[Theory] what itachi gave to naruto and the madaras real goal *contains spoilers*

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the madaras evil plan

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i dont think the madara can use any jutsu he wants.
the madara put fear and great talking into those that he wanted too join the akatsuki.
he made the akatsuki so he could go after the 9tails.
why would he need the akatsuki if he was strong enough too battle the fourth hokage and has been alive all this time he should be able too preform a countless number of jutsu and be able to retreive the 9tails by him self, hell, he couldve even got too naruto before naruto became a genin.
i believe the madara wanted itachi too be the new madara and he was going too try controling itachi with his sharingan but....itachi also has sharingan so that wouldnt do any good, madara couldve threatend itachi but...what would he threaten him with? his clans gone his friends/parents are dead the only one he can use too threaten itachi with is his brother so itachi wanted sasuke to be stronger so he could fight off the madara so he told him that he was the only one who killed the clan and he did it just too test his limits knowing that would triger making sasuke want revenge thus sasuke would become powerful.
itachi realized that madara would come after sasuke when he died from his disease and want sasuke too destroy the leaf for him.
itachi new that madara would take advantage of sasukes hatred and turn it too the leaf
in one episode itachi speaks too naruto and says
"sasuke is young and can still be molded into any shape, if he tries too destroy the leaf village what would you do?"

madara planned this from the start he knew that itachi would one day die from his disease but he wanted his brother to be powerful enough too take his place.

in the madaras past he went blind from over use of the mangekyo sharingan
so he took his brothers

in the naruto manga when sasuke starts going blind guess what he wanted to do?
"he said i want itachi's eyes"

no doubt that the madara wants sasuke too be the new madara.



time is definetly repeating its self
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my evidence of why madara cant use jutsu
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Madara always wears gloves. In chapter 503, after the fourth injures him, this clear, whitish stuff that does not look like blood drips down, and his hand just comes off. even though he was struck in the back, not the arm.
Furthermore, Madara has yet to use any jutsu's requiring the weaving of hand seals. His time space jutsu doesn't seem to require any. Nor does his intangibility jutsu. when he summons the kyuubi, it doesn't show him using any seals.
best as i can tell, there is only one time in the entire manga when he uses a hand seal. When he is taking the Kyuubi out of Kushina. Even then, it is only one seal, and it is done with only one hand.
Madara says that he is only a shell of his former self. (chapter 467, page 10) He even goes so far as to call himself powerless. I think that so far people have just assumed that this refers to him perhaps losing on of his eyes, and even the mangekyou sharingan, but that didn't seem like enough to me to explain his words. It seemed like there had to be something more. Damage to his ability to use jutsu is my theory. I wonder if his battle with Hashirama took the ability to use Jutsu from his arms, sort of how orichimaru lost it in his battle with the third, except more permanently.


madara was probably resurrected and because of that he cant attach another limb too him self
but wait even if all this is true what didnt he just transfer himself too another body? why go after sasuke when he couldve used pein?
too seal this theory, sasuke is the reincarnation of the madara.
madara must have used a jutsu too seal his soul too another body that is starting to wear down, but the only body that he can use next is one that has the dna of his old one, sasukes and he plans on taking sasukes body.
only this time when he fights naruto, naruto will seal him



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what itachi gave too naruto
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time is definetly repeating its self here.

can anyone guess what horrible jutsu was used during the battle with the 4th hokage

it was that forbiden shimigami soul sealing jutsu

my only guess is that itachi knows that jutsu possibly because the madara was his sensei

the jutsu seals and kills both the user and the one the user is using it against.
itachi said
"i hope you never have too use this"
naruto said too sasuke
"when we fight we will both die"

itachi gave naruto the ability too use that shimigami jutsu
or something like that jutsu.


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if anyone would like too see my other thread with more plot revealing things mostly theory's here it is

 
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Nice theory. IMHO it is higly possible, except naruto sealing away sasuke. Just becouse we already know what will happen in naruto v sasuke fight.

And i have theory of my own now then you stated about shinigami sealing jutsu. I think it is posible for Host of tailed beast not to die.

Just look:
Shinigami soul sealing jutsu = Cost: Casters soul.
Soul = spiritual energy a.k.a Chakra.

So what i am trying to say is, if naruto really have that jutsu passed along by Itachi, in theory he could offer Shinigami fox'es Chakra (soul). IMO its even better trade for both sides, becouse fox have more Chakra a.k.a spiritual energy.

And if he have that jutsu he will most likely to use it on madara rather than sasuke. Becouse if madara really is just some sort of spirit without boddy, it means he have mastered jutsus far beyond understanding of naruto. So only way to stop him from ever trying to make his plans reality is to seal his soul away.
 

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the madaras evil plan

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i dont think the madara can use any jutsu he wants.
the madara put fear and great talking into those that he wanted too join the akatsuki.
he made the akatsuki so he could go after the 9tails.
why would he need the akatsuki if he was strong enough too battle the fourth hokage and has been alive all this time he should be able too preform a countless number of jutsu and be able to retreive the 9tails by him self, hell, he couldve even got too naruto before naruto became a genin.
i believe the madara wanted itachi too be the new madara and he was going too try controling itachi with his sharingan but....itachi also has sharingan so that wouldnt do any good, madara couldve threatend itachi but...what would he threaten him with? his clans gone his friends/parents are dead the only one he can use too threaten itachi with is his brother so itachi wanted sasuke to be stronger so he could fight off the madara so he told him that he was the only one who killed the clan and he did it just too test his limits knowing that would triger making sasuke want revenge thus sasuke would become powerful.
itachi realized that madara would come after sasuke when he died from his disease and want sasuke too destroy the leaf for him.
itachi new that madara would take advantage of sasukes hatred and turn it too the leaf
in one episode itachi speaks too naruto and says
"sasuke is young and can still be molded into any shape, if he tries too destroy the leaf village what would you do?"

madara planned this from the start he knew that itachi would one day die from his disease but he wanted his brother to be powerful enough too take his place.

in the madaras past he went blind from over use of the mangekyo sharingan
so he took his brothers

in the naruto manga when sasuke starts going blind guess what he wanted to do?
"he said i want itachi's eyes"

no doubt that the madara wants sasuke too be the new madara.



time is definetly repeating its self
__________________________________________________ _________

my evidence of why madara cant use jutsu
__________________________________________________ __________

Madara always wears gloves. In chapter 503, after the fourth injures him, this clear, whitish stuff that does not look like blood drips down, and his hand just comes off. even though he was struck in the back, not the arm.
Furthermore, Madara has yet to use any jutsu's requiring the weaving of hand seals. His time space jutsu doesn't seem to require any. Nor does his intangibility jutsu. when he summons the kyuubi, it doesn't show him using any seals.
best as i can tell, there is only one time in the entire manga when he uses a hand seal. When he is taking the Kyuubi out of Kushina. Even then, it is only one seal, and it is done with only one hand.
Madara says that he is only a shell of his former self. (chapter 467, page 10) He even goes so far as to call himself powerless. I think that so far people have just assumed that this refers to him perhaps losing on of his eyes, and even the mangekyou sharingan, but that didn't seem like enough to me to explain his words. It seemed like there had to be something more. Damage to his ability to use jutsu is my theory. I wonder if his battle with Hashirama took the ability to use Jutsu from his arms, sort of how orichimaru lost it in his battle with the third, except more permanently.


madara was probably resurrected and because of that he cant attach another limb too him self
but wait even if all this is true what didnt he just transfer himself too another body? why go after sasuke when he couldve used pein?
too seal this theory, sasuke is the reincarnation of the madara.
madara must have used a jutsu too seal his soul too another body that is starting to wear down, but the only body that he can use next is one that has the dna of his old one, sasukes and he plans on taking sasukes body.
only this time when he fights naruto, naruto will seal him



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what itachi gave too naruto
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time is definetly repeating its self here.

can anyone guess what horrible jutsu was used during the battle with the 4th hokage

it was that forbiden shimigami soul sealing jutsu

my only guess is that itachi knows that jutsu possibly because the madara was his sensei

the jutsu seals and kills both the user and the one the user is using it against.
itachi said
"i hope you never have too use this"
naruto said too sasuke
"when we fight we will both die"

itachi gave naruto the ability too use that shimigami jutsu


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if anyone would like too see my other thread with more plot revealing things mostly theory's here it is


just a question.. what do you think was in the coffin then?
 

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Maybe my memory is poor on this, but didn't he use earth style jutsu against Kabuto when they first met? Not all jutsu require handsigns, nor should they be devalued if they don't (e.g. Rasengan, Space-time jutsu, Izanagi, etc.). Also, I believe that Minato stabbed him in the hand, but I don't recall.

The Death Reaper Seal was Minato's, why would Itachi have it? It was performed inside a barrier after Madara retreated, so I doubt he saw it and thus taught Itachi. Besides, Minato said that it was a jutsu only a non-jinchuuriki could use to Kushina, perhaps only to deter her, but more likely because it's true. Thus, the great planner, Itachi, wouldn't make this his gift because Naruto can't use it.
 
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just a question.. what do you think was in the coffin then?

maybe the madaras old body.
maybe his brother although his brothers eyes are gone.

but if it was his brother then madara wouldve killed kabuto right there on the spot.
but his old body could have brought on the
"you cheeky brat" reaction

and knowing kabuto hes probably went and tried too find dna from every skilled ninja/ hokage he could
knowing how powerful the madara was kabuto more than likeley went too madaras corpse and took some dna from the body and maybe he noticed some sort of marking on the body that wouldve been used too transfer from one body too another.
knowing that the madara is still alive kabuto still takes the dna because he figures a scenario like whats going on in the manga is bound too happen.
he goes and takes orochimarus dna and works on the resurection jutsu
too the point where all he needs is a body and the soul doesnt matter.
he can then summon any soul he wants too to the madaras old body and make the soul become emotionless and then he has a powerful resurection.
 
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Maybe my memory is poor on this, but didn't he use earth style jutsu against Kabuto when they first met? Not all jutsu require handsigns, nor should they be devalued if they don't (e.g. Rasengan, Space-time jutsu, Izanagi, etc.). Also, I believe that Minato stabbed him in the hand, but I don't recall.

The Death Reaper Seal was Minato's, why would Itachi have it? It was performed inside a barrier after Madara retreated, so I doubt he saw it and thus taught Itachi. Besides, Minato said that it was a jutsu only a non-jinchuuriki could use to Kushina, perhaps only to deter her, but more likely because it's true. Thus, the great planner, Itachi, wouldn't make this his gift because Naruto can't use it.

The Death Reaper seal was used by Minato, if i'm not mistaken it was created by the 2nd or 3rd hokage and was deemed a forbidden jutsu so it wasn't taught
 

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Maybe my memory is poor on this, but didn't he use earth style jutsu against Kabuto when they first met? Not all jutsu require handsigns, nor should they be devalued if they don't (e.g. Rasengan, Space-time jutsu, Izanagi, etc.). Also, I believe that Minato stabbed him in the hand, but I don't recall.

The Death Reaper Seal was Minato's, why would Itachi have it? It was performed inside a barrier after Madara retreated, so I doubt he saw it and thus taught Itachi. Besides, Minato said that it was a jutsu only a non-jinchuuriki could use to Kushina, perhaps only to deter her, but more likely because it's true. Thus, the great planner, Itachi, wouldn't make this his gift because Naruto can't use it.

maybe itachi was around when the village was at war
*itachi was around the village when the funeral for the hokage was going on*

and the hokage used the death reaper jutsu and itachi can then copy it with his sharingan.
but yeah naruto cant use it but maybe its something like that reaper jutsu.

also during the time ive spent watching naruto *ALOT OF TIME*
ive learned something and that is too always keep an open mind because if you dont, then masashi is going too leave out important details other wise know as

SUSPENSE STYLE: PLOT HOLE NO JUTSU! its a great jutsu, its even better when you use it with the.
FILLER STYLE: FLASH BACK NO JUTSU!

side effects may include yelling
GET TOO THE F*CKING POINT!

sorry im really tierd.
 
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The Death Reaper seal was used by Minato, if i'm not mistaken it was created by the 2nd or 3rd hokage and was deemed a forbidden jutsu so it wasn't taught

It was created by uzumaki clan not the third or second hokage
 

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maybe itachi was around when the village was at war
*itachi was around the village when the funeral for the hokage was going on*

and the hokage used the death reaper jutsu and itachi can then copy it with his sharingan.
but yeah naruto cant use it but maybe its something like that reaper jutsu.

also during the time ive spent watching naruto *ALOT OF TIME*
ive learned something and that is too always keep an open mind because if you dont, then masashi is going too leave out important details other wise know as

SUSPENSE STYLE: PLOT HOLE NO JUTSU! its a great jutsu, its even better when you use it with the.
FILLER STYLE: FLASH BACK NO JUTSU!

side effects may include yelling
GET TOO THE F*CKING POINT!

sorry im really tierd.

There's still two problems. First, Itachi was in the village with baby Sasuke, and the fourth teleported himself, the fox, etc away from the village to fight without damaging it. Second, and more importantly, the Death Reaper Seal jutsu can't be used by a Jinchuuriki as stated by Minato to Kushina, and he invented the jutsu (probably with inspiration from Kushina). The third states that the fourth created the jutsu when he fights Orochimaru in case you're wondering. Yeah, I guess you can invoke "plot hole and flashback no jutsu," but you shouldn't rely on it.

Nonetheless, well written.
 
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