What is Hinata's role in the war? ...Instead of a mere moral support?

[SpiderRider89]

She didnt keep up with neji he owned her

She didnt dodge his attack only survived for a while .sasuke would do better than her he would survive more and able to do damge on neji ..


Unlike hinata her gentle fist didnt do much damge on neji lee was talking about gentle fist however hinata gentle fist is not that good .


Another thing hinata got hit by neji and sakura is faster than part1 neji if sakura laned a hit hinata wont be able to survive

Sakura is faster stronger smarter than hinata sakura wins nuff said


She did her role fine .

She is not useless at all .plus she is not the heroine so she doesnt need to do more .

Neji out classed her with intelligence and skill, but Hinata was keeping up with his pace and doing a hell of a lot better job than Naruto did. Neji was toying with Naruto until he used the 64 palm, he didn't hold back on Hinata.

I'm not linking you anything else because you are clearly underrating Hinata because of your biased like of Sakura. Hinata dodged quite a few of Neji's attacks, and it's manga Canon, look when she's Seriously wounded and he misses her twice, not only that but if you look closely at their combat scenes, Hinata is blocking Neji's attacks.

Again, where the hell are you getting this deep interpretation of what Lee said? Lee said one simple sentence and you keep altering it to match your skewed beliefs.

Stop basing stuff off of the Databooks, they are not canon unless you can prove it. You seriously think part 2 Sakura could dodge 128 plams? Time basically slowed down for Neji and he was moving at a rapid speed for an extended period. Far faster than we have ever seen Sakura move.

Sakura is smarter than Hinata but all of her moves are at a disadvantage to Hinata's fighting style. All Hinata has to do is push Sakura's arm to the side, blocking her attack and she can destroy the chakra coils in that arm, making it useless for Sakura. Considering Neji part one stood a good chance at beating part two Sakura, I'm sure part 2 Hinata could easily accomplish this feat.

How do you know she won't be with Naruto? Kishi hasn't flat out said, or made a decision that we know of yet. So stop making things up, it just makes you look incompetent.

 

[SpiderRider89]

Kishimoto wrote the databooks, that's why they're cannon.

Proof? It at most said he supervised them.

 

[MissShakra]

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according to google search, kishimoto wrote his databooks

 

[Aim64C]

Kishimoto wrote the databooks, that's why they're cannon.

Do you understand what merchandising is?

Kishimoto 'wrote' the databooks as a loose guide/representation that people would buy. They are not intended to be a bible. He doesn't reference his own databooks to determine how things are going to go or what is going to happen.

If the databooks are to be believed - Itachi has similar chakra reserves to Naruto. And that's silly.

 

[SpiderRider89]

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according to google search, kishimoto wrote his databooks

Even if the databooks are canon, they don't add up.

According to the databooks:

Hidan >>>> Shikamaru

So it's clear that even though they are Canon (I guess) that doesn't mean that they predict the outcome of a battle.

Especially not when it's Hinata vs Sakura, because Hinata's fighting style gives her a huge advantage over Sakura.

 

[MissShakra]

Even if the databooks are canon, they don't add up.

According to the databooks:

Hidan >>>> Shikamaru

So it's clear that even though they are Canon (I guess) that doesn't mean that they predict the outcome of a battle.

Especially not when it's Hinata vs Sakura, because Hinata's fighting style gives her a huge advantage over Sakura.

itd be silly if Hidan wasnt stronger than Shikamaru, it wouldnt be really considered a feat if he was as strong as Hidan or stronger lol Hidan wouldnt have been recruited into Akatsuki....

I still believe Sakura>Hinata, only Kishi will change my mind you make very good points though, and are unbiased in comparison to alot of Hinata fans.

 

[Momo86]

Even if the databooks are canon, they don't add up.

According to the databooks:

Hidan >>>> Shikamaru

So it's clear that even though they are Canon (I guess) that doesn't mean that they predict the outcome of a battle.

Especially not when it's Hinata vs Sakura, because Hinata's fighting style gives her a huge advantage over Sakura.

That is a wrong use of the databooks. I'll quote myself.

the databook tries to analyze -albeit unaccurately, sometimes- the general power level of the ninja without taking matchups, circumstances, equipment, environments, and intel into account.

Kisame has a good matchup against jinchurikis, that's why (IMHO) he got Bee. Shikamaru got Hidan with superior strategy, intel, and support from his friends; Sai owned Deidara and Sasori AT THE SAME TIME with minimal help from Kankuro and Omoi, but mostly because they had no equipment at the time; Guy was the worst matchup for Kisame (who whas exausted by the fight with Bee anyway). And Gaara, with the desert at his disposal, was owning Deidara (field advantage) but then Deidara got the upper hand by treatening the village (circumstantial advantage) and still won.

In short there are plenty of occasions in which the databook values don't determine the outcome of a fight. The databook indicates the general power level of the ninja, compared to the rest of the ninja world. QUick example: Shino can probably be a though matchup for Sasori because his ultra-slim chakra threads are easy to eat for the Kikaichu Beetle. Does that mean that, in the general picture, Sasori and Shino are on the same league? HELL NO.
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[SpiderRider89]

itd be silly if Hidan wasnt stronger than Shikamaru, it wouldnt be really considered a feat if he was as strong as Hidan or stronger lol Hidan wouldnt have been recruited into Akatsuki....

I still believe Sakura>Hinata, only Kishi will change my mind you make very good points though, and are unbiased in comparison to alot of Hinata fans.

Sakura would be at a huge disadvantage against Hinata. The moment Sakura started to build up chakra for an attack, Hinata would be aware. Hinata could also block and attack all in the same move. How is Sakura supposed to counter the gentle fist? If Sakrua punches and Hinata uses her blocking style and pushes her arm to the side with the Twin Lion activated, then Sakura's arm would lose all it's power via the gentle fist. Sakura would literally have to hit Hinata before she could react. Which Hinata isn't easy to surprise.

 

[SpiderRider89]

That is a wrong use of the databooks. I'll quote myself.

You basically told me I was wrong, and then told me I was right.

I was discrediting the validity of databooks in a fight... you said that was wrong... then proceeded to back up my opinion, with your paragraph saying that the databooks aren't reliable in a fight. I'm confused do you agree or not?

 

[Anorien16]

She is not useless at all .plus she is not the heroine so she doesnt need to do more .

Yet the majority of great deeds are done by side characters like Itachi, kakashi, Shikamaru etc . . . . . . no character needs to be d hero or d heroine to fulfill the manga. As who 'needs' to do more is up to Kishi to decide.....

 

[Joshutsu]

Sakura would be at a huge disadvantage against Hinata. The moment Sakura started to build up chakra for an attack, Hinata would be aware. Hinata could also block and attack all in the same move. How is Sakura supposed to counter the gentle fist? If Sakrua punches and Hinata uses her blocking style and pushes her arm to the side with the Twin Lion activated, then Sakura's arm would lose all it's power via the gentle fist. Sakura would literally have to hit Hinata before she could react. Which Hinata isn't easy to surprise.

It's a bad matchup, but sakura doesn't have to go up close to her, she can break the ground and it will become a totally different terrain, this will slow hinata down more than she already is. She can open small fissures to stop hinata when shes charging in, follow up with heavenly kick of pain while shes stuck.

She can sleep Hinata with one of her gasses. IF thet ever had to fight you think, she would go in close? All her fights she has shown to be very observant and she already knows enough about hyuga and their abilities.

 

[Anorien16]

It's a bad matchup, but sakura doesn't have to go up close to her, she can break the ground and it will become a totally different terrain, this will slow hinata down more than she already is. She can open small fissures to stop hinata when shes charging in, follow up with heavenly kick of pain while shes stuck.

She can sleep Hinata with one of her gasses. IF thet ever had to fight you think, she would go in close? All her fights she has shown to be very observant and she already knows enough about hyuga and their abilities.

Breaking the ground wld slow Sakura herself down not mention leave herself exposed for a few seconds (Plus i dont remember Sakura having a strong kick) and also if Hinata is changing and not near her how can she kick her anyway? Plus basic projectiles like bombs are useless against a Hyuga due to Air Palm which can send them right back at the user..... Plus bombs are common shinobi gear everyone has it.

Also why change when u can just Air Palm.

The fight is closer match than u think.

 

[Joshutsu]

Breaking the ground wld slow Sakura herself down not mention leave herself exposed for a few seconds (Plus i dont remember Sakura having a strong kick) and also if Hinata is changing and not near her how can she kick her anyway? Plus basic projectiles like bombs are useless against a Hyuga due to Air Palm which can send them right back at the user..... Plus bombs are common shinobi gear everyone has it.

Also why change when u can just Air Palm.

The fight is closer match than u think.

If you don't remember Sakura havign a strong kick, watch the sasori fight again, and or depending how you feel about RTN check it out. She would not be left exposed for a few seconds if the breaking is directed to Hinata herself. I.E like what Tsunade did to naruto

Bombs, are not the gasses im talking about gasses, shizune taught Sakura how to make those gasses and poisons. Everyone does not have it.

I never said it wasn't a close match, they both are sub par ninja i just think Sakura is better combat wise. Not because a pairup with two particular people is bad for this example particular means the one with the advantage in this situation is overall better.

 

[Anorien16]

If you don't remember Sakura havign a strong kick, watch the sasori fight again, and or depending how you feel about RTN check it out. She would not be left exposed for a few seconds if the breaking is directed to Hinata herself. I.E like what Tsunade did to naruto

Bombs, are not the gasses im talking about gasses, shizune taught Sakura how to make those gasses and poisons. Everyone does not have it.

I never said it wasn't a close match, they both are sub par ninja i just think Sakura is better combat wise. Not because a pairup with two particular people is bad for this example particular means the one with the advantage in this situation is overall better.

Perhaps I missed that kick part, will check out later (I was not aware the Sakura or in fact anyone else than Tsunade, cld do controlled chakra release from her feet). Also if u think breaking wont let her exposed for a second then you are sadly mistaken: Sakura will have to concentrate a punch on the ground (thus crough slightly) which wld make her slightly vulnerable for a few seconds (she can not attack from that crouching position), as she has to straighten up for a kick (She is not comparable to Tsunade, as she is much faster and Naruto was dumb enough to not to know her capabilities)..... not to mention anyone who knows Sakura wld jump sideways when she appears to be punching the ground + a nicely times Air palm can make her land on her ass.

Everyone has different types of bombs, smoke bombs, flash bombs, etc are basic shinobi equipment, also not but Sakura can make soldier pills, does that mean none else cant use it? But again Air Pam can solve the problem (It can blow away d gas), as someone with byakugan can clearly see what thing some one is reaching for in his/her bag.

Actually this a battle is a first hit win type match, it wld depend entirely on the experience and expertise of the combatant. Also Sakura's Taijutsu is overrated, Sakura cld not land a single blow on Omoi and Karui when they were busy fighting Naruto and Sai and she had the tremendous advantage of flanking a already busy enemy (who happened to be holding back) with a surprise attack, instead she got kicked nearly 100 feet away. An good taijutsu user is enough to beat Sakura actually, and Hinata specializes in combat. But due to lack of proper supporting evidence for Hinata i wld give it a 50-50 chance.

 

[Momo86]

You basically told me I was wrong, and then told me I was right.

I was discrediting the validity of databooks in a fight... you said that was wrong... then proceeded to back up my opinion, with your paragraph saying that the databooks aren't reliable in a fight. I'm confused do you agree or not?

I was trying to make the general case. You said the data "don't add up" but I contend that to be inaccurate.

If you ask who's stronger as a ninja in general I can use databook stats as proof that, say, Sasori is generally speaking better than Shino and, similarly, Sakura is generally a stronger kunoichi than Hinata. The outcome of a fight though isn't just dictated by which ninja is better on paper. It may very well happen that if Sakura and Hinata fight, Hinata wins with some trick, strategy, unforseen jutsu or whatnot, still Sakura is generally speaking a stronger kunoichi. There are plenty of reasons one could come to this conclusion (important battles fought by the two, feats possessed by the two, quotes from the characters) but there's one in particular that you can check mathematically and it's the databook.

 

[Honord Sage]

Data-book leaves something very important out, Guts the ability to make yourself beyond what the book says,Take Naruto if you go by the book He should have lost a number of major fights, but His guts and belief in Himself got Him thru the fights.

 

[Joshutsu]

Perhaps I missed that kick part, will check out later (I was not aware the Sakura or in fact anyone else than Tsunade, cld do controlled chakra release from her feet). Also if u think breaking wont let her exposed for a second then you are sadly mistaken: Sakura will have to concentrate a punch on the ground (thus crough slightly) which wld make her slightly vulnerable for a few seconds (she can not attack from that crouching position), as she has to straighten up for a kick (She is not comparable to Tsunade, as she is much faster and Naruto was dumb enough to not to know her capabilities)..... not to mention anyone who knows Sakura wld jump sideways when she appears to be punching the ground + a nicely times Air palm can make her land on her ass.

Everyone has different types of bombs, smoke bombs, flash bombs, etc are basic shinobi equipment, also not but Sakura can make soldier pills, does that mean none else cant use it? But again Air Pam can solve the problem (It can blow away d gas), as someone with byakugan can clearly see what thing some one is reaching for in his/her bag.

Actually this a battle is a first hit win type match, it wld depend entirely on the experience and expertise of the combatant. Also Sakura's Taijutsu is overrated, Sakura cld not land a single blow on Omoi and Karui when they were busy fighting Naruto and Sai and she had the tremendous advantage of flanking a already busy enemy (who happened to be holding back) with a surprise attack, instead she got kicked nearly 100 feet away. An good taijutsu user is enough to beat Sakura actually, and Hinata specializes in combat. But due to lack of proper supporting evidence for Hinata i wld give it a 50-50 chance.

CES is CES, she can do it from any part of her body chakara passes, she was even able to lift that rock off of chiyo. Breaking the ground would leave her exposed, if Hinata was close in the first place, the whole point of me stating that was it being a method of avoiding close combat.

Everyone has the bombs and gasses, but not everyone makes their own. Kakashi even stated Sakuras gas was no ordinary one and that the guy would be knocked out for a while. Which is why i said not everyoen had it.

Also she may be able to see what shes going for but thhat doesn't mean she can figure out what it is as in what type of gas. I took airpalm into consideration, remember when kakashi used the smog against the pain path, he used shinra tensei to push it back and it exploded as the force made contact which is why i think she could still be caught in it.

And you say the battle depends on experience and expertise? I won't say but who do you think tops who in that case.

Sakura was in a blind spot IMo, she woulda gotten the girl but omoi was on the other side, and flipped over her back, being taken by surprised doesn't underrate your taijutsu as far as i'm concerned if you were focused on a target and someone attacked you by surprised you obv didn't see or just had a short interval tiem to react. She did try to attack the 'already busy opponent'.

Lastly lack of evidense if why i would say Sakura wins it. On Sakura's part we have only seen her excercise a certain level of taijutsu as well so we don't know how she would handle fighting a hyuga, or anyone remotely good at taijutsu. I'd say 60-40.

Just personal opinion, don't want to offend anyone.

 

[Anorien16]

CES is CES, she can do it from any part of her body chakara passes, she was even able to lift that rock off of chiyo. Breaking the ground would leave her exposed, if Hinata was close in the first place, the whole point of me stating that was it being a method of avoiding close combat.

Yet I heard from ten ten that only jonin level ninja is able to release chakra from any body part..... but I will just agree to u.

Everyone has the bombs and gasses, but not everyone makes their own. Kakashi even stated Sakuras gas was no ordinary one and that the guy would be knocked out for a while. Which is why i said not everyoen had it.

Well in battle does it matter if u get hit by 5 min duration sleeping gas bomb or 1 hr duration gas bomb??

Also she may be able to see what shes going for but thhat doesn't mean she can figure out what it is as in what type of gas. I took airpalm into consideration, remember when kakashi used the smog against the pain path, he used shinra tensei to push it back and it exploded as the force made contact which is why i think she could still be caught in it.

Well people of meanest intelligence wont wait to find out what kind of bomb.... they usually go Bomb->Counter it..... not Bomb-> what kind of bomb?--> observes effect-> Oh that kind of bomb-> Counter it . . . . . If u observed that incident u might also deduce that if a gas bomb is Air Palmed, the gas may actually moved towards the user who threw it? Naturally the bomb will explode but who will get hit?

And you say the battle depends on experience and expertise? I won't say but who do you think tops who in that case.

One trained and raised specifically for combat... and another for medical, and occasional combat support.

Sakura was in a blind spot IMo, she woulda gotten the girl but omoi was on the other side, and flipped over her back, being taken by surprised doesn't underrate your taijutsu as far as i'm concerned if you were focused on a target and someone attacked you by surprised you obv didn't see or just had a short interval tiem to react. She did try to attack the 'already busy opponent'.

I was thinking to have a proper debate but ur clearly biased here..... Sakura had every kind of advantage possible: enemy busy, enemy holding back, surprise attack, side flanking etc and in the end she was surprised and kicked like a canon ball . . . . it may not underrate some one's taijutsu but clearly shames one's combat capabilities; did she honestly expect an enemy not to fight back? Many similar Shinobi had been taken by surprise but they adjusted immediately..... Also why wld one focus on one target when there are two enemies fighting side by side? ..... no matter what u say being surprised during a surprise attack on a enemy who has tremendous handicaps is not credible thing especially when your supposedly trained to evade all form of attack.

Lastly lack of evidense if why i would say Sakura wins it. On Sakura's part we have only seen her excercise a certain level of taijutsu as well so we don't know how she would handle fighting a hyuga, or anyone remotely good at taijutsu. I'd say 60-40.

That is Hinata's problem..... she has very little panel time for proper judgement.

Just personal opinion, don't want to offend anyone.

Hah at least u dont take offense at proper reasonings, then imagine a scenario you are the victimized one and the start neg repping people..... there is no offense taken in proper debate.

 

[Joshutsu]

Yet I heard from ten ten that only jonin level ninja is able to release chakra from any body part..... but I will just agree to u.



Well in battle does it matter if u get hit by 5 min duration sleeping gas bomb or 1 hr duration gas bomb??



Well people of meanest intelligence wont wait to find out what kind of bomb.... they usually go Bomb->Counter it..... not Bomb-> what kind of bomb?--> observes effect-> Oh that kind of bomb-> Counter it . . . . . If u observed that incident u might also deduce that if a gas bomb is Air Palmed, the gas may actually moved towards the user who threw it? Naturally the bomb will explode but who will get hit?



One trained and raised specifically for combat... and another for medical, and occasional combat support.



I was thinking to have a proper debate but ur clearly biased here..... Sakura had every kind of advantage possible: enemy busy, enemy holding back, surprise attack, side flanking etc and in the end she was surprised and kicked like a canon ball . . . . it may not underrate some one's taijutsu but clearly shames one's combat capabilities; did she honestly expect an enemy not to fight back? Many similar Shinobi had been taken by surprise but they adjusted immediately..... Also why wld one focus on one target when there are two enemies fighting side by side? ..... no matter what u say being surprised during a surprise attack on a enemy who has tremendous handicaps is not credible thing especially when your supposedly trained to evade all form of attack.



That is Hinata's problem..... she has very little panel time for proper judgement.


Hah at least u dont take offense at proper reasonings, then imagine a scenario you are the victimized one and the start neg repping people..... there is no offense taken in proper debate.

Well that's the whole point, shinra tensei was to counter it, just like she would most likely use airpalm her only known means of countering, unless she were to throw a kunai at it to deflect it.

And that's just it, many ninja were taken by surprise and adjusted. the fight didn't last much longer after it happened for anyone to get serious. How am i being bias for stating that? Omoi was not occupied only the girl was. Which is why i don't think it puts her taijutsu to shame.

And yes i don't get offended for debates whenever i get into one 99% of the time you aren't gonna change the other persons opinions even if you make kishi himself say that you are right, so i just state what i think and leave it as that

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Deflecting the 10 tails' attacks, that's her role. Sakura and Hinata both have different roles. Hinata has been on the front lines, but there's not much panel time of that. Sakura heals people, but there's not much panel time of that. Hinata is doing alot considering she only gets a 10th of the panel time of Sakura.