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[AllKnowingShinobi]

WICKED
1 those that kill the wicked(sasuke)
2 those that protect the wicked(naruto)

justification for option one is that if someone who does wrong and isnt trialed or have been proven innocent but is truly in the wrong, then no matter what they should deserves rightful punishment. but one can say no one has the authority to decide ones life.

justification for option two is that one protects a persons life no matter what they've done in this world. life above all else should be dealt naturally(nature/fate) or from a jury. but of course the wicked never changes, this just allows them to walk another day possibly spreading/continue their wickedness until their karma(kurama) catches up with them.

but which side is more valid and fair. one that is willing to execute what needs to be done or the one that hopes on second chances

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

In other words, Naruto should've killed Sasuke or Sasuke should've committed suicide.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

In other words, Naruto should've killed Sasuke or Sasuke should've committed suicide.

naruto wouldve have rather died than kill sasuke, and sasuke just doesn't have the ballz to pull of suicide. also Narutos ideal world is a fantasy in its self

 

[BenjerminGaye]

u need both.

Without second chances sasuke would have been killed the moment he left the village.

But with second chances madara/ danzo /oro got to where they are.

 

[sayian]

Both bad but ill lean more towards naruto unfortunately. However I will not blame him but rather hiruzen as his pussified morality wouldn't put danzo in his place which led to the massacre, wouldn't kill orochi decades ago which eventually led to sand evasion plus sasuke's corruption to go rogue then of course not punishing bullies who hated naruto out of fear of the kyuubi.

u need both.

Without second chances sasuke would have been killed the moment he left the village.

But with second chances madara/ danzo /oro got to where they are.

How is defecting village death worthy? Even after "killing" orochi and itachi he was easily allowed to come back to village under tsunades era with no charges against him. His first true crime was going after B.

 

[ninjarasengan]

WICKED
1 those that kill the wicked(sasuke)
2 those that protect the wicked(naruto)

justification for option one is that if someone who does wrong and isnt trialed or have been proven innocent but is truly in the wrong, then no matter what they should deserves rightful punishment. but one can say no one has the authority to decide ones life.

justification for option two is that one protects a persons life no matter what they've done in this world. life above all else should be dealt naturally(nature/fate) or from a jury. but of course the wicked never changes, this just allows them to walk another day possibly spreading/continue their wickedness until their karma(kurama) catches up with them.

but which side is more valid and fair. one that is willing to execute what needs to be done or the one that hopes on second chances

Neither side is more valid

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

naruto wouldve have rather died than kill sasuke, and sasuke just doesn't have the ballz to pull of suicide. also Narutos ideal world is a fantasy in its self

I was looking at it from point 1's perspective.

Well Sasuke didn't kill from the perspective that he was killing the wicked but the point that all those who were involved with the uchiha clan massacre were wicked. And after he kills Itachi and learns the truth behind his actions he simply didn't care about other's lives as long as he gets his revenge. Best example would be Karin who he stabbed to get Danzo without a second thought.
Naruto on the other hand never protected the wicked as long as they were wicked, he beats them and TnJs them to submission converting them from bad and wicked to being an asset. Best examples would be Nagato, Obito and Sasuke.
As for his ideal world, its not a fantasy but something he strives to achieve. Whether he achieves it or not is entirely a different thing.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Neither side is more valid

then how can their be progress? thier is no other options unless humans evolve into a more decent living being. if theirs either to show us then their would be chaos, we would be placed with the animals

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

I was looking at it from point 1's perspective.

Well Sasuke didn't kill from the perspective that he was killing the wicked but the point that all those who were involved with the uchiha clan massacre were wicked. And after he kills Itachi and learns the truth behind his actions he simply didn't care about other's lives as long as he gets his revenge. Best example would be Karin who he stabbed to get Danzo without a second thought.
Naruto on the other hand never protected the wicked as long as they were wicked, he beats them and TnJs them to submission converting them from bad and wicked to being an asset. Best examples would be Nagato, Obito and Sasuke.
As for his ideal world, its not a fantasy but something he strives to achieve. Whether he achieves it or not is entirely a different thing.

im saying from a persective of kage sasuke when he wanted to be judge,jury,and executioner. he anit a bad guy he wouldn't kill anyone whom is innocent. i saw kirin as a means to an end sasuke had to kill danzo and danzo had to die kirin was just collateral. damage

naruto always fought the the good side of ppl and only naruto is able to convert the wicked to good ppl, that what makes him so great but he cant do that to every person and forever that would be impossible .

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

im saying from a persective of kage sasuke when he wanted to be judge,jury,and executioner. he anit a bad guy he wouldn't kill anyone whom is innocent. i saw kirin as a means to an end sasuke had to kill danzo and danzo had to die kirin was just collateral. damage

And his Kage version was wicked himself that way trying to enslave and rule with fear by enforcing what he thinks is right.

@Bold Karin was innocent and helped him even during the fight...

naruto always fought the the good side of ppl and only naruto is able to convert the wicked to good ppl, that what makes him so great but he cant do that to every person and forever that would be impossible.

Then he'll have no choice but to kill them as he did by allowing Boruto to kill Momoshiki.

 

[ninjarasengan]

im saying from a persective of kage sasuke when he wanted to be judge,jury,and executioner. he anit a bad guy he wouldn't kill anyone whom is innocent. i saw kirin as a means to an end sasuke had to kill danzo and danzo had to die kirin was just collateral. damage

naruto always fought the the good side of ppl and only naruto is able to convert the wicked to good ppl, that what makes him so great but he can do that the every person that would be impossible .

a means to an end? Like the Uchiha masscre? Meaning Danzo was not necessarily wicked...Same for Nagato,Obito. and Madara.

Sometimes what is wicked is subjective.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Number 2. No doubt

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

And his Kage version was wicked himself that way trying to enslave and rule with fear by enforcing what he thinks is right.

@Bold Karin was innocent and helped him even during the fight...



Then he'll have no choice but to kill them as he did by allowing Boruto to kill Momoshiki.

well momo did it to himself, naruto shouldve killed alot of bad guys (shins included) but he doesnt he gives them a home and hope they can better ppl but not all people can do that. sasuke just lost hope in the ppl and didnt want to wait if their turned good or stayed bad he decided to being the ultimate law( a world if your born pure and good youll be fine if not then youll have to act out as a decent human being or else you die). kinda like what batman does but Sasuke is willing to kill if its justified. in order to make bad go away you either take it out or you teach it.(1 or 2)

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

well momo did it to himself, naruto shouldve killed alot of bad guys (shins included) but he doesnt he gives them a home and hope they can better ppl but not all people can do that. sasuke just lost hope in the ppl and didnt want to wait if their turned good or stayed bad he decided to being the ultimate law. kinda like what batman does but Sasuke is willing to kill if its justified. in order to make bad go away you either take it out or you teach it.(1 or 2)

As I said Naruto only spared who turned neutral or came back to the good side. Shins were just kids and did what the main Shin taught them, they were pacified easily by Naruto's display of power and given the right training and education could easily serve as very useful assets. Again he spared them knowing they could be controlled, had they no backed down then he'd have no choice but to kill them.
I don't mind Sasuke's way either if you don't have what it takes to convert or control others but killing an innocent just to kill a criminal isn't right.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

As I said Naruto only spared who turned neutral or came back to the good side. Shins were just kids and did what the main Shin taught them, they were pacified easily by Naruto's display of power and given the right training and education could easily serve as very useful assets. Again he spared them knowing they could be controlled, had they no backed down then he'd have no choice but to kill them.
I don't mind Sasuke's way either if you don't have what it takes to convert or control others but killing an innocent just to kill a criminal isn't right.

but shins with sharingans kids or not , as is those that are cursed with deep love can easily be manipulated or turned bad later on, naruto the nice guy he is is willing to give them a second chance even if it could cost him later. its like a loaded gun you can take out the bullets or just throw it away and not think about it again. sasuke didnt want to take that risk he would killed all of them before they POSSIBLY turned evil i bet.

you forgot that madara and hash were kids who killed in wars , kids arent saints nor are they guarantee to grow up being good ppl.

 

[ninjarasengan]

but shins with sharingans kids or not , as is those that are cursed with deep love can easily be manipulated or turned bad later on, naruto the nice guy he is is willing to give them a second chance even if it could cost him later. its like a loaded gun you can take out the bullets or just throw it away and not think about it again. sasuke didnt want to take that risk he would killed all of them before they POSSIBLY turned evil i bet.

you forgot that madara and hash were kids who killed in wars , kids arent saints nor are they guarantee to grow up being good ppl.

How do you feel about the Uchiha masscre? Was it the right move...and should Sasuke have been killed back then?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How is defecting village death worthy? Even after "killing" orochi and itachi he was easily allowed to come back to village under tsunades era with no charges against him. His first true crime was going after B.

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[Nick01]

#1 Obviously.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

but shins with sharingans kids or not , as is those that are cursed with deep love can easily be manipulated or turned bad later on, naruto the nice guy he is is willing to give them a second chance even if it could cost him later. its like a loaded gun you can take out the bullets or just throw it away and not think about it again. sasuke didnt want to take that risk he would killed all of them before they POSSIBLY turned evil i bet.

you forgot that madara and hash were kids who killed in wars , kids arent saints nor are they guarantee to grow up being good ppl.

Well that's what he does, as long as they're not a threat and have a chance to be turned into assets he'll let them live. That's not to say he won't consider the negative scenarios and take precautions. Take Orochimaru for example, the only reason he's alive is because of his contribution during the last war. However he's constantly monitored and would be put down if he's ever turns into a threat. So far whoever Naruto has spared has been useful in one way or the other. Naruto knows by instinct who could be used or turned back to the right side taking precautions at the same time.
Sasuke sure did want to kill the Shin clones at first but chose to have faith in Naruto's decision.

@Bold Kids are what the adults wanted them to be. During the warring era, they were thrown into battle with or without their consent. Same thing happened to the Shin clone, they were taught to only keep or support what is useful. Given the right training they could be changed as they're still children.