What I find funny.

[Dantee]

It be like that in anime.

 

[Ansatsuken]

But how do they get to the result without matching each others power first?

So if Madara comes out with perfect Susano'O (which would definitely kill base Hashirama), you expect Hashirama to run at him with a sword (so that the power level would be normal), it's not like they were using their techniques just to show off, if Madara was not exhausted a sword or anything small definitely wouldn't have worked

still dont get what I'm looking for? I think Inoto explained it well to you.

 

[Bimbonium]

I believe the point that he's trying to prove is that how in the world didn't madara nor hashirama killed each other with those big overpowered attacks. Remember that it took a hell of a big blast in order for naruto and sasuke to get K.O while hashirama just used a sword.

Post 8,9,10,11, and 14 shows that he also meant why not just fight small and try to outsmart your opponent

 

[iNotorious]

Post 8,9,10,11, and 14 shows that he also meant why not just fight small and try to outsmart your opponent

It also tells you there is no need for all that big ass fight just to kill your rival when it produce nothing. Yes they produced energy wasting thats all.

They used jutsu so big just to kill a small human but failed.

I dont said bare fist fight only. Hashi vs Madara first fight I think never involved Kurama or Golem. But small scaled Jutsu fight. Still it can be one hell of intense battle.

This's what kind of fight I mean by small scaled fight just to kill your rival. Still leading to Madara's defeat for first time.

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From what I could get from these post is that the big battles were just to show off. They didn't do anything to the other because they were on par. They used big scaled jutsus just to waste their energy but knowing that hashirama is part of the senju clan then we can say that he was going to stay a little longer than madara. Madara got killed by a sword. That's not the point that he's trying to prove I believe.

I think he's saying is that at least naruto and sasuke went all the way down and they got K.O right away plus losing one of their arm! That right there tells you that it the power involved in that last fight were too dangerous but if we compare it with madara vs hashirama's fight.. it just tells you that it was meh.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Post 8,9,10,11, and 14 shows that he also meant why not just fight small and try to outsmart your opponent

What I mean by that-----------> if large jutsu they used to matching each other still couldn't produced the end result why wasting on it. When you used some big ass jutsu, make sure you able to kill your opponent with it regardless if he want to match your jutsu or not. But here in my scans, two most massive jutsus they have still unable to kill each other. What the point? Its like those massive jutsu is nothing just to show off where the real turning point is in small scale fight.

Do I need to bring here Kishi logic as reason?

 

[Bimbonium]

From what I could get from these post is that the big battles were just to show off. They didn't do anything to the other because they were on par. They used big scaled jutsus just to waste their energy but knowing that hashirama is part of the senju clan then we can say that he was going to stay a little longer than madara. Madara got killed by a sword. That's not the point that he's trying to prove I believe.

I think he's saying is that at least naruto and sasuke went all the way down and they got K.O right away plus losing one of their arm! That right there tells you that it the power involved in that last fight were too dangerous but if we compare it with madara vs hashirama's fight.. it just tells you that it was meh.

That was one of his points and my response was they used that to tire each other put.

Still the point here if you coudnt kill your rival using Mega power, whats the point for both side to show it off? Its funny to me.

That was the first post I quoted, and my response was along the line to tire out your opponent so that small scale techs would work

What I mean by that if large just they used to matching each other still couldn't produced the end result why wasting on it. When you used some big ass jutsu, make sure you kill your opponent with it regardless if he want to match your jutsu or not. But here in my scan two most massive jutsus they have still unable to kill each other. What the point? Its like those massive jutsu is nothing just to show off where the real turning point is in small scale fight.

But if they don't use the large scale jutsus, small scale ones won't work and there's the fact that what happens if one of them decides to go small and smart while the other opts for massive OP techs.

The thing is when Madara used perfect Susano'O he wasn't doing it to match Hashirama, he wanted to kill Hashirama, Hashirama had to bring out something of that caliber just to stay alive, it wasn't a "let's try our OP jutsus then go small later on" thing

 

[iNotorious]

That was one of his points and my response was they used that to tire each other put.

That was the first post I quoted, and my response was along the line to tire out your opponent so that small scale techs would work

I see. Oh well, I was hoping to see more permanent damages to both of them while they were having that big fight but they just came out of that tired, nothing else. Disappointed.

 

[Aznkidd]

What I mean by that-----------> if large jutsu they used to matching each other still couldn't produced the end result why wasting on it. When you used some big ass jutsu, make sure you able to kill your opponent with it regardless if he want to match your jutsu or not. But here in my scans, two most massive jutsus they have still unable to kill each other. What the point? Its like those massive jutsu is nothing just to show off where the real turning point is in small scale fight.

Do I need to bring here Kishi logic as reason?

that is like asking 2 big wrestler - why wasting your strength.

Do you know that they are fighting on par, one throw out deathly strike while other try to defend himself from it and attack back and just repeat and repeat until you find an opening to finish your opponent. That is how you fight even in real world.

Not like some fan service where fan able to witness the best power at the end that coming out of nowhere. That is what we called a$$pull when they could have pull it out from the begining to end the opponent....

 

[Ansatsuken]

From what I could get from these post is that the big battles were just to show off. They didn't do anything to the other because they were on par. They used big scaled jutsus just to waste their energy but knowing that hashirama is part of the senju clan then we can say that he was going to stay a little longer than madara. Madara got killed by a sword. That's not the point that he's trying to prove I believe.

I think he's saying is that at least naruto and sasuke went all the way down and they got K.O right away plus losing one of their arm! That right there tells you that it the power involved in that last fight were too dangerous but if we compare it with madara vs hashirama's fight.. it just tells you that it was meh.

You are right.

I never said they couldnt used Big scale jutsu, just what is the point from 90% of massive jutsu fight, they still OK? and it end in small scale fight. If small scale fight be the determinant and where most of the injury came from. Why Kishi need to wasting his time to show us big fight with no result at all like Hashi die/ massive injury etc?

Look even their attire it still intact/ok. And it very surprise Iso Susanoo and Shinsusenju clashed not effect them all

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But look here long after Kurama, PS and Buddha fight. This begin to happen(injury and damaged attire) and I doubt Hashi and Madara ever again using Buddha and PS.

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Its funny

 

[Bimbonium]

I see. Oh well, I was hoping to see more permanent damages to both of them while they were having that big fight but they just came out of that tired, nothing else. Disappointed.

They had plot on their side, cos if Hashirama or Madara died then no war arc

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You are right.

I never said they couldnt used Big scale jutsu, just what is the point from 90% of massive jutsu fight, they still OK? and it end in small scale fight. If small scale fight be the determinant and where most of the injury came from. Why Kishi need to wasting his time to show us big fight with no result at all like Hashi die/ massive injury etc?

Look even their attire it still intact/ok. And it very surprise Iso Susanoo and Shinsusenju clashed not effect them all

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But look here long after Kurama, PS and Buddha fight. This begin to happen(injury and damaged attire) and I doubt Hashi and Madara ever again using Buddha and PS.

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Its funny

Yeah the fact that they took no damage whatsoever is absurd

 

[Ansatsuken]

That was one of his points and my response was they used that to tire each other put.

That was the first post I quoted, and my response was along the line to tire out your opponent so that small scale techs would work



But if they don't use the large scale jutsus, small scale ones won't work and there's the fact that what happens if one of them decides to go small and smart while the other opts for massive OP techs.

The thing is when Madara used perfect Susano'O he wasn't doing it to match Hashirama, he wanted to kill Hashirama, Hashirama had to bring out something of that caliber just to stay alive, it wasn't a "let's try our OP jutsus then go small later on" thing

I said I want the result and this is not about matching one power with your own power.

Maybe I need to say Kishi wasting his time drawing no result big clash. No fault on lifeless drawing here:|

Please understand it dude. I'm tired.

that is like asking 2 big wrestler - why wasting your strength.

Do you know that they are fighting on par, one throw out deathly strike while other try to defend himself from it and attack back and just repeat and repeat until you find an opening to finish your opponent. That is how you fight even in real world.

Not like some fan service where fan able to witness the best power at the end that coming out of nowhere. That is what we called a$$pull when they could have pull it out from the begining to end the opponent....

If you still dont get my point dont waste your time replying bcus I'm tired to explain everything.

I'm talking about result and not power matching.

First of all I called it waste of time bcus it not bring result from the biggest clash. No asspull there mate. You need to understand. People get killed from big final attack is acceptable.

 

[Aznkidd]

I said I want the result and this is not about matching one power with your own power.

Maybe I need to say Kishi wasting his time drawing no result big clash. No fault on lifeless drawing here:|

Please understand it dude. I'm tired.




If you still dont get my point dont waste your time replying bcus I'm tired to explain everything.

I'm talking about result and not power matching.

First of all I called it waste of time bcus it not bring result from the biggest clash. No asspull there mate. You need to understand. People get killed from big final attack is acceptable.

I understand that you want to protect your point of view and want to make it right but it really doesnt work that way. Maybe you are watching DBZ too much.....

How come it is waste of time when you are trying to strike your enemy at the high level of power but unfortunately your enemy has same power to cancel it out ? What is wrong with that ? What do you want they to do then wtf ? If they are not bring out their best then do what ?

 

[Amaterasu]

I find it amazing

They went all out and shit, they were out of chakra, so yeah.

Wood Bunshin GG ur fav

 

[Ansatsuken]

I understand that you want to protect your point of view and want to make it right but it really doesnt work that way. Maybe you are watching DBZ too much.....

How come it is waste of time when you are trying to strike your enemy at the high level of power but unfortunately your enemy has same power to cancel it out ? What is wrong with that ? What do you want they to do then wtf ? If they are not bring out their best then do what ?

Aznkidd Please. If you couldnt do a proper counter argument dont try to sound like you know my point really well.

This has nothing to do with how many I watch DB.

If you is wise enough you can see its not logical they could survived/undamaged if not dead from an explosion that larger than a single mountain ranges produce by their grandest attack. Please analyze the scan I post here.

The match actually between Monster jutsu like Buddha and Kurama susanoo where Hashi and Madara control them. Think about it even though that was Hashi and Madara's jutsu and they used it to counter each other, it more like an ant that happen to be inside massive battle where they can be crush/destroyed by an explosion.

Yes you look at it you can see Buddha counter Iso Susanoo attacks but how they(Hashi and Madara) survived all the beating that Buddha gave to Kurama and vise versa? they were inside an explosion dude many times. They not counter anything bcus they get hit by explosion that being produced from Buddha's hands countering Iso susanoo TBBs clashed.

I'm break it for you to understand

Counter:-

-Hashirama and Madara used their jutsu to counter each other. Madara used Iso Susanoo and Hashirama used Buddha.

-At this time the fight is mostly in the hand of/done by Iso Susanoo and Buddha and not Madara or Hashi. They just control their own jutsu.

Result of countering each other Jutsu:-

-Clashed of Buddha's 1000 hands with numbers of TBB shuriken producing massive explosion that engulfed very wide area of mountain ranges.

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-Madara and Hashirama with their Jutsu survived the explosion. Ok we can accept why Buddha and Kurama managed to survived the explosion but how small human like Hashi and Madara able to survived the same explosion without serious damage if not die? They never escaped the explosion or control their jutsu from far. They are located on the head of their jutsu mean they also got hit by the same explosion.

Do you want to tell me their body durability is similar to their Jutsu durability to able to tank massive explosion? Its not logical at all. They are not Rikudou power character.

How come it is waste of time when you are trying to strike your enemy at the high level of power but unfortunately your enemy has same power to cancel it out ? What is wrong with that ? What do you want they to do then wtf ? If they are not bring out their best then do what ?

I already give you my explanation above.

-Its waste of time from character POV bcus the result of the clashed never damaged let alone killed them/rival. For reader POV it waste of showing bcus no serious damage happen.

-What is wrong here is that clashed not producing serious result on the user(Hashi and Madara) side.

-What I wanted they to do is not important bcus they are not alive to begin with. But here what I looking for is author need to realize this is not logical at all.

-What the point when they bring out their best, the result not matching the effort. Madara want to kill Hashi but failed when logically speaking the explosion they produce can kill them both as a human if not destroying their massive jutsu.

Remember Hashi was a human on the top of his jutsu same as Madara.

When Naruto and Sasuke received heavy damage from their best attack, Mad and Hashi is OK.

And made it more funny, sword end it all when Rasengan and Ama Chidori end Sasuke and Naruto fight.

 

[King Of Pop]

Aznkidd Please. If you couldnt do a proper counter argument dont try to sound like you know my point really well.

This has nothing to do with how many I watch DB.

If you is wise enough you can see its not logical they could survived/undamaged if not dead from an explosion that larger than a single mountain ranges produce by their grandest attack. Please analyze the scan I post here.

The match actually between Monster jutsu like Buddha and Kurama susanoo where Hashi and Madara control them. Think about it even though that was Hashi and Madara's jutsu and they used it to counter each other, it more like an ant that happen to be inside massive battle where they can be crush/destroyed by an explosion.

Yes you look at it you can see Buddha counter Iso Susanoo attacks but how they(Hashi and Madara) survived all the beating that Buddha gave to Kurama and vise versa? they were inside an explosion dude many times. They not counter anything bcus they get hit by explosion that being produced from Buddha's hands countering Iso susanoo TBBs clashed.

I'm break it for you to understand

Counter:-

-Hashirama and Madara used their jutsu to counter each other. Madara used Iso Susanoo and Hashirama used Buddha.

-At this time the fight is mostly in the hand of/done by Iso Susanoo and Buddha and not Madara or Hashi. They just control their own jutsu.

Result of countering each other Jutsu:-

-Clashed of Buddha's 1000 hands with numbers of TBB shuriken producing massive explosion that engulfed very wide area of mountain ranges.

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-Madara and Hashirama with their Jutsu survived the explosion. Ok we can accept why Buddha and Kurama managed to survived the explosion but how small human like Hashi and Madara able to survived the same explosion without serious damage if not die? They never escaped the explosion or control their jutsu from far. They are located on the head of their jutsu mean they also got hit by the same explosion.

Do you want to tell me their body durability is similar to their Jutsu durability to able to tank massive explosion? Its not logical at all. They are not Rikudou power character.



I already give you my explanation above.

-Its waste of time from character POV bcus the result of the clashed never damaged let alone killed them/rival. For reader POV it waste of showing bcus no serious damage happen.

-What is wrong here is that clashed not producing serious result on the user(Hashi and Madara) side.

-What I wanted they to do is not important bcus they are not alive to begin with. But here what I looking for is author need to realize this is not logical at all.

-What the point when they bring out their best, the result not matching the effort. Madara want to kill Hashi but failed when logically speaking the explosion they produce can kill them both as a human if not destroying their massive jutsu.

Remember Hashi was a human on the top of his jutsu same as Madara.

When Naruto and Sasuke received heavy damage from their best attack, Mad and Hashi is OK.

And made it more funny, sword end it all when Rasengan and Ama Chidori end Sasuke and Naruto fight.

all it means is that their battle avatars(ps, shinsuusenju) was durable enough to keep both of them safe from all that explosion.

bold. you cant compare the scale of naruto and sasukes final attack to madara and hashirama, the former two took more damage because they faced a more powerful explosion as a result of more powerful attacks clashing(IA, Dual Rs)

 

[SonicBoom]

It's for portrayal purposes. Hashi and Madz are virtually even, but the scale of the fight is much larger than most.

 

[Ansatsuken]

all it means is that their battle avatars(ps, shinsuusenju) was durable enough to keep both of them safe from all that explosion.

bold. you cant compare the scale of naruto and sasukes final attack to madara and hashirama, the former two took more damage because they faced a more powerful explosion as a result of more powerful attacks clashing(IA, Dual Rs)

Their battle Avatar sure was durable but not them.

The fact is Hashi standing on the top of Mokujin's head. What protect him from all the damage cause by explosion?

I can agree for Madara case. He was standing inside Susanoo's crown. Like Sasuke, Madara could survive the explosion bcus his susanoo protect him. But not Hashirama as he just standing on the head all time. Does Hashi's body as durable as PS or Golem/Buddha. That insane.

Naruto was being protected by Kurama's Avatar and its understandable how he managed to survive big explosion.

Again Madara have the benefit of Susanoo.

Logically all that explosion will kill Hashi if not Madara and end the fight with Madara as a victor. But small scale fight end it all. Plus the massive clash leaving no serious damage at all on Hashi or Madara.