[Spoilers] What today's chapter actually did.

[Kashi1409]

I dont mean recognizing his face
But his movements or his voice

And i am not sure if guy and kakashi really know tobi
Even if it sounds like
But i mean kakashi is a famous shinobi
Maybe he said it because it is know that he opens his mouth so easily
And regarding to guy maybe he saw it trough zetsu who recorded the fights between guy and kisame
And he just want to say
Even if he takes his mask off guy wouldnt be able to recognize him
No matter if they met before or not

(Of course this is all a guess)

I hope tobi is not a shinobi we know
This would destroy everything

 

[Minato x]

They can recognize Tobi if he was Fugaku but not if he was Izuna or Kagami.

 

[chopstickchakra]

yupp, but there are still some of plot holes... for example the age of obito when tobi had to fight yellow flash

If you go back and look at that, Kakashi was a jonin and almost at full height at that point, to assume Obito would not have grown up if he survived is crazy. Obito would be around 17-19 during Minato's fight.

not true, obito was young when tobi attacked the village its like
obito 12 year old = 142 - ninja world xD
tobi 22 year old = 142 ninja world
so he is not obito

Why do people always assume the masked man who attacked Minato is the same masked man as now? There's a reason people wear masks so they can hide illness, weakness and DEATH, maybe there's a new face behind the Tobi mask.

Dont u think minato would have been able to recognize his own student when fighting him?

Minato says something along the lines that makes you believe he did know the person he was fighting.

 

[Minato x]

No, the Kyubi Incident happened 1 - 1 1/2 years after the Kakashi Gaiden part.

 

[Deidera]

Kakashi was 16 when the Kyuubi incident occurred,which means it was 3 years after Obito had died since he was 13 then.
I don't like saying this ,but that 3 year span could have been enough for him to learn things like S/T techs ...etc with the real Madara albeit that doesn't answer why he'd kill his clan or say things like 'you got to hand it to the 4th hokage' or .....etc

 

[Minato x]

^ Not true.

Kakashi was 13 when he became Jonin - when Obito died = > Obito was 13 too.

Kakashi is 26-27 years old during Part I, where Naruto is 12.

Kyubi Incident happened on Naruto's birth.

26 - 12 = 14
27 - 12 = 15.

Meaning Kakashi was either 14 or 15 during the Incident.
This also means Obito was 14 or 15 too, which means the Incident happened 1-2 years after Obito's death.

 

[Deidera]

It happened 3 years after his death because Kakashi was 16 too
And btw,Tobi did lie when he told Konan that he convinced Yahiko and Nagato to form akatsuki because it was the real Madara who did that,also about the renigaan as well.

 

[Minato x]

At the Kakashi Gaiden it was told that Kakashi was 13 and he became a Jonin from that age which is impressive.

Kakashi was 26-27 at Part I, PTS Manga.
Since the Kyubi Incident happened on Naruto's birth and Naruto was 12 when Kakashi was 26-27 then we use simple maths :

26 - 12 = 14
27 - 12 = 15

So he was either 14-15, but since Kakashi and Obito were team-mates as kids, it means Obito was 14-15 too.

If Kakashi was 13 at Kakashi Gaiden and the Kyubi Incident happened when Kakashi was 14-15, then the Incident happened 1-2 years after the Gaiden / when Obito died.

 

[Rot]

I don't think the Kyuubi Incident Tobi was the Tobi now, the Kyuubi one was Madara in my opinion before Rinnegan/weakened state/close to death

Reason I believe that is:

1.Madara could control Kyuubi without being its host
2.Madara had more reason to kill the Uchiha clan then Obito did
3.Madara knew Nagato so we know he was alive near the time as Nagato is slightly older then Naruto, i say 20-25, this is further confirmed by Itachi experiencing war, meaning Nagato/Itachi should be around the same age

4.The K/I Tobi wore a cloak/hood from what I recall so not sure on his hair length

The question is when did Madara die and new Tobi take over ? I think current Tobi could be Obito who was saved by Madara/Zetsu and then white washed away, we have seen how intimidating Madara can be just from talking..years of that on a child like Obito who was very prideful about his clan and not only that but Madara was a legendary Uchiha so Obito would of been very content just being in his presence, none the less being raised/trained by him

Would be like you were going to die and your favorite hero..lets say Batman came and saved you then raised and trained you to be Robin

Although its more like the Joker training Harley Quinn in this case

 

[itachifangirls]

he said the face thing to guy because guy had a hard time remembering kisame.

 

[Minato x]

I don't think the Kyuubi Incident Tobi was the Tobi now, the Kyuubi one was Madara in my opinion before Rinnegan/weakened state/close to death

Reason I believe that is:

1.Madara could control Kyuubi without being its host
2.Madara had more reason to kill the Uchiha clan then Obito did
3.Madara knew Nagato so we know he was alive near the time as Nagato is slightly older then Naruto, i say 20-25, this is further confirmed by Itachi experiencing war, meaning Nagato/Itachi should be around the same age

4.The K/I Tobi wore a cloak/hood from what I recall so not sure on his hair length

The question is when did Madara die and new Tobi take over ? I think current Tobi could be Obito who was saved by Madara/Zetsu and then white washed away, we have seen how intimidating Madara can be just from talking..years of that on a child like Obito who was very prideful about his clan and not only that but Madara was a legendary Uchiha so Obito would of been very content just being in his presence, none the less being raised/trained by him

Would be like you were going to die and your favorite hero..lets say Batman came and saved you then raised and trained you to be Robin

Although its more like the Joker training Harley Quinn in this case

I've had the thought of Masked Man w/ long hair and flame mask = real Madara (weakened state) ; Masked Man w/ short hair and spiral mask = Tobi (the one we know now).

After Madara dies, Tobi takes his personality because they were accomplices.
I also think it's the real Madara who controlled the 4th Mizukage.

 

[xjustin357]

The real problem is that if there were 2 different masked mans...the anime messed up because the two masked mans have the same voice actor

 

[boshans]

At the Kakashi Gaiden it was told that Kakashi was 13 and he became a Jonin from that age which is impressive.

Kakashi was 26-27 at Part I, PTS Manga.
Since the Kyubi Incident happened on Naruto's birth and Naruto was 12 when Kakashi was 26-27 then we use simple maths :

26 - 12 = 14
27 - 12 = 15

So he was either 14-15, but since Kakashi and Obito were team-mates as kids, it means Obito was 14-15 too.

If Kakashi was 13 at Kakashi Gaiden and the Kyubi Incident happened when Kakashi was 14-15, then the Incident happened 1-2 years after the Gaiden / when Obito died.

I agree. I made a thread about everyone's ages a while back, you can clearly see in that thread that the War and the Kyuubi attack happened a year apart. He probably just turned 15. Kyuubi incident obviously happened in October, since that is Naruto's birthday. Kakashi's birthday is in September. So he most likely either just turned 15, or just turned 14. Third World War ended 17 years ago, Kyuubi was 16 years ago. So either way it definitely happened a YEAR after, not non of this 3 years people are saying. I personally think he was only 14 during that time, Kakashi that is.

And either way, there is a VERY distinct drawing difference between adults and adolescents in Naruto, and if you have never noticed it you are an idiot. Naruto is 16 now, and you can plainly tell that Tobi just looks older, even with Tobi completely covered in clothes and the mask. And Tobi looked like that when he fought Minato, so it couldn't have been a 15 year old Obito or whatever.

And no, there is NOT two Tobi's. I don't know how anyone can even agree with that. Do you REALLY think there are TWO people that have the EXACT same jutsu's and the exact same rare S/T jutsu? No, there isn't. The Tobi that fought Minato is the same damn Tobi that is fighting Naruto right now. The only Tobi that MIGHT have been the real Madara and not the Tobi now is when "Tobi" met Kisame back in the day. We don't know 100% for sure on that because we didn't see him use any jutsu. But since the Tobi that fought Minato DID use jutsu, we can obviously say that it is the same Tobi as now.

 

[Xerilith]

Explain to me how Obito would go to the hidden mist to form akatsuki starting with Kisame and making him believe he was Madara ,if i'm right that could have been when he was still a child.

If Im not wrong the Tobi talked Nagato into starting The Akatsuki.. -.-

 

[boshans]

I don't think the Kyuubi Incident Tobi was the Tobi now, the Kyuubi one was Madara in my opinion before Rinnegan/weakened state/close to death

Reason I believe that is:

1.Madara could control Kyuubi without being its host
2.Madara had more reason to kill the Uchiha clan then Obito did
3.Madara knew Nagato so we know he was alive near the time as Nagato is slightly older then Naruto, i say 20-25, this is further confirmed by Itachi experiencing war, meaning Nagato/Itachi should be around the same age

4.The K/I Tobi wore a cloak/hood from what I recall so not sure on his hair length

The question is when did Madara die and new Tobi take over ? I think current Tobi could be Obito who was saved by Madara/Zetsu and then white washed away, we have seen how intimidating Madara can be just from talking..years of that on a child like Obito who was very prideful about his clan and not only that but Madara was a legendary Uchiha so Obito would of been very content just being in his presence, none the less being raised/trained by him

Would be like you were going to die and your favorite hero..lets say Batman came and saved you then raised and trained you to be Robin

Although its more like the Joker training Harley Quinn in this case

I'm sorry, but Nagato is absolutely 100% not only 20-25. He is OLDER than Minato actually. He would be about 46 years old in the current time. Itachi experienced the THIRD world war. When he was 4 I believe. Which fits in perfectly, since Itachi was 21 in the current time, and the Third war ended 17 years ago. Nagato was in the SECOND world war. Which happened years before the Third. Madara should have also got the Rinnegan, and subsequently died shortly after after he gave it to Nagato basically right after he got it, 46 years ago. Nagato had the Rinnegan before he was 10 years old, according to Jiraiya, who said Nagato MASTERED all the elemental jutsu BY 10, so that means he had it before he was 10. We also know Madara himself said he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before he died, so we can only assume that he died because he gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, so the two events should coincide. Basically the real Madara was absolutely not alive during the time the Kyuubi attack happened, it's impossible.

I have all of this in my detail in a thread I made a little while ago, if you want to read it in more detail. Just search for threads I made, it should be obvious which one it is I haven't made a lot.

 

[MNU]

Thats just to make you believe that he is obito even though it is impossible IMO

 

[Minato x]

I agree. I made a thread about everyone's ages a while back, you can clearly see in that thread that the War and the Kyuubi attack happened a year apart. He probably just turned 15. Kyuubi incident obviously happened in October, since that is Naruto's birthday. Kakashi's birthday is in September. So he most likely either just turned 15, or just turned 14. Third World War ended 17 years ago, Kyuubi was 16 years ago. So either way it definitely happened a YEAR after, not non of this 3 years people are saying. I personally think he was only 14 during that time, Kakashi that is.

And either way, there is a VERY distinct drawing difference between adults and adolescents in Naruto, and if you have never noticed it you are an idiot. Naruto is 16 now, and you can plainly tell that Tobi just looks older, even with Tobi completely covered in clothes and the mask. And Tobi looked like that when he fought Minato, so it couldn't have been a 15 year old Obito or whatever.

And no, there is NOT two Tobi's. I don't know how anyone can even agree with that. Do you REALLY think there are TWO people that have the EXACT same jutsu's and the exact same rare S/T jutsu? No, there isn't. The Tobi that fought Minato is the same damn Tobi that is fighting Naruto right now. The only Tobi that MIGHT have been the real Madara and not the Tobi now is when "Tobi" met Kisame back in the day. We don't know 100% for sure on that because we didn't see him use any jutsu. But since the Tobi that fought Minato DID use jutsu, we can obviously say that it is the same Tobi as now.

The Tobi that fought Minato is most likely the one Naruto is fighting now, but probably not the one who controlled the Mizukage.

I mean, he cast Kotoamatsukami on the 4th Mizukage, Tobi doesn't have that eyepower anymore, why did it happen?
I think that Madara can cast Koto as well, or he just manipulated Shisui with some Genjutsu and then forced him to cast Genjutsu on the 4th Mizukage, since Ao states he fought Shisui.

And, you've had a very nice idea about counting months too.

 

[noted]

Maybe Tobi hides his face because it's disfigured by the crushed rocks.

 

[kent0005]

I think harishama dna accelerated obito growth and reason why he looked older when he fought minato and had help to invade konoha and attack with ninetails

 

[MissShakra]

Tobi is obvious part zetzu/madara/obito in a sense. what we are seeing here is a old and decrepit madara trying to convince a young and half destroyed uchiha to carry on his will. It seems like the whole zetzu reforming part of his body is quite a lengthy process and if hes training this whole time to join back with kakashi and rin then he could also have accepted training from madara. I think the swirly zetzu is a madara creation and he is what madara has been using to stay alive and he is now going to put that swirly zetzu into Obito so he has the strength to save his friends...but its either going to take over his mind slowly or develop him at a faster rate to where he would have been up to par with minato. Obito would have been a good choice given he would know his sensei's attacks but i also refuse to believe without major training or help, obito could have came close to touching minato...even in a two or 3 year span