun. Should probably include a question mark too, as it's a question.

 

[KiraGirl K]

OMG! KGB Kakuzu...!!!
I'm shocked !!!

_@:
-but in a positive way.:hooray:

Did you write this?

And even if you didn't write it:

Do you read something like this in your free time? Are you part of political debate group or something???

Your comments to world politics at NB are partially even better than your comments regarding Naruto or OP , or at least at the same level.
=D
I'ts amazing!

 

[YowYan]

When it comes to Syria...it is because the number of people in revolution as well as the social frames and screens don't entirely match up what the Media has reported.

I don't expect you to read all of this; however, when you compare it to the Egyptian Revolution (which was successful) it makes it clear as day as to why they did not kill the leader yet.

Spoiler

While the Arab Spring is the recent spring of political reforms that has swept around many of the Middle Eastern states, they were influenced or caused by many of the other components of the Model including the Social Sphere, Corporate Sphere, and even the Networks. However, the Cultural Screen Images and Frame Values played one of the largest influences in the instigation of the Arab Spring. Although the Arab Spring encompasses all of the Middle East, the focus of this paper will centralize around comparisons between Egypt and Syria’s cultural frames and screens.

As far as Screen Images go, Syria and Egypt predominantly have the same Images from the view of the protesters. Both wish to end the corruption of the ruling government. As Soraya Nelson’s, a member of the National Public Radio, article was titled, the Egyptian protesters demanded the end to President Mubarak’s regime . Similarly, Syrian rebels wished to end the rule of the Baath one party government and President Al-Assad. From a governmental stand point, however, there are some contrasts to the screen images. From Egypt’s prospective, the demonstrations were viewed literally as protests. President Mubarak attempted to make reforms that would please the people; however, the increasing protesters eventually forced him out of office with his resignation. As a polar opposite to this, President Al-Assad created a screen image of being willing to crack down against his own people when allowed for those attempting to protest to get attacked. Furthermore, Hania Mourtada, reporter for the New York Times, reported that President Al-Assad views the rebels as, “An insidious Western attempt to recolonize his country,” . Also, Al-Assad has apparently stated that he will not negotiate nor will he compromise with the insurgency .


Due to this difference of Screen Images from the governments, the reactions of the people ended up vastly different. With Egypt, the Screen Image of the government that recognized protests, the people were able to press their demands and create social reform. Unlike this, Al-Assad’s Screen Image of rebel terrorists caused mass numbers of protesters to refuse to be actively engaged for fear of being killed. More importantly, these Screen Images played a key role in identifying the Frame Values that were actively taking place in Egypt and Syria. With Egypt, the Screen Values on democracy and abolishing a corrupt government turn out to be Frame Values as not only did they manage to oust Mubarak, but they are still currently protesting the subsequent President under the context that the new President is also attempting to establish a dictatorship like regime.


The people of Egypt hold a Frame Value of Democracy and a desire to end corruption in their country. This was initially shown through the protests that ended President Mubarak’s regime. During the 2011 protests, there were an estimated number of around 2 million people protesting in Cairo’s Tahrir Square . With a population of about 80 million, there was about 2.5% of the nation’s population protesting in just one city alone let alone other major cities such as Alexandria as well as from places around the world. On top of that, the Egyptian people did not settle for whoever stepped in behind Mubarak. Despite being a newly appointed President following the protests, President Morsi is also being protested by increasing waves of violent protests as the Egyptian people have been unable to establish their democratic Frame Value for the last two years . As described by a protester named Mohammad Mokbel, the new protests are being met with tear gas canisters, and that the protesters are the ones upholding the law and rights for peaceful expression .The fact that the protests did not stop with the fall of Mubarak, but continue despite a new President reveals that the Egyptian people hold a frame value to the aspect of Democracy as well as the stance against corruption.


Syria’s Frame Values, unlike Egypt’s, do not match up with the screen values that the Syrian protestors had initially put up. The initial protesters in Syria were pushing for political reform to end the one party rule by Al-Assad and his Baath Party; however, with the clashing Screen Images of the protesters and Al-Assad’s government, civil war has broken out in Syria as opposed to the protests that have been occurring in Egypt. The current clashes in Syria are between the Syrian Government, and the various rebel groups that have been noticeably classified as the ‘Free Syrian Army’ by the media. The first thing to shed light on is the idea of the Free Syrian Army. The Free Syrian Army is composed of about 140, 000 soldiers . With a population of about 22 million, the rebel forces stand at merely 0.63% of their total population.


In March of the current year, Free Syrian forces pushed into the northern province of Raqqa, and secured the province’s governor. However, the forces that captured the city have turned out to be a unified force of two different rebel groups. The comprising groups were the Islamic Front for Unity and Liberation and the Shura Council Front . Furthermore, when one of the rebel leaders spoke during their celebration video, he denied claiming this as a victory for the Free Syrian Army. Instead, this leader of the Islamic Front for Unity and Liberation said, “The seizure of the palace was a victory for the ‘Islamic fronts’,” .


On top of existing as a series of coordinating rebel groups, the people of Syria are beginning to fear the idea of an Islamic extremist movement. One example of this came from the assassination of the Defense Minister of Syria in a car bombing incident . In a village outside of Aleppo, a major scene of contention in the civil war, villagers were quoted as saying, “We don’t want Al-Qaeda, We told fighters with a religious bent not to bring their ideologies here,” . Also, researcher for the New American Foundation noted that increasing ‘jihadists’ (in quotes because they cannot be jihadists without a sanctioned jihad) have been trickling in from some neighboring countries such as Iraq and Saudi Arabia . Finally, the growing fears of an Islamic theocracy being established are being pressed by the Al-Nusra Front of the Free Syrian Army. This group has pledged their allegiance with Al-Qaeda according to analysts . The Al-Nusra Front is also reportedly one of Syria’s fiercest rebel groups taking action. As such, if the revolutionary forces did manage to secure a victory over the Baath Party regime, then most likely the key contributing groups will be able to establish themselves as the key figures. With an Al-Qaeda allying force being one of the forefront activists, this means that they will have an important role in the overtaking regime, and further presents the key Frame Value difference between the protesters in Syria and Egypt.


Where the people of Egypt moved behind their protest and reinforced their Screen Images as Frame Values, the Syrian rebels have not. While they project screen images wishing to topple the corruption of the Baath party, the various factions of the Free Syrian Army are placing their Frame Values in establishing an Islamic based theocracy. Because of this, the masses of the Syrian people cannot support the actions of the rebels as their Frame Values are clashing with those of the rebels. It is precisely because of this difference of Frame Values and Screen Images that has shaped the current situation existing in both nations.


Egypt stands in a state of protest because the people of their nation are firmly standing for both their Frame Values and Screen images. After ousting Mubarak, the people of Egypt refuse to allow another regime to establish, and they push for democracy. In contrast, Syria is stuck in a state of civil war. The people of Syria cannot go out against the government for their individual reasons because Al-Assad projects a willingness to crack down on anyone who opposes his regime by labeling them terrorists. After that, the Free Syrian Army’s Screen Images are not matching their frame values. While they claim to stand for the people and wish to end a corrupt government, their actions and words stand for a Frame Value that wishes to establish an Islamic Emirate. The Syrian people cannot speak out against the government without being killed. Likewise, they cannot fight the government with the Free Syrian Army because it stands for a Frame Value that does not match what the Syrian people want.

Sources​

Admin. "Estimated 2 Million People Protest In _ Around Tahrir Square In Cairo Egypt." CNewsworld.com. CNewsworld, 27 Apr. 2011. Web. 29 Apr. 2013

AFP. "Nusra Pledge to Qaeda Boosts Syria Regime: Analysts." Ahram.com. Ahram Online, 13 Apr. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Barfi, Barak. "Under Syrian Shells." NYTimes.com. The New York Times Company, 14 Sept. 2012. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Kirkpatrick, David D. "Cairo Activist Fighting Tear Gas With Tear Gas." NYTimes.com. The New York Time Company, 05 Feb. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Mourtada, Hania. "Assad Frames Syrian Struggle as Him Against Western Colonizers." NYTimes.com. The New York Times Company, 17 Apr. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Nelson, Soraya S. "Egyptian Protesters Demand End To Mubarak's Rule." NPR.org. NPR, 25 Jan. 2011. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Stack, Liam, and Hania. "Syrian Rebels Interview Captured Government Officials." NYTimes.com. The New York Times Company, 07 Mar. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013

Zakaria, Fareed. "What We Need to Know about Syria." CNN.com. Turner Broadcasting System Inc, 18 July 2012. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Succesfull? Didn't they get a new president that also turned out to be a crook? Not certain about this, just asking.

 

[Grim]

Why would they do that ? so that Americans can put they're man in charge? O_O