What is with the trolling?

[LostForver06]

I have read the manga several times and I still do not get it. Kishi is just trolling left and right. So if someone can clear things up it would be helpful .


1) Wtf did Madara do to the kages? Kishi does not go into how he defeated the kages, he just shows up next to Obito without a stratch on him. I thought the kages were supposably strong and all powerful. That is five to one and that one person defeat them all. At this rate Madara alone could kill off Kakashi, Gai, and Naruto...hell the entire ninja world as well.

2) As I mentioned earlier Madara alone is capable of ending it all together, adding Obito to the mix just puts the icing on the cake. So I believe the only one who can help defeat them is Sasuke. An Uchiha against Uchihas...I mean the ONLY logical sense is this. Who else can help defeat an Uchiha (or in this case Uchihas) than another Uchiha? Sasuke is the only living Uchiha left who, assuming he had a change of heart, can put up a fight because he has the same blood line. With that said where the hell is he? I know he went with Oro somewhere, but this somewhere can not be so far that Kishi has not brought Sasuke into the panels for like five chapters. Not only that why on earth would he just up and leave in the middle of war when I doubt whoever he wants to talk to is in the mood for talk because people are dying around them.

3) People keep posting that the "real" Naruto is in another dimension. What are they talking about exactly?

4) When Madara was talking to Obito it is clear he was refering to the "plan" which is the Moon Eye Plan. He starts asking what happened to Nagato and why Obito started putting his plan into motion, etc. I thought Obito was planning on replacing Nagato with Sasuke...or something along those lines. I understood that Obtio was going to sync Sasuke with the same thing he did Nagato. Could it just be that his plans changed a little and now Obito has found an alternative way to create his Moon Eye Plan without Sasuke?

I know some of this stuff is random, but these are just thoughts after reading the latest chapter.

 

[The Sorrowful Prince]

We can't do Kishi's job for him.

 

[Nigete]

Yeah i was disappointed he skipped the fight. Maybe what happened was, Madara was done toying with them and knew he could finish them off easily with 1 jutsu which we have yet to see. Kishi will probably show it back in a flashback.

 

[360NoScopeKamui]

In regards to #4, I don't think Sasuke was an explicit replacement for Nagato (Nagato's part of the plan was using Rinne Tensei to revive Madara at the right time), but simply another pawn that could be used to collect the Tailed Beasts. Even before Pain attacked Konoha, the Taka were sent to defeat Bee and extract the Hachibi.

 

[Stein]

@1) Well, Kishi wanted to make it look "cool" with Madara's appearance as if he just came back from a light walk in the park. And maybe he thought that some fans don't want to see getting their favorite character getting slashed like the kages obviously got.

@2) I really think that Sasuke is going to help the others defeat Madara because he sees him as one of the main reasons for his clan's annihilation. Sasuke also knows that Madara's power are immeasurable and maybe seeks a method to reverse the Edo Tensei completely. The main focus is on the Naruto fight right now and I think after a few or maybe only one flashback chapters the focus will switch to Sasuke again.

@3) Madara said "So he is a Kage Bunshin too eh..." referring to the Naruto standing in front of him. So, everybody thinks that the real Naruto is either in the Kamui dimension Kakashi has access to or somewhere completely different than Kakashi, Guy and Bee.

@4) Nagato was only there to revive Madara at the perfect time. But Nagato betrayed them and revived the villagers of the leaf instead. Luckily, Madara has been revived by the Edo Tensei and defied it so he can now live forever and really IS immortal both in terms of life time and chakra. So they didn't need Nagato's revival technique after all. Sasuke was, I think, just another Uchiha Obito wanted to have on his side because clan shit and so on.

That's just how I see and understand it. Hope I could help.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

As far as an Uchiha defeating an Uchiha goes, I'm afraid that makes no logical sense. There is no secret kill switch for Uchihas in Uchiha blood.

 

[Stein]

As far as an Uchiha defeating an Uchiha goes, I'm afraid that makes no logical sense. There is no secret kill switch for Uchihas in Uchiha blood.

It makes sense. Because Uchiha have such enormous powers only another Uchiha can fight on par with one.

 

[Josh]

Welcome to storytelling

The best way to keep things mysterious and surprising is to leave out certain details... and then reveal them later. Just be patient and slowly the holes will be filled in. (Hopefully)

 

[Stein]

Welcome to storytelling

The best way to keep things mysterious and surprising is to leave out certain details... and then reveal them later. Just be patient and slowly the holes will be filled in. (Hopefully)

Right you are, sir! ^^

 

[LostForver06]

Thanks for the replys, they were helpful. Especially your post Stein...it made the most sense thanks for that! And to CurseSealOfEarth, it does make sense actually that another Uchiha could put up a fight against another Uchiha because as I said no one can match up to the Sharigan etc. only a true Uchiha...not Kakashi either.

 

[Floydical]

I just wanted to add something about #4.

Keep in mind that Tobi planned to sync Gedo Mazo with Sasuke in due time, but that was before he teamed up with Kabuto. At that time, it was still within his plans to revive Madara, but he wasn't going to rush it. Since he needed someone strong who could harness the Rinnegan, he planned to hold off and manipulate and train Sasuke so that he could either use Nagato's Rinnegan, or unlock his own. Again, he still planned on reviving Madara the original way, but had to wait.

After he teamed up with Kabuto, he saw edo Madara and immediately had to change his plans. At that point, holding out hope to revive Madara the regular way was pointless. But on the other hand, Tobi did intend to collect Naruto and Bee by starting the war just after Nagato's death. It seems he was fine with waiting to revive Madara but wanted to hurry up and finish the Biju collection, which he felt was best accomplished by starting a war, since he no longer had strong Akatsuki members to do his work, only a Zetsu army.

 

[Simple Math]

people are overthinking chapter 601 too much

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

It's actually been 8 chapters since we last saw Sasuke. Kishi leaves us with a cliffhanger in regards to the one who knows everything, then makes us wait over 2 months for us to find out wtf he was talking about.

Whatta ****

 

[jaykuhz]

I didn't read, give Kishimoto a break. He can't fit everything into 15 pages with one sentence panels.

 

[Avani]

I have read the manga several times and I still do not get it. Kishi is just trolling left and right. So if someone can clear things up it would be helpful .


1) Wtf did Madara do to the kages? Kishi does not go into how he defeated the kages, he just shows up next to Obito without a stratch on him. I thought the kages were supposably strong and all powerful. That is five to one and that one person defeat them all. At this rate Madara alone could kill off Kakashi, Gai, and Naruto...hell the entire ninja world as well.

2) As I mentioned earlier Madara alone is capable of ending it all together, adding Obito to the mix just puts the icing on the cake. So I believe the only one who can help defeat them is Sasuke. An Uchiha against Uchihas...I mean the ONLY logical sense is this. Who else can help defeat an Uchiha (or in this case Uchihas) than another Uchiha? Sasuke is the only living Uchiha left who, assuming he had a change of heart, can put up a fight because he has the same blood line. With that said where the hell is he? I know he went with Oro somewhere, but this somewhere can not be so far that Kishi has not brought Sasuke into the panels for like five chapters. Not only that why on earth would he just up and leave in the middle of war when I doubt whoever he wants to talk to is in the mood for talk because people are dying around them.

3) People keep posting that the "real" Naruto is in another dimension. What are they talking about exactly?

4) When Madara was talking to Obito it is clear he was refering to the "plan" which is the Moon Eye Plan. He starts asking what happened to Nagato and why Obito started putting his plan into motion, etc. I thought Obito was planning on replacing Nagato with Sasuke...or something along those lines. I understood that Obtio was going to sync Sasuke with the same thing he did Nagato. Could it just be that his plans changed a little and now Obito has found an alternative way to create his Moon Eye Plan without Sasuke?

I know some of this stuff is random, but these are just thoughts after reading the latest chapter.

Seriously some of you need to go and Google what trolling means. A writer should be allowed to tell his story his way without being bashed for every other pannel.. He already showed us the power difference between Madara and all the kage's combined. At least twice. third time a team of already beaten up kage's couldn't pull it off without some miracle. (and even more complaints.If kishi wanted to get rid off Madara he would have him go poof along with other edos).

We are aware that only Hashirama could compete with him when he was alive and we know how strong Nagato was on his own. He would have been probably unstoppable if he had the same killer instinct like Madara. And here we have Madara who cannot die, has MS and rinnegan powers, a complete susano and with everything Hashirama powers to boot. Kage's were delaying him but at no point they had upper hand. What was the point of showing a fight when one page/pannel was enough to show what happened next. It was gruesome already and we saw that no matter how hard they tried they were being toyed with by Madara.

People complain when a dragged out fight and they complain when it's not. It's been long established that Kishi doesn't detail that much and believes in telling the story with minimum panels. And in this context it's just fine. It is a war scenario which covers a large area, many locations and a lot of characters. He has to move on to other characters. Now those who have survived are slowly gathering at one place to play their part in final scenario. Try to enjoy the story without fretting all the time.

 

[LostForver06]

@ Floydical: I did not know that. Thanks for adding that there.


And just to be clear I am not bashing on Kishi nor am I complaining about lack of fights etc. I merely wanted some things clearified because obviously some of the things are confusing me. Also this is a thread, an opinion, whatever you want to call it, but the point of these threads is to discuss whatever it is thats on our mind, whether it makes sense or not.