What if Kakashi trained Naruto during the 3 years before Shippuden?

[Manigold]

I am rewatching Naruto and i noticed that one of the moment where Naruto progressed the most, was when Kakashi was training him to get the FRS and that was for a short period of time.

While Jiraiya trained him for 3 years and only thaught him Odama Rasengan, KC control, Ninja basics and Genjutsu defense, something that IMO Kakashi would have covered in a year, taking the other 2 to help him develop his chakra affinity, advance Kage Bunshin and a to teach him new techniques.

I think during those 3 years Naruto didn't progress that much in comparisson to Suckura and Sasuke, who truly progressed in the 3 year time skip.

I dont know if this was a plot restriction from Kishi or whatever, but do you guys think that if Naruto trained with Kakashi during the timeskip, would have progressed a lot faster?

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[Gagster]

No .

 

[Bakimono]

No remember he was a idiot

 

[dark legion]

Jirayia was more focused on learning Naruto how to control kurama chakra .

Kakashi was more focused on learning new jutsus .. cuz he's an expert on jutsus (copied over 1000 jutsu)

(the 1st one is harder )

meanwhile : if you noticed at part 1 . it was and agreement that jiraya take Naruto under his care , so he could be safe from akatsuki (respectively Itachi , cuz kakashi couldn't protect Naruto from itachi . )

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Or perhaps Jiraiya could have taught him sage mode from the beginning, along with wind and another element, fuinjutsu, given him a sage weapon like Sasuke's kusanagi and possibly even the needle jizo and wild lion mane technique, but no, all Naruto needed was a slightly bigger rasengan and to beat the shit out of him with...I mean train with the Kyuubi's power lols.

 

[Manigold]

Or perhaps Jiraiya could have taught him sage mode from the beginning, along with wind and another element, fuinjutsu, given him a sage weapon like Sasuke's kusanagi and possibly even the needle jizo and wild lion mane technique, but no, all Naruto needed was a slightly bigger rasengan and to beat the shit out of him with...I mean train the Kyuubi with him. Lols.

I think Jiraiya could have done more for Naruto's training

 

[To Whatever]

Naruto had to learn the basics either way imo.

J-man also taught Naruto about life and the ways of the world. something Kakashi can do but wouldn't be as well received.

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[redman476]

I hate the fact his jutsu are just rasengan and clones, heck he should of got his element in part 1 and jiraya helped him learn how to use wind style jutsu and in part 2 he got his second. It pissed me off when you see how sasuke had developed over the years, whilst naruto's learnt jack shit, ****ing hate it, im know hoping in the film that Naruto can pull something new in the film and not a damn rasengan varient.

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

I think Kakashi could have helped Naruto train a lot if they worked together but yeah J-Man taught Naruto a lot of other valuable lessons that shouldn't be taken for granted. Also I believe this just filled a plot where all of Team 7 were trained by their respective Sannin. Oro/Sasuke, Tsu/Sakura, J-Man/Naruto.

 

[FemmeFatale]

He need to focuse on sakura, she was the sponge. She had perfect chakra control, training would have been a breeze

 

[ninjarasengan]

I am rewatching Naruto and i noticed that one of the moment where Naruto progressed the most, was when Kakashi was training him to get the FRS and that was for a short period of time.

While Jiraiya trained him for 3 years and only thaught him Odama Rasengan, KC control, Ninja basics and Genjutsu defense, something that IMO Kakashi would have covered in a year, taking the other 2 to help him develop his chakra affinity, advance Kage Bunshin and a to teach him new techniques.

I think during those 3 years Naruto didn't progress that much in comparisson to Suckura and Sasuke, who truly progressed in the 3 year time skip.

I dont know if this was a plot restriction from Kishi or whatever, but do you guys think that if Naruto trained with Kakashi during the timeskip, would have progressed a lot faster?

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You are forgetting something...in the manga Kakashi didn't want Naruto to learn more advanced Jutsu.

He flat out told Jiraiya that even if it was for his protection against Akatsuki that he shouldn't have been taught Rasengan.


and he also wanted Naruto to focus on the basics.


Sasuke didn't really learn much more than Naruto over the time-skip...he just had variations of the jutsu he had pre time-skip also

 

[Kurama999]

Jiraiya had to bring Naruto to a proper Ninja training school to understand about the basic of being a shinobi /ninja.
This was Jiraiya had promised to Minato. And also about rasengan jutsu, invented by Minato himself.
Also, Jiraiya himself was like Naruto, without parents, he understood what sort life Naruto was.
Just as Naruto also understand Gaara.
From Part 2 when Naruto return, he was much better person than in Part 1, if u do noticed.
That 2.5 years was when everyone in K11 were themselves training, so as to meet Naruto skill level.
Also, Sakura also was trained by Tsunade; Sasuke by Orochimaru, etc... Both Sasuke & Sakura training were also completed.
Kakashi was only the one that could trained Sasuke, as 3rd Hokage request and Kakashi having the same sharingan eye; knowing Sasuke being the last Uchiha.
Jiraiya himself did not want the Hokage title, but he was involved in training Minato to reach Hokage.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Jman taught him the basics he skipped out on during his academy days.

 

[Beans2]

Understand that Jiraiya had to start Naruto with the basics, since Naruto didn't really do well at the Academy or learn much from his Genin days. He had to teach Naruto basic chakra control, ninja skills such as taijutsu and weapon usage, help him perfect the summoning technique, help him improve his Rasengan. More than anything, Jiraiya helped Naruto master the Kyubi's chakra and controlling it (though this later backfired when Naruto went on a four-tailed rampage, and Jiraiya had to tighten the seal and instruct Naruto to not rely on its chakra - so all that time spent on using Kyubi chakra was wasted.) He was also training Naruto in improving his bratty personality and helping him mature, since Naruto never had parents he never really matured until post-timeskip.

Though yes, I agree with you that it would have been more interesting if Naruto had learned maybe a bit more during the time skip. Not Sage Mode since that would seem like an asspull, but maybe mastery over the wind element, collaboration ninjutsu with toads, improvement in shunshin speed, close combat skills, and some other jutsu.

 

[Transcendence]

I think it would have been cool to see Naruto trained by both of them.

Learn the basics (Genjutsu resistance, chakra control etc.) from Jiraiya. Including stuff like Kenjutsu, and maybe giving him a similar weapon to the Sword of Kusanagi but from the Toads.

Kakashi teaches him how to add variety to his jutsu set, such as innovating with Kage Bunshin, eventually teaching him Rasenshuriken, and mastering his Fuuton in that time.

It would have paralleled better with Sasuke who got all of the above but with his own skill set. They would have been roughly even at that point, and would make more of a balance between them, once they achieved MS and Sennin Modo respectively.

 

[xxSAGExx]

No, Kakashi isn't the same person after time skip compared to pre-time skip because he had character growth in the time skip and Naruto only trained from 2 1/2 years with Jiraiya. So Kakashi might not have come up with the Shadow clone training or at least not for the majority of the time skip if he ever does. No Kakashi wouldn't have covered all Jiraiya taught Naruto in a year, Kakashi out right commented how did Jiraiya manage to train Naruto because Naruto is dumb. Naruto doesn't understand things when it's explained to him, he's a hands on learner. He's better with it now but that's after he grew more.

Things Jiraiya taught Naruto are: improved his taijutsu (Naruto's old clothes were destroyed by the intense training), improved chakra control, improved his timing with shadow clones, improved his strategy skills (Naruto uses his brains in his unpredictable Naruto way), improved his weapon skills (he turned a clone into a giant Shuriken against Kakashi in the bell test), taught Naruto how to summon other toads, taught Naruto how to break genjutsus, taught Naruto how Oodama Rasengan, taught Naruto "that jutsu", how to use chskra cloak up to version 1 3 tails mode, and the basics which Naruto lacked.

Kakashi wasn't that great a teacher in part 1, he was focused on Sasuke. He trained team 7 on team work and chakra control (walk on trees) and that's it. He trained with Sakura on how to break Genjutsus I believe and trained Sasuke for a month. He never trained Naruto like that, could be because he didn't think much of Naruto and didn't think he could train him. Team 7 was around for months by the way. Kakashi grew in the time skip himself as he trained himself and went on missions so you can't look at what part 2 Kakashi did and think part 1 would do the same.

Also Sasuke's growth speed wasn't normal as Tsunade and Sakura said and is Tsunade, the best medical person, says it isn't normal then it's most likely isn't. Tsunade believes Orochimaru used drugs or/and forbidden jutsus to increase Sasuke's growth speed. We saw Sasuke's base stats increase after taking one of Orochimaru's drug in part 1 so it's not hard to believe; Orochimaru even said he did experiments on Sasuke.

 

[Manigold]

I hate the fact his jutsu are just rasengan and clones, heck he should of got his element in part 1 and jiraya helped him learn how to use wind style jutsu and in part 2 he got his second. It pissed me off when you see how sasuke had developed over the years, whilst naruto's learnt jack shit, ****ing hate it, im know hoping in the film that Naruto can pull something new in the film and not a damn rasengan varient.

I get you, but Sasuke's jutsus are mostly chidori variants aswell, but i still wish Naruto learnt another kind of Jutsus, more fuuton jutsus and may be another nature

 

[nanadaime]

I think it would have been cool to see Naruto trained by both of them.

Learn the basics (Genjutsu resistance, chakra control etc.) from Jiraiya. Including stuff like Kenjutsu, and maybe giving him a similar weapon to the Sword of Kusanagi but from the Toads.

Kakashi teaches him how to add variety to his jutsu set, such as innovating with Kage Bunshin, eventually teaching him Rasenshuriken, and mastering his Fuuton in that time.

It would have paralleled better with Sasuke who got all of the above but with his own skill set. They would have been roughly even at that point, and would make more of a balance between them, once they achieved MS and Sennin Modo respectively.

The problem with that is the fact that naruto would have become more like sasuke big headed thinking he didn't need any ones help after he gained all his power. Not to mention the whole indra and ashura thing where you need friends to back you up to get stronger him being as strong as sasuke would have completely killed that from happening in my opino i mean look at ho arrogant he got after he gained control over karuma's chakara claiming to itachi that he would stop the war himself imagine him having that power after that time skip,and him never being told that he can't do it all alone he would've ended up exactly like sasuke only worse because he would've been far strong due to karuma's chakara now imagine two extremely strong arrogant brats roaming the world it could only lead to something bad happening

 

[nanadaime]

I think it would have been cool to see Naruto trained by both of them.

Learn the basics (Genjutsu resistance, chakra control etc.) from Jiraiya. Including stuff like Kenjutsu, and maybe giving him a similar weapon to the Sword of Kusanagi but from the Toads.

Kakashi teaches him how to add variety to his jutsu set, such as innovating with Kage Bunshin, eventually teaching him Rasenshuriken, and mastering his Fuuton in that time.

It would have paralleled better with Sasuke who got all of the above but with his own skill set. They would have been roughly even at that point, and would make more of a balance between them, once they achieved MS and Sennin Modo respectively.

The problem with that is the fact that naruto would have become more like sasuke big headed thinking he didn't need any ones help after he gained all his power. Not to mention the whole indra and ashura thing where you need friends to back you up to get stronger him being as strong as sasuke would have completely killed that from happening in my opino i mean look at ho arrogant he got after he gained control over karuma's chakara claiming to itachi that he would stop the war himself imagine him having that power after that time skip,and him never being told that he can't do it all alone he would've ended up exactly like sasuke only worse because he would've been far strong due to karuma's chakara now imagine two extremely strong arrogant brats roaming the world it could only lead to something bad happening

 

[nanadaime]

I get you, but Sasuke's jutsus are mostly chidori variants aswell, but i still wish Naruto learnt another kind of Jutsus, more fuuton jutsus and may be another nature

At least sasuke's where different naruto literally only got a bigger rasengan