[Discussion] What we KNOW/can Assume about Tobi. *spoilers

naruto2218

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Hey guys. I decided since Kishi is going to reveal who tobi is soon, I'd take the time to formulate my own predictions. Instead of telling you who I think Tobi is and why, I'm going to go over the things we know about Tobi or could assume, and what those might mean.

Tobi has NEVER deactivated his sharingan and covered one eye for almost the entirety of the time we've seen him. We can assume he is trying to conserve chakra and because of this we may assume that not only he is not madara, he is not an uchiha at all despite his incredible handling of the eyejutsu. This is not certain, but it is most likely true because no reason has been given otherwise. Tobi does have the hairtype that is typical of Uchiha, though. Also another theory is that Tobi has more than enough power to keep an eye always activated and kept another covered unless he really needed it.

Tobi knows a lot about the Sage of the Six Paths and his sons, despite everyone else in the series thinking they are mere myths. This could mean he is one of the 2 sons or he just is very knowledgeable.

Tobi was able to convince Madara to fight the first hokage for the senju cells; we know Tobi is old. Tobi also told Madara about Nagato's revival ability and that he would be resurrected if he died. I assume Nagato was around 30 years old when he died and it is VERY peculiar how Madara knew about someone who wasn't even born during his time. I'm not sure how this works out. Feel free to debate about this. All we know is Madara and Tobi had a plan and shared secrets.

Tobi is extending his life via Zetsu/Time warping. Tobi has lost many Zetsu-like body parts in the manga so far just to back up the talk. Also, it has been shown that Tobi's realm is timeless. These things both help to show how someone who is possibly a few hundred years could still be alive.

Tobi only has one jutsu as Kakashi said in the latest chapter. Could he be like a controlled Pain who only had one ability? I have no idea what this could implicate.

Tobi knows everything about the tailed beasts. The sage of the six paths and his sons are the only ones who knew that the tailed beasts were one before it was split into 9.

When Tobi was telling Sasuke about how Madara attacked his little brother for his eyes, he gripped onto his sleeve and was obviously upset about this for some reason. After we found out Tobi was not Madara and his brother DID die, this scene is slightly confusing. The only thing I can think of is that the sage's older son attacked the younger for the inheritance. This could be related.

Kisame believed Tobi was madara when he told him and showed his face. Therefor, Tobi must look somewhat like an Uchiha. This goes against some of the other stuff we've learned, but so many things clash we can't worry about it all.

Tobi wants peace through control, which was the sage's older son's idea, however after being betrayed by his brother and watching his father's jutsu being used to harm others, the younger brother could very well of changed his entire view. Still, there are a few others who hold this ideaset.

Any facts about Tobi i missed? I don't yet have a definite idea who he could be, but I want to have all the things we do know together to theorize for myself.
 

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1. When in the hell did he convince Madara to fight Hashi?
2. Tobi has a lot more than one jutsu. His fire barrier and chakra chains are two techniques he has used before.
 

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When Tobi was telling Sasuke about how Madara attacked
his little brother for his eyes, he gripped onto his sleeve and was obviously upset about this
for some reason. After we found out Tobi was not Madara and his brother DID die, this
scene is slightly confusing.
Alright so I been on the base for a while now and havent really posted alot.But after reading
this I when to Narutopedia to check it out.But then I found something else.So I was searching Tobi
and every Uchiha(that we know of so far) and I was comparing Tobi bio with every other Uchiha.
So when I was comparing Tobi to Izuna I realized that both Tobi and Izuna are almost the same height
(175.0 cm)and the exact same weight(55.9 kg).Search it on Narutopedia if you dont believe me.
That was just a observation I made,I know this isn't a 100% way to prove that Izuna is Tobi but I
thought I just share it on the base.It would also explain why Tobi was upset when he was
talking to Sasuke about Madara taking Izuna's eyes because TOBI IS IZUNA!!!


Kisame believed Tobi was Madara when he told him and
showed his face. Therefor, Tobi must look somewhat like an Uchiha. This goes against some
of the other stuff we've learned, but so many things clash we can't worry about it all.
^^^So this would explain why Kisame thought Tobi/Izuna was Madara.Cause Izuna does
look like a stereotypical Uchiha and Kisame probably assume from his old age and his sharingan
that he was Madara.

Extra Thoughts

The reason Tobi/Izuna hasnt deactived his sharingan is because Mardara has his eyes(in order for him
to have had his EMS).So now Izuna is eyeless so he need replacements so when a young Uchiha(Obito)
was crush by boulders in the Third Shinobi War that gave Madara(still alive but in hiding with Izuna) the opportunity to
take Obito's half crushed body and take his left eye for his brother.So now Izuna/Tobi cant deactive his sharingan
cause he has Obito's left eye.

Now its after Madara's death and Tobi/Izuna is still alive.Now Tobi/Izuna need someone with a strong will
power that can handle the Rinnegan power,so that when he found Nagato.So when Tobi/Izuna says he gave
Nagato the Rinnegan it was true cause it was his brother Madara's Rinnegan.That explains why when Madara
was resurrected he said "Nagato" because he was expecting to be revived by the Outer Path: Samsara of
Heavenly Life Technique.

It would also explain why he know so much about Madara,his rivalry with Hashirama,the Uchihas,
the Mangekyō Sharingan and the Rinnegan.

Ohh yeah,I almost forgot,above when I was talking about Izuna/Tobi's sharingan being Obito's sharingan that would
explain why Tobi/Izuna has a simliar technique with Kakashi cause they both have Obito's eyes.

Please don't flame I just made an observation about the height and weight thing between Tobi and Izuna.I know
there are probably many flaws in my theory feel free to comment about any errors in my theory.Any errors you guy see
I'll try to make sense of them.So please comment.
 

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Alright so I been on the base for a while now and havent really posted alot.But after reading
this I when to Narutopedia to check it out.But then I found something else.So I was searching Tobi
and every Uchiha(that we know of so far) and I was comparing Tobi bio with every other Uchiha.
So when I was comparing Tobi to Izuna I realized that both Tobi and Izuna are almost the same height
(175.0 cm)and the exact same weight(55.9 kg).Search it on Narutopedia if you dont believe me.
That was just a observation I made,I know this isn't a 100% way to prove that Izuna is Tobi but I
thought I just share it on the base.It would also explain why Tobi was upset when he was
talking to Sasuke about Madara taking Izuna's eyes because TOBI IS IZUNA!!!




^^^So this would explain why Kisame thought Tobi/Izuna was Madara.Cause Izuna does
look like a stereotypical Uchiha and Kisame probably assume from his old age and his sharingan
that he was Madara.

Extra Thoughts

The reason Tobi/Izuna hasnt deactived his sharingan is because Mardara has his eyes(in order for him
to have had his EMS).So now Izuna is eyeless so he need replacements so when a young Uchiha(Obito)
was crush by boulders in the Third Shinobi War that gave Madara(still alive but in hiding with Izuna) the opportunity to
take Obito's half crushed body and take his left eye for his brother.So now Izuna/Tobi cant deactive his sharingan
cause he has Obito's left eye.

Now its after Madara's death and Tobi/Izuna is still alive.Now Tobi/Izuna need someone with a strong will
power that can handle the Rinnegan power,so that when he found Nagato.So when Tobi/Izuna says he gave
Nagato the Rinnegan it was true cause it was his brother Madara's Rinnegan.That explains why when Madara
was resurrected he said "Nagato" because he was expecting to be revived by the Outer Path: Samsara of
Heavenly Life Technique.

It would also explain why he know so much about Madara,his rivalry with Hashirama,the Uchihas,
the Mangekyō Sharingan and the Rinnegan.

Ohh yeah,I almost forgot,above when I was talking about Izuna/Tobi's sharingan being Obito's sharingan that would
explain why Tobi/Izuna has a simliar technique with Kakashi cause they both have Obito's eyes.

Please don't flame I just made an observation about the height and weight thing between Tobi and Izuna.I know
there are probably many flaws in my theory feel free to comment about any errors in my theory.Any errors you guy see
I'll try to make sense of them.So please comment.
Def good observations. Helps solidify him as a VERY possible candidate. Every character has some things that are for and against them being tobi, but Izuna is a character who has the least amount clashing.
 

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For anyone who sees this on the base,I think my post and theory was correct because after the people who run the base fix the site's problems my thread I made about whats written above was deleted.I'm not 100% sure but I think that's the reason why my thread was deleted.
 
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