What Sasuke was Sasuke going to use on team 7 ?

[SenseiSama]

Because the weather was clear and he didn't use any katon techs, it kinda suggests that he has the ability to use Kirin without prep time... Maybe he only relied on katon against Itachi because he wanted the jutsu to be as strong as possible ?

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[lndra]

Dude. Why is his hand in the air? Think about that for a second.

What jutsu does Sasuke have in his arsenal that uses the same motions?

When you get to that conclusion open this:

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If you're asking how Sasuke could use 'that' jutsu w/o preparation, it's possible that there's a form of 'that' jutsu that doesn't need prep. Just chakra.

Probably just not as strong. Who knows

 

[Cfighter]

He was quite clearly going to use Kirin. Yes it doesn't follow the logic that was later established that he needs an external source to use it, but that stance with his hand raised is a distinct stance of Kirin.

 

[Sagebee]

Are you sure the sky's were absolutely clear if so I would just chalk it up as a plothole

 

[SenseiSama]

Dude. Why is his hand in the air? Think about that for a second.

What jutsu does Sasuke have in his arsenal that uses the same motions?

When you get to that conclusion open this:

Spoiler

If you're asking how Sasuke could use 'that' jutsu w/o preparation, it's possible that there's a form of 'that' jutsu that doesn't need prep. Just chakra.

Probably just not as strong. Who knows

That was my point :lol, it's likely Kirin needs no prep time at all and Sasuke only did so against Itachi because he wanted it to make it as powerful as possible, beyond human level and more akin to this

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[Sagebee]

That was my point :lol, it's likely Kirin needs no prep time at all and Sasuke only did so against Itachi because he wanted it to make it as powerful as possible, beyond human level and more akin to this

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I think irregardless of how powerful he wants it it's still going require prep time to form storm clouds

 

[Calpal]

I think irregardless of how powerful he wants it it's still going require prep time to form storm clouds

no, theyre implying he has basically a kirin version for chidori that he can implement as quickly.

 

[To Whatever]

Kishi probably didn't develop Kirin at the time. He had the concept but allowing Sasuke to spam pure lightning with no prep is OP.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Kirin, no where does it state he can't use Kirin with his own chakra, he used it the way he did in the itachi fight due to circumstances. Although a Kirin powered strictly by ones chakra would be weaker than one by nature

 

[To Whatever]

Kirin, no where does it state he can't use Kirin with his own chakra, he used it the way he did in the itachi fight due to circumstances. Although a Kirin powered strictly by ones chakra would be weaker than one by nature

You sound stupid. Kirin was teased and fleshed out over the course of the series.

Kirin without pure lightning isn't Kirin.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You sound stupid. Kirin was teased and fleshed out over the course of the series.

Kirin without pure lightning isn't Kirin.

It was? How so? Where does it state he can't use Kirin on his own? Considering his chakra nature IS lightning it doesn't seem far fetched, it obviously wouldn't be as strong. You'd rather believe that sasuke had an unknown jutsu that starts out exactly like Kirin but was never shown or talked about again?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I think irregardless of how powerful he wants it it's still going require prep time to form storm clouds

The storm clouds where only needed cause sasuke was damn near out of chakra, that's why he launched the fireballs in anticipation, he was one step ahead of itachi in that fight

 

[To Whatever]

It was? How so? Where does it state he can't use Kirin on his own? Considering his chakra nature IS lightning it doesn't seem far fetched, it obviously wouldn't be as strong. You'd rather believe that sasuke had an unknown jutsu that starts out exactly like Kirin but was never shown or talked about again?

Kirin uses little chakra and harnesses pure lightning from clouds.

How the **** is he using Kirin?



I never said it was unknown. just that kishi didn't think Kirin through or develop it until around the fight with Itachi.

Given how Kirin is used and it's requirements. You're basically saying he can summon storm clouds at will or pull Kirin off with his own chakra, contradicting what Kirin is.

 

[Umari Senju]

My reasoning is he could use it without all the Prep. The reason he had to use his and Itachi's fire to create the Kirin out of pure lighting is because he was low on chakra and didn't have enough stored to use it on his own. So he used what little he had left to guide the pure lightning Kirin down on Itachi.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Kirin can be used without preparation. The issue with the fight with Itachi is that Sasuke was going low on chakra and hadn't enough chakra to use it normally. In order to still use it, Sasuke improvised by summoning real lightning through fire jutsu's and only using an extremely light amount of chakra to tame the lightning and use the attack.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Kirin uses little chakra and harnesses pure lightning from clouds.

How the **** is he using Kirin?



I never said it was unknown. just that kishi didn't think Kirin through or develop it until around the fight with Itachi.

Given how Kirin is used and it's requirements. You're basically saying he can summon storm clouds at will or pull Kirin off with his own chakra, contradicting what Kirin is.

Kirin doesn't harness lightning from clouds out of necessity.

Sasuke was insanely low on chakra after using Orochimaru's signature substitution. In order to still use the attack and end Itachi's life once and for all, Sasuke decided to improvise by shooting two fire techniques into the air and use a minimum amount of chakra to tame and control the lightning attack so he could kill Itachi.

The manga doesn't state that Sasuke must use real lightning, Black Zetsu merely notes that Sasuke is using real lightning for this attack for obvious reasons; low chakra. Sasuke was incredibly fresh when Team 7 hunted him down in the hideout, eliminating the need to use actual lightning.

You can't bring up one scan saying he HAS to use real lightning because he doesn't. Kirin has no plotholes.

 

[Detonator99]

Am pretty sure that is a plothole.

 

[SenseiSama]

I think irregardless of how powerful he wants it it's still going require prep time to form storm clouds

Not relly, because he didn't have any against team 7, the weather was clear you can see it in the anime. Plus he's a lightning god so it makes sense that he would be able to summon lightning at will (like the deities in mythology).

Kirin uses little chakra and harnesses pure lightning from clouds.

How the **** is he using Kirin?



I never said it was unknown. just that kishi didn't think Kirin through or develop it until around the fight with Itachi.

Given how Kirin is used and it's requirements. You're basically saying he can summon storm clouds at will or pull Kirin off with his own chakra, contradicting what Kirin is.

Indra's chakra comes from Hagoromo's Six Path Senjutsu so maybe Hagoromo's connection to nature was passed on to certain descendants with powerful affinities even if they lack SM.

Sasuke using Kirin was like Kaguya summoning lightning storms, ultimately making it a Senjutsu feat.

 

[To Whatever]

Not relly, because he didn't have any against team 7, the weather was clear you can see it in the anime. Plus he's a lightning god so it makes sense that he would be able to summon lightning at will (like the deities in mythology).





Indra's chakra comes from Hagoromo's Six Path Senjutsu so maybe Hagoromo's connection to nature was passed on to certain descendants with powerful affinities even if they lack SM.

Sasuke using Kirin was like Kaguya summoning lightning storms, ultimately making it a Senjutsu feat.

What the ****....

Each passing day people's speculations get broader and broader. It makes sense seeing how theres users who think Sakura solod Kaguya, Hinata is hamura's incarnate, and Sasuke is a planet buster.


jesus..

 

[Amenotejikara]

Sasuke said in that very same chapter that he and w/ orochi's help wouldn't be enough to defeat itachi yet when he actually fought itachi he said kirin was intended to kill him regardless. the only logical reason is that sasuke assumed kirin wouldn't be enough to kill itachi at the beginning of the fight so he had fight itachi w/o it until they both were fatigued and low on chakra then use kirin to take out a vulnerable itachi, however obviously the cons of this means sasuke too wouldn't have much chakra left to use a mountain bust technique so he planned and resorted to the clouds to fuel his technique instead. sounds exactly like something sasuke would do, after all this isn't the only time he found alternative power source to boost his techniques.