[Discussion] What it takes to be a SH recruit

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Thank you for the intellectual reply.

Its my fault for not elaborating on some of the requirements for about half of them are just minor requirements; icon on the cake per say like color scheme and nationality.

1-Chopper, Robin, Franky and Brooke have all been foreshadowed by their east blue counterparts. Lets use Usopp and Franky since he is the easiest.
-Both are the leaders of their own non-pirate group
-Both were known as troublemakers in their towns
-Both got into a serious fight with Luffy
-Both joined the crew AFTER the SHs got a new ship
-Usopp constantly tried to patch up the ship and said that since he was no shipwright, he can only do so much.

2- speaks for itself and every current revealed their dream before joining.

3- Along with backstory, the potential SH must be an outcast of some kind

4 and 5- All SHs are unique. They have their very own distinctive design and abilities/talents that creates diversity. If a character has a design that is too similar to a current SH, like Rebecca to Nami, they lose points.

6- More so Luffy must think they are a good person and the current SHs were never "evil." Someone like Bellamy was a thug who killed and bullied people because he could and enjoyed it.

7- a minor point and something Oda has made apparent through out the series. Every SH does have a cetain color confirmed by Oda himself so new recruitments cant have colors that are already taken.

8- Another minor point

9- Oda has established the current M3 as always being the top 3 SHs by power and the current W3 as the weakest and has mentioned it numerous times. A new recruit should therefore follow in between.

10- In agreement here

11- Questionable indeed but the BBs are a vital part of the story and does parallel the SHs. They represent the "evil" SHs and a complete opposite route. SHs vs BBs is very likely the final fight but again its questionable.

12- Since they are the main characters, a new recruit should be an important part of the story like the others SHs and not just be there.



Sanji was a simple goat beforehand.
1) Again you can only talk about foreshadowing afterwards. What you just did was subjectively interpreting things as being 'foreshadowing'. That became extremely obvious with your examples. How many times do you think they are going to get a new ship? Usopp continuously trying to patch up the ship would at best be a foreshadowing that in the future they would need a shipwright, but that doesn't point towards anyone in particular. You just tried to see patterns so that you could talk about foreshadowing, but the fact is that many of these are extremely subjective and there are hell of a lot of differences between the Strawhats. On the other hand there are many other character that haven't joined fit several of these descriptions.

You can only talk about foreshadowing in regards to specific positions. Already from the start Luffy said he wanted a musician, which eventually ended up his last crew member nearly 500 chapters later and I can't remember any other position that has not been taken yet, so that would mean that no one will ever join? You can completely scratch this of your list.

2) I don't think that was the case for Robin as she wanted to die. Her dream is to find out the true history, but that's a tricky case as above all else she wanted to live an a place to belong to, which only became clear during the Enies Lobbies arc. Nami also just joined. She then left and then joined again, however Oda always said she was the 3rd member who joined and Luffy never considered her having left his crew. So she only revealed her dream after joining. Brook's situation is also a vey peculiar one.

So yeah Strawhats can join without proclaiming their dream beforehand.

3) The background story doesn't have to be given before the joining, Robin and Nami are examples of that. Likewise he gives a lot of background info on characters that will never join.

4 and 5) This counts for hell of a lot of characters as Oda goes quite far in creating unique characteristics for many characters. That one resembles another is, considering the amount of characters he created, quite rare. This works to scratch some characters, but most of the time by default characters will be unique in one way or another.

6) Franky and his gang beat Usopp to a pulp and stole his money which they consequently immediately spend on what can be considered selfish reasons. Zoro had already a reputation of being a monster and the first thing Luffy did was when he heard of him, was considering him as a new crewmate. Robin then just had been part of an evil organization. So "being good" is a very relative thing and can change over time as Luffy was cheering for Bellamy.

7) He gave the Strawhats a lot of things and he can give them these things at any given time.

8) It's not a minor point, it's simply not a point at all. It's completely irrelevant.

9) And Usopp, one of the weakling trio, currently is the only one who was able to awaken his Haki after Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. For some reason Oda still wanted Robin to have a higher bounty. Also outside the M3 and W3 there are only three characters left, so you in the end you have three groups of three. Before the time skip you could easily follow the pecking order for the last six, however post time skip that has become rather difficult. Who is stronger? Franky's robot attacks? Chopper's countless of transformations? Usopp's pop arsenal? Robin's massive limbs? The only thing you can be certain is that the M3 still is stronger than all of them, but among them Luffy and Zoro form a duo while Sanji seems to regularly fall out of it. So at this point it becomes extremely difficult to say where now you should draw a line. Jinbei however clearly is crossing it, so how you rated him as being of the same level as the middle group of Robin, Franky and Brooke I really don't get.

11) There are many characters that can be considered vital to the plot. The fact that even you are doubting which Strawhat you should connect with which BB pirate, makes this an invalid point as even if it would be the case, we only would know that for certain towards the end on a moment there will likely be no new Strawhats anymore.

12) How many Strawhats are actually important to the story? Or in the least could be considered important at the time they joined? Most of them really just joined and in reality are just there. Their importance lies in being a main character. I mean what kind of importance does Brook have? Laboon? Touching story, gives like many other things that much more depth to the plot, but in reality absolutely not important. The kind if importance things like these have is what Oda decides to give them and thus has actually nothing to do with being a potential Strawhat.


You tried to organize this entire "who is the next Strawhat" thing, but in reality you just added a whole new confusing dimension to it. This list is already simply way too long, several of your points do not have any relevance while others are very relative and several others then do not have to be immediately present, which makes them rather pointless to try to figure out who will be the next Strawhat. You're just shifting the subjective notion of who will join the Strawhats to the subjective notion of what the requirements a Stawhat should have. You can clearly see from your examples that there's something very wrong with your list as somehow people like Smoker, Tashigi and Kyros become serious candidates despite that their chances are nearly 0.
 

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1) Again you can only talk about foreshadowing afterwards. What you just did was subjectively interpreting things as being 'foreshadowing'. That became extremely obvious with your examples. How many times do you think they are going to get a new ship? Usopp continuously trying to patch up the ship would at best be a foreshadowing that in the future they would need a shipwright, but that doesn't point towards anyone in particular. You just tried to see patterns so that you could talk about foreshadowing, but the fact is that many of these are extremely subjective and there are hell of a lot of differences between the Strawhats. On the other hand there are many other character that haven't joined fit several of these descriptions.

You can only talk about foreshadowing in regards to specific positions. Already from the start Luffy said he wanted a musician, which eventually ended up his last crew member nearly 500 chapters later and I can't remember any other position that has not been taken yet, so that would mean that no one will ever join? You can completely scratch this of your list.

2) I don't think that was the case for Robin as she wanted to die. Her dream is to find out the true history, but that's a tricky case as above all else she wanted to live an a place to belong to, which only became clear during the Enies Lobbies arc. Nami also just joined. She then left and then joined again, however Oda always said she was the 3rd member who joined and Luffy never considered her having left his crew. So she only revealed her dream after joining. Brook's situation is also a vey peculiar one.

So yeah Strawhats can join without proclaiming their dream beforehand.

3) The background story doesn't have to be given before the joining, Robin and Nami are examples of that. Likewise he gives a lot of background info on characters that will never join.

4 and 5) This counts for hell of a lot of characters as Oda goes quite far in creating unique characteristics for many characters. That one resembles another is, considering the amount of characters he created, quite rare. This works to scratch some characters, but most of the time by default characters will be unique in one way or another.

6) Franky and his gang beat Usopp to a pulp and stole his money which they consequently immediately spend on what can be considered selfish reasons. Zoro had already a reputation of being a monster and the first thing Luffy did was when he heard of him, was considering him as a new crewmate. Robin then just had been part of an evil organization. So "being good" is a very relative thing and can change over time as Luffy was cheering for Bellamy.

7) He gave the Strawhats a lot of things and he can give them these things at any given time.

8) It's not a minor point, it's simply not a point at all. It's completely irrelevant.

9) And Usopp, one of the weakling trio, currently is the only one who was able to awaken his Haki after Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. For some reason Oda still wanted Robin to have a higher bounty. Also outside the M3 and W3 there are only three characters left, so you in the end you have three groups of three. Before the time skip you could easily follow the pecking order for the last six, however post time skip that has become rather difficult. Who is stronger? Franky's robot attacks? Chopper's countless of transformations? Usopp's pop arsenal? Robin's massive limbs? The only thing you can be certain is that the M3 still is stronger than all of them, but among them Luffy and Zoro form a duo while Sanji seems to regularly fall out of it. So at this point it becomes extremely difficult to say where now you should draw a line. Jinbei however clearly is crossing it, so how you rated him as being of the same level as the middle group of Robin, Franky and Brooke I really don't get.

11) There are many characters that can be considered vital to the plot. The fact that even you are doubting which Strawhat you should connect with which BB pirate, makes this an invalid point as even if it would be the case, we only would know that for certain towards the end on a moment there will likely be no new Strawhats anymore.

12) How many Strawhats are actually important to the story? Or in the least could be considered important at the time they joined? Most of them really just joined and in reality are just there. Their importance lies in being a main character. I mean what kind of importance does Brook have? Laboon? Touching story, gives like many other things that much more depth to the plot, but in reality absolutely not important. The kind if importance things like these have is what Oda decides to give them and thus has actually nothing to do with being a potential Strawhat.


You tried to organize this entire "who is the next Strawhat" thing, but in reality you just added a whole new confusing dimension to it. This list is already simply way too long, several of your points do not have any relevance while others are very relative and several others then do not have to be immediately present, which makes them rather pointless to try to figure out who will be the next Strawhat. You're just shifting the subjective notion of who will join the Strawhats to the subjective notion of what the requirements a Stawhat should have. You can clearly see from your examples that there's something very wrong with your list as somehow people like Smoker, Tashigi and Kyros become serious candidates despite that their chances are nearly 0.
Kind of tired at the moment so I'll reply to a few for now.

1- You make it seem like I'm nitpicking and trying to find SOMETHING to call foreshadowing. Not is that not true, you are missing the point. There were 4 recruits in East Blue, 4 in Grand Line so its safe to assume that there will be 4 in the NW. The similarities between #3 recruit Usopp and #3 recruit Franky is very likely a foreshadowing for the #3 in the NW. For example, Zoro, Chopper and Jinbe.

-Both Zoro and Chopper were called monsters. Jinbe is called a monster because he is a fishman
-Both had something important(a non living object) to them saved by Luffy: Zoro's swords, Hiliuk's flag and Fishman Island for Jinbe.
-The main antagonist of all 3 men's arcs were guys hated ion their own turf. Morgan for Zoro, Wapol for Chopper, Hody/Vander for Jinbe.
-Both Zoro and Chopper were tied/restrained to something in their introduction chapters. Zoro was tied to a pole and Chopper was tied to a sleigh. Jinbe was introduced chained up in Impel Down.

This is no coincidence. There are similarities for Nami-Robin and Sanji-Brooke as well.

2- Robin said she wanted to discover the True history in Alabasta and that was before she joined.

6- All of the SHs are pretty much a**holes but none were "evil"

7- The SHs color scheme was already set in stone. You saying Oda can give a character a complete make over(not talking about Coby as he is still white and pink)? Bellamy has been pink and blue since his introduction and Oda will switch him to like peach just because? There are many characters who still wears the same thing or color like Smoker, Tashigi, Hina, Mr 2 etc..

9- Bounties don't equal strength and Robin is a very poor example since she had a 79 million bounty at age 8 because of her heritage.

11- Not doubting it. Just aware that people will be confused and this one requires a long explanation on its own.
 

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I don't see anyone in Dressrosa arc to join SH. Usually the new crew is the centre of the arc story line. Franky / Robin / Brooke / Chopper are subjects of their respective arc.
 
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