what is your opinion on the Kagyua Arc?

[SkyGodHorus]

Why didn't Kaguya use IT on Team 7? It's been shown twice that it could be done without the moon but on a smaller scale.

Plot no Jutsu of course, but it was insulting to the reader's intelligence.

Perfect susano'o had already blocked out IT.

A case could be made that there was another moon due to one moon being over Ashura and another being over Indra. It was never stated to be done on a smaller scale or without the moon.

 

[ANiMUS]

Yeah all Kishi needed to do is draw it. If I was his editor I would have given him this idea to make this arc even more special like the Last.

Um, no :| that is if u mean Hinata intensive.

Also, never watched the Last. It is just sitting there on my computer wasting space. I can't bring myself to watch things I am uninterested in.

 

[Joon]

Anubis, quit making up garbage. Kishimoto wrote the thing.

My bad. I get my information from Narutobase. >.<

 

[SkyGodHorus]

My bad. I get my information from Narutobase. >.<

That's nice. I get mine from a half a dozen sources.

 

[ANiMUS]

The Last was unexpected. Kishi didn't have and didn't want no part of it until he found out how crappy their drawings for the movies was. Then, he just said "fuc it.... might as well milk this shit while I still can". Hence, the Naruto project.

Kishi used them to write the romance that he couldn't. He mad some alterations to the story making them do rewrites, but it was originally SP's storyline. Joint project would be more of the proper term I guess

 

[Conspirator.]

Bad. It was full of plot holes, retcons, asspulls, and Kaguya was insanely nerfed.

Precisely this. The manga was already in a slight rut prior to the Kaguya arc, but Kaguya ended up making the manga comatose.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Perfect susano'o had already blocked out IT.

A case could be made that there was another moon due to one moon being over Ashura and another being over Indra. It was never stated to be done on a smaller scale or without the moon.

Sasuke PS wasn't covering Team 7 the entire time.

There are no two moons.:| Ashura and Indra were obviously not in the same place at the same time. Madara in the Obito flashback used a mini IT on him through being connected to the Gedo Mazo.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

terrible. better way to have it is: Black zetsu's lines are Kaguyas. Yin/Yang seal fails, and Kaguya is defeated in some other way.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Crap :| Y? Cuz it was crap. Kaguya had no depth, she was severely limited, and I am not going to lie I am still kinda salty that Sasuke got the done wrong They didn't allow Sasuke to do anything, but fail and I would have been ok if it was to prove some point to him like that he needed ppl or teammates are important, but Kishi had him just throw all those lessons out the window like they never happened. So Sasuke was constantly nerfed with out even a point except just to let the MC shine.

Full of disappointment and wasted potential.

I would have been okay with it had we'd madara get pushed to his limits, and then lose. My biggest problem is that we didn't get to see madara's full potential.

Bad. It was full of plot holes, retcons, asspulls, and Kaguya was insanely nerfed.

These four posts sum it up pretty well

 

[Praydara]

I liked Kaguya herself. The rest of the arc was pretty mediocre at best...

 

[Torche]

10 chapters for a "Final Antagonist" fight is a terrible idea. She was not even established well at all prior to BZ's "plot-twist" and she just happened. I didn't feel there was much thought or effort put into her character, or the arc in general.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Very big letdown

I'm disappointed.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Sasuke PS wasn't covering Team 7 the entire time.

Uh, actually it was, until the jutsu ended and the moon was clear. If you mean after, Sasuke was able to undo IT with his Rinnegan, and he was protected by susano'o.

There are no two moons.:| Ashura and Indra were obviously not in the same place at the same time.

You have no basis for that, and "obviously" has no place in a debate. And without seeing how the first IT was conceived, there is no way to legitimize your claim. The whole thing on the tablet was described as requiring the moon. Kaguya also came from another planet and her original lore that Kishimoto based her off depicts her as the princess of the people of the moon. In the manga she was also called a the princess of her people.

Madara in the Obito flashback used a mini IT on him through being connected to the Gedo Mazo.

That wasn't IT. It was a blank genjutsu construct, without the third eye or the bijuus. Madara didn't even have his Rinnegan or a mangekyou.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Bad. It was full of plot holes, retcons, asspulls, and Kaguya was insanely nerfed.

I agree with this

 

[UCE]

was shit.

 

[makosheva7]

It just made no sense to introduce her as the final villain with that little time left in the manga. No proper development. Although I wouldn't say it was easy to defeat her as some people claim.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Shiiieeet Lol

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Uh, actually it was, until the jutsu ended and the moon was clear. If you mean after, Sasuke was able to undo IT with his Rinnegan, and he was protected by susano'o.

I meant after and Sasuke did not know how to due IT through out the entire Kaguya fight. He was even seperated from the team at one point.

You have no basis for that, and "obviously" has no place in a debate. And without seeing how the first IT was conceived, there is no way to legitimize your claim. The whole thing on the tablet was described as requiring the moon. Kaguya also came from another planet and her original lore that Kishimoto based her off depicts her as the princess of the people of the moon. In the manga she was also called a the princess of her people.

Where was the second moon in the Last or anywhere else in the manga?

That wasn't IT. It was a blank genjutsu construct, without the third eye or the bijuus. Madara didn't even have his Rinnegan or a mangekyou.

Madara said that Genjutsu was the Gedo Mazo's power in the third panel. So he kinda did have a Bijuu.

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He also says "By using the moon instead of my eyes to cast this Genjutsu, I'll create the dream world". This implies that was a nerfed version of IT.

 

[Goetia]

It nailed the coffin on what was already a lost cause.

 

[123fire]

Because Obito played a good part in this arc it was amazing!!! Plus i don't see any problems with this arc . I mean a FEMALE villain agaisnt the two main characters Naruto and Sasuke , and u have team 7 teamwork , what do u ant more people? When those are animated i know everyone complained here will watch it!