I mean I always used to think that they are the same, but then again, it appears that madara absorbed the shinjuu and neither hagoromo nor juubito absorbed it coz if they did, they will be immortal and they will have rinnesharingan, madara after absorbing it became immortal and awakened the rinnesharingan, so I'm kinda confused as what the difference is,for people who think it was in juubitos body I dont really think so because juubito summoned it like madara summons kurama (and we all know madara is no kurama jin but he can summon it at will but unlike naruto who is its jin and can use kurama's powers) so juubito did the same, so basically juubito has'nt merged with, so a lil help to clarify this please
What is the difference between the god tree and juubi?
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What is the difference between this thread and your other thread?
OT, They both are as Immortal as Madara as long Juubi still inside them. How you came to the conclusion that Hago and Juubito not Immortal? Hago die after he releasing Gedo Mazo from his body as Shinju(the component that made up Juubi) to some extent no longer inside him.
Or in other word as a Jinchuriki when your tailed beast is gone you will die. No exception to Hago and Juubito here.
Madara also going to die after Juubi no longer inside him.
Just bcus Madara the only one bragging about his Immortality. People here lost their capacity to think.
OT, They both are as Immortal as Madara as long Juubi still inside them. How you came to the conclusion that Hago and Juubito not Immortal? Hago die after he releasing Gedo Mazo from his body as Shinju(the component that made up Juubi) to some extent no longer inside him.
Or in other word as a Jinchuriki when your tailed beast is gone you will die. No exception to Hago and Juubito here.
Madara also going to die after Juubi no longer inside him.
Just bcus Madara the only one bragging about his Immortality. People here lost their capacity to think.
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-Toward the underline statement.
I dont understand your question here. What actually you're trying to ask here?
Yes Juubito released Juubi in some way to make way for Shinju(Mugen Tsukuyomi) but the connection still there. But this is not the thread subject. All Juubi jin definitely have all this components inside them=Shinju+Kaguya and all her chakra=Juubi.
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Sure if he want to cast IT and release/revive Kaguya. It an option for Hagoromo whether he want the third eye or not.
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The Shinju is a giant log that died 1000 years ago.
The Juubi is Kaguya, and everything we've seen from either is directly attributable to her.
The Shinju seen in the war was just an extention of the Juubi, and not the original Shinju. It didn't grant Madara any more powers when he absorbed it, although it did contain Kaguya's conciousness.
The Juubi is Kaguya, and everything we've seen from either is directly attributable to her.
The Shinju seen in the war was just an extention of the Juubi, and not the original Shinju. It didn't grant Madara any more powers when he absorbed it, although it did contain Kaguya's conciousness.
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Technically, it was closer to a form of Bijuu Mode. (In movies, specifically Road to Ninja and The Last, Naruto has been able to summon Kurama as a seperate entity. RtN is Non Canon, i know, but it helps to think of it like that.) The war Shinju was just an extention of the Juubi's power in the shape of the original Shinju.
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Wrong. It granted Madara more power. He claimed he was immortal after absorbing the Shinju, just seconds before he was almost killed by Gai.
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Arrogance and a healing factor. Madara is just like every other villain with those traits. Calm and collected, confident in his powers, until he gets kicked in the face at reality warping speeds, and which point he flips his sh*t.
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He asked about Immortality. And yes to what you said here and I agree with
"everything we've seen from either is directly attributable to her."
Immortality(certain limit I think) directly gave by Kaguya to all JJ.
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I'm not quite sure. He seemed pretty happy and even more confident after absorbing the Shinju. There must be some point of this action. No one would ever absorb something because a strange voice told him to.
The earth's Shinju fused with Kaguya after eating the Fruit and turned into the Juubi. So the Shinju we saw in the war was the same back in Kaguya's era. It's just confusing how Obito remained the Juubi's Jinchuuriki after summoning the Juubi who in addition turns into the Shinju again. :|
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And Madara sometime can be stupid. He should know better.
Plus we should consider the fact that he(Madara) never have full knowledge of what Juubi capable to provide to it host.
Yes by becoming Juubi jin as long as he never release it out, he can lived forever. Bcus Juubi gave him tremendous life force and limitless energy.
Healing/Regenerating also was a level of Immortality. The reason is a person will not die bcus of that.
But here it a bit tricky bcus it depends on the nature of the healing/regenerating capability. There exist being that can regenerate from nothingness.
And for Madara case, I just guessing that Juubi can gave Madara the regenerative factor where he can regenerate back like Edo Tensei.
Plus we should consider the fact that he(Madara) never have full knowledge of what Juubi capable to provide to it host.
Yes by becoming Juubi jin as long as he never release it out, he can lived forever. Bcus Juubi gave him tremendous life force and limitless energy.
Healing/Regenerating also was a level of Immortality. The reason is a person will not die bcus of that.
But here it a bit tricky bcus it depends on the nature of the healing/regenerating capability. There exist being that can regenerate from nothingness.
And for Madara case, I just guessing that Juubi can gave Madara the regenerative factor where he can regenerate back like Edo Tensei.
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In naruto immortality means eternal life, oro wants eternal life, sasori, kakuzu, hidan etc so as far as immortality goes in naruto, its eternal life, no way in hell any of them will grow old, and madara said 'He is COMPLETELY immortal' meaning, he can age nor can he be killed, thus why kishi stated that madara was too strong and why hagoromo gave naruto and sasuke the seals
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Actually the god tree back then, looked different.
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But isn't Hago saying in the same scan that Kaguya came to pick the fruit from the holy tree? The same tree naruto saw in the war? :|
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Probably inaccurate translation. I could post the viz l8, if you want.
It's not the same thing, well at least in looks it isn't. The god tree in the war arc is kaguya infused while the one in the past isn't.
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The shinju is a part of the juubi. kaguya fused with the shinju thereby gaining immortality and became the juubi,kaguya soul and dojutsu resides within the shinju,the shinju could be seperated from the juubi as seen with obito but in the process the juubi will have lost it's form and all that will be left will be the gedo and the tailed beasts chakra.