What sasuke haters need to understand about uchiha bloodline.

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The DIFFERENCE between uchiha's and other clans is.

1. uchiha's (sharingan) has TIERS. with these TIERS an uchiha can progress his own bloodline to the next lvl. no other clan has anything that remotely involve tiers and if there is one, it's no where as focused to the degree of sharingan.


2. PROS about Tiers in sharingan.. with the sharingan being able to progress from 1 tamoe to eventually 3. it becomes vastly more stronger in it's abilities.
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3. CONS about Tiers in sharingan.. with the sharingan being able to progress. their OWN bloodline limits their potential UNTIL it decides to progress to the next lvl. it is essentially forcing it's limitation on that uchiha/sharingan user. (below: 3T sasuke would not of been solo'ed by base lee)
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4. PLOT. it's quite obvious that the Tier list in sasuke's case was to keep from being too overpowered therefore forced to limit his bloodline potential until VOTE1 against naruto. then again in shippuden with his mangekyou abilities.

5. PROBLEM with this is that it gives opponents a chance to "appear" to be much stronger when in reality it is just a handicap match.

6. THE POINT is that people are dogging some of sasuke losses when in reality it's because kishi didn't allow him to progress his bloodline. there is no reason at all for sasuke to take THAT long to mature his sharingan, especially the fact it even awoken because of some "pep talk" with naruto. like seriously, give me a break kishi.

7. whenever someone tries to downplay sasuke's feats it's ALWAYS when he's not in his 3 tomoe mode or when his mangekyou sharingan barely awakened any new sharingan abilities for dramatic purposes. because kishi knows if he gives him all access to his power, he would've easily decimated most of his opponents with little difficulty.

MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN

No one finds it odd that sasuke didn't use susanoo against KB? or that he didn't use complete humanoid susanoo against Ay or that he didn't use armored susanoo against danzo but uses it when he's fatigue and nearly going blind against kakashi? or that he didn't use PS in order to help capture sage kabuto? lmao. plot reasons and nothing more.

am i really to believe that sasuke after achieving his MS he didn't find out he had amaterasu prior to facing KB? LOL! look, kishi even made sasuke only use his 3T sharingan to fight KB's swordsmanship when it was confirmed fact by itachi that MS increases visual poweress.
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come on kishi. am i to believe he almost taken sasuke to nearly die if not for gaara intercepting for sasuke to use his blaze release? really kishi.
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am i really to believe that sasuke had to get his ass kicked by Ay and have another pointless pep talk with gaara just to use humanoid susanoo, then as soon as he does, he bails in order to run into onoki and mei? two kages who just so happen to have the perfect counter against sasuke? lol come on kishi
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am i really to believe sasuke couldn't use perfect susanoo(ems) to help in capturing kabuto, even thou you can clearly see sasuke having no problem using PS when he decided to merge it with naruto's kurama avatar, as well as the fact it taken sasuke this long in the war just to use it, cause why? oh right, plot convenience
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My personal opinion on this matter: I'm not a sasuke fanboy, already have previous threads that negs sasuke. so i don't have a problem with sasuke losing or struggling with opponents, my problem is when sasuke get's his ass kicked then LITERALLY right after the fight, the bastard awakens another powerup. why kishi why?! why not just give sasuke the power then get his ass kicked. it bothers me knowing that sasuke could've done this but couldn't because kishi didn't approve it yet.

Conclusion: Sasuke is a prime example of an character whose limited and can only progress when the plot needs him to. and unforunately he has a bloodline that pretty much gives kishi all the right excuses to do so, even if it's out of character. i use to argue it was because of lack of exp why sasuke lost, but honestly it's not even that. it's clearly just plot convenience. The only time he ever let's sasuke go all out is against characters who can actually handle it. ie: naruto
 
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The DIFFERENCE between uchiha's and other clans is.

1. uchiha's (sharingan) has TIERS. with these TIERS an uchiha can progress his own bloodline to the next lvl. no other clan has anything that remotely involve tiers and if there is one, it's no where as focused to the degree of sharingan.


2. PROS about Tiers in sharingan.. with the sharingan being able to progress from 1 tamoe to eventually 3. it becomes vastly more stronger in it's abilities.
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3. CONS about Tiers in sharingan.. with the sharingan being able to progress. their OWN bloodline limits their potential UNTIL it decides to progress to the next lvl. it is essentially forcing it's limitation on that uchiha/sharingan user. (below: 3T sasuke would not of been solo'ed by base lee)
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4. PLOT. it's quite obvious that the Tier list in sasuke's case was to keep from being too overpowered therefore forced to limit his bloodline potential until VOTE1 against naruto. then again in shippuden with his mangekyou abilities.

5. PROBLEM with this is that it gives opponents a chance to "appear" to be much stronger when in reality it is just a handicap match.

6. THE POINT is that people are dogging some of sasuke losses when in reality it's because kishi didn't allow him to progress his bloodline. there is no reason at all for sasuke to take THAT long to mature his sharingan, especially the fact it even awoken because of some "pep talk" with naruto. like seriously, give me a break kishi.

7. whenever someone tries to downplay sasuke's feats it's ALWAYS when he's not in his 3 tomoe mode or when his mangekyou sharingan barely awakened any new sharingan abilities for dramatic purposes. because kishi knows if he gives him all access to his power, he would've easily decimated most of his opponents with little difficulty.

MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN

No one finds it odd that sasuke didn't use susanoo against KB? or that he didn't use complete humanoid susanoo against Ay or that he didn't use armored susanoo against danzo but uses it when he's fatigue, nearly going blind against kakashi? lmao. plot reasons and nothing more.

am i really to believe that sasuke after achieving his MS didn't find out he had amaterasu prior to facing KB? LOL! look, kishi even made sasuke only use his 3T sharingan to fight KB's swordsmanship when it was confirmed fact by itachi that MS increases visual poweress.
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come on kishi. am i to believe he almost taken sasuke to nearly die if not for gaara intercepting for sasuke to use his blaze release? really kishi.
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am i really to believe that sasuke had to get his ass kicked by Ay and have another pointless pep talk with gaara just to use humanoid susanoo, then as soon as he does, he bails in order to run into onoki and mei? two kages who just so happen to have the perfect counter against sasuke? lol come on kishi
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My personal opinion on this matter: I'm not a sasuke fanboy, already have previous threads that negs sasuke. i don't have a problem with sasuke losing or struggling with opponents, my problem is when sasuke get's his ass kicked then LITERALLY right after the fight, the bastard awakens another powerup. why kishi why?! why not just give sasuke the power then get his ass kicked. it bothers me knowing that sasuke could've done this but couldn't because kishi didn't approve it yet.

Conclusion: Sasuke is a prime example of an character whose limited and can only progress when the plot needs him to. and unforunately he has a bloodline that pretty much gives kishi all the right excuses to do so, even if it's out of character. i use to argue it was because of lack of exp why sasuke lost, but honestly it's not even that. it's clearly just plot convenience. The only time he ever let's sasuke go all out is against characters who can actually handle it. ie: naruto
That's not just sasuke, it happens to naruto as well. Take a look at the gaiden sequel... those villains were too weak for them but kishimoto nerfed them by calling them rusty,etc.
 

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My personal opinion on this matter: I'm not a sasuke fanboy, already have previous threads that negs sasuke. i don't have a problem with sasuke losing or struggling with opponents, my problem is when sasuke get's his ass kicked then LITERALLY right after the fight, the bastard awakens another powerup. why kishi why?! why not just give sasuke the power then get his ass kicked. it bothers me knowing that sasuke could've done this but couldn't because kishi didn't approve it yet.


It's pretty simple really.

Sharingan is linked to the persons emotions, Kishi has portrayed this throughout the manga.

Sasuke unlocked 1T against his brother from Pain of loss/anger.
Uncloked 3T when having a heart to heart with naruto and put on his headband to show respect.
Unlocked MS through the pain of loss and hearing the truth of itachi
Unlocked Amaterasu when protecting his team from the 8tails
Unlocked his ability to control/extinguish amaterasu when karins life was in danger because of his own attack
Unlocked higher tier of susanoo when danzo told him the truth about his clan, Then again once danzo has paralyzed him and he was remembering itachi, Then again when showing intense anger/hate again the leaf.

Sarada unlocked hers due to emotion

Itachi unlocked his MS due to the pain of loss

Obito unlocked his sharingan when kakashi was in danger and his MS when he saw rin die.
 

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My personal opinion on this matter: I'm not a sasuke fanboy, already have previous threads that negs sasuke. i don't have a problem with Sasuke losing or struggling with opponents, my problem is when Sasuke get's his ass kicked then LITERALLY right after the fight, the bastard awakens another powerup. why Kishi why?! why not just give Sasuke the power then get his ass kicked. it bothers me knowing that Sasuke could've done this but couldn't because Kishi didn't approve it yet.

Conclusion: Sasuke is a prime example of a character whose limited and can only progress when the plot needs him to. and unfortunately he has a bloodline that pretty much gives Kishi all the right excuses to do so, even if it's out of character. I use to argue it was because of lack of exp why Sasuke lost, but honestly, it's not even that. it's clearly just plot convenience. The only time he ever let's Sasuke go all out is against characters who can actually handle it. ie: naruto
IMO, after Itachi's death, all Part 2 felt rushed which is why Sasuke was testing his abilities most of the time.

That's Shounen manga for you.
 
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It's pretty simple really.

Sharingan is linked to the persons emotions, Kishi has portrayed this throughout the manga.

Sasuke unlocked 1T against his brother from Pain of loss/anger.
Uncloked 3T when having a heart to heart with naruto and put on his headband to show respect.
Unlocked MS through the pain of loss and hearing the truth of itachi
Unlocked Amaterasu when protecting his team from the 8tails
Unlocked his ability to control/extinguish amaterasu when karins life was in danger because of his own attack
Unlocked higher tier of susanoo when danzo told him the truth about his clan, Then again once danzo has paralyzed him and he was remembering itachi, Then again when showing intense anger/hate again the leaf.

Sarada unlocked hers due to emotion

Itachi unlocked his MS due to the pain of loss

Obito unlocked his sharingan when kakashi was in danger and his MS when he saw rin die.

This ^

The sharingan, is the eye that reflects feelings, stated in the manga.

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The DIFFERENCE between uchiha's and other clans is.

1. uchiha's (sharingan) has TIERS. with these TIERS an uchiha can progress his own bloodline to the next lvl. no other clan has anything that remotely involve tiers and if there is one, it's no where as focused to the degree of sharingan.


2. PROS about Tiers in sharingan.. with the sharingan being able to progress from 1 tamoe to eventually 3. it becomes vastly more stronger in it's abilities.
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3. CONS about Tiers in sharingan.. with the sharingan being able to progress. their OWN bloodline limits their potential UNTIL it decides to progress to the next lvl. it is essentially forcing it's limitation on that uchiha/sharingan user. (below: 3T sasuke would not of been solo'ed by base lee)
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4. PLOT. it's quite obvious that the Tier list in sasuke's case was to keep from being too overpowered therefore forced to limit his bloodline potential until VOTE1 against naruto. then again in shippuden with his mangekyou abilities.

5. PROBLEM with this is that it gives opponents a chance to "appear" to be much stronger when in reality it is just a handicap match.

6. THE POINT is that people are dogging some of sasuke losses when in reality it's because kishi didn't allow him to progress his bloodline. there is no reason at all for sasuke to take THAT long to mature his sharingan, especially the fact it even awoken because of some "pep talk" with naruto. like seriously, give me a break kishi.

7. whenever someone tries to downplay sasuke's feats it's ALWAYS when he's not in his 3 tomoe mode or when his mangekyou sharingan barely awakened any new sharingan abilities for dramatic purposes. because kishi knows if he gives him all access to his power, he would've easily decimated most of his opponents with little difficulty.

MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN

No one finds it odd that sasuke didn't use susanoo against KB? or that he didn't use complete humanoid susanoo against Ay or that he didn't use armored susanoo against danzo but uses it when he's fatigue and nearly going blind against kakashi? or that he didn't use PS in order to help capture sage kabuto? lmao. plot reasons and nothing more.

am i really to believe that sasuke after achieving his MS he didn't find out he had amaterasu prior to facing KB? LOL! look, kishi even made sasuke only use his 3T sharingan to fight KB's swordsmanship when it was confirmed fact by itachi that MS increases visual poweress.
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come on kishi. am i to believe he almost taken sasuke to nearly die if not for gaara intercepting for sasuke to use his blaze release? really kishi.
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am i really to believe that sasuke had to get his ass kicked by Ay and have another pointless pep talk with gaara just to use humanoid susanoo, then as soon as he does, he bails in order to run into onoki and mei? two kages who just so happen to have the perfect counter against sasuke? lol come on kishi
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am i really to believe sasuke couldn't use perfect susanoo(ems) to help in capturing kabuto, even thou you can clearly see sasuke having no problem using PS when he decided to merge it with naruto's kurama avatar, as well as the fact it taken sasuke this long in the war just to use it.
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My personal opinion on this matter: I'm not a sasuke fanboy, already have previous threads that negs sasuke. i don't have a problem with sasuke losing or struggling with opponents, my problem is when sasuke get's his ass kicked then LITERALLY right after the fight, the bastard awakens another powerup. why kishi why?! why not just give sasuke the power then get his ass kicked. it bothers me knowing that sasuke could've done this but couldn't because kishi didn't approve it yet.

Conclusion: Sasuke is a prime example of an character whose limited and can only progress when the plot needs him to. and unforunately he has a bloodline that pretty much gives kishi all the right excuses to do so, even if it's out of character. i use to argue it was because of lack of exp why sasuke lost, but honestly it's not even that. it's clearly just plot convenience. The only time he ever let's sasuke go all out is against characters who can actually handle it. ie: naruto
The best summary for this is main character bullshit, but I agree 100% with this.
 

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Yo, stop creating excuses for Sasuke's losses. It's not going to change everyone's perception on the manga. Kishi isn't going to release a letter saying Sasuke was always nerfed. Sorry.
 

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It's pretty simple really.

Sharingan is linked to the persons emotions, Kishi has portrayed this throughout the manga.

Sasuke unlocked 1T against his brother from Pain of loss/anger.
Uncloked 3T when having a heart to heart with naruto and put on his headband to show respect.
Unlocked MS through the pain of loss and hearing the truth of itachi
Unlocked Amaterasu when protecting his team from the 8tails
Unlocked his ability to control/extinguish amaterasu when karins life was in danger because of his own attack
Unlocked higher tier of susanoo when danzo told him the truth about his clan, Then again once danzo has paralyzed him and he was remembering itachi, Then again when showing intense anger/hate again the leaf.

Sarada unlocked hers due to emotion

Itachi unlocked his MS due to the pain of loss

Obito unlocked his sharingan when kakashi was in danger and his MS when he saw rin die.

The initial unlock of sharingan and MS connected by emotions i understand. but the rest of it i just don't buy it and it's clearly plot convenience by kishi. look at obito. the moment he unlocks his, he already has 2T in both eyes. (he just completely skipped the 1st) so unless he passed out and forgot he unlocked it like sasuke did, then it's clearly just bound by kishi and less to do with emotions.

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and honestly i don't see how inorder to unlock ninjutsu requires sasuke to get emotional yet when enters the kage summit. he clearly says he "wants to test something out" (either susanoo/blaze release) implying he chose to use it and not cause of emotion. if not, what exactly is the emotional part? is it him getting butthurt that he's getting beat by ay thus unlocked susanoo?

IMO, after Itachi's death, all Part 2 felt rushed which is why Sasuke was testing his abilities most of the time.

That's Shounen manga for you.
You're right. all sasuke did was test his abilities in battle which nearly got him killed each and every time. all he had to do was train a bit with his new abilties to work out all the cranks like naruto did with his sage mode w/fuuton rasenshuriken training before fighting pain, then he might've had an easier time fighting the jink and gokages, FFS ATLEAST have one MS nin ability before trying to capture the 8Ts. like seriously.... ever since he was solo'ed by base lee. sasuke always made sure to take training into consideration and works his ass off. from kakashi to hebi. then for some odd reason he decides to return to that same old shit again only to get punished like before.
 

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<div class="bbWrapper">Read like 4 points. Sounds like excuses. Sharingan is hax and everyone is capped and must train to master and upgrade what they have. Same with Narutos caps on tails, Lees gates etc.<br /> <br /> Seems pointless tbh.</div>
 
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Theoritcally having the sharingan alone should make you the ultimate ninja by kishis own explanation it allows you to counter and copy all forms of ninjutsu genjutsu and taijutsu that being said only kkg users pose any threat and even then only their ninjutsu would be difficult in taijutsu the sharingan user would rape because of pre cog and if anything bam genjutsu oneshots? Its ridiculously overpowered but naruto is the same with his kyubbi solves all no jutsu
 
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Theoritcally having the sharingan alone should make you the ultimate ninja by kishis own explanation it allows you to counter and copy all forms of ninjutsu genjutsu and taijutsu that being said only kkg users pose any threat and even then only their ninjutsu would be difficult in taijutsu the sharingan user would rape because of pre cog and if anything bam genjutsu oneshots? Its ridiculously overpowered but naruto is the same with his kyubbi solves all no jutsu
@kyuubi solves all no jutsu lol
 
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