What happened to Italian soldiers

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Back in the days of Rome, the Roman soldiers fought well. They were brave, organized, had great strategy, etc. They won all the battles and in fact, the good performance of the Roman soldiers actually contributed to the collapse of the Roman Empire, given how the Romans won so many battles that there was simply no more enemies to beat and no more peoples to enslave.

But then you notice a very significant decline in the Italian perfomance of war. The States and city-States that inhabit the Italic penninsula haven't won any war since the days of the Lombard League. The defeats include battles against Kingdom of Greece, Ethiopia, Albania, Serbia, etc.

What happened to the Italian military performance?
 

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Because the Romans weren't Italian. They were Roman.

Romans are from Rome. Where is Rome back again? Italy, eh?
Historically, the people from the Italic penninsula are mostly from Roman descendence - much like other Western European nations. This can be perceived from general culture of the Italian and Roman people. And in fact, Romans aren't Romans. They have latin descendency, that comes from the North of the Balcanic penninsula as well as a branch of Greek settlers that separated from Greece itself during the Homeric period. Additionally, the Italians have had sucess even after Rome until the collapse of the Lombard League, whereas a bunch of Northern Italian city-states had a showdown with the Holy Roman Empire.
 

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Most likely disorganization and loss of uniformity across the large military. Not to mention high ranking officers became like feudal lords in respect to their soldiers. They served them selves more than their superiors.

The eventual divvying of the military also caused a split in professional resources that was not entirely evenly split and also caused more disorder.
 
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Rome Fell due to many reasons and it wasn't the fact that they had "no more enemy's ", seeing what helped brought down the western empire was due to the Barbarian tribes. Which they went beyond the Empire’s borders.
And it didn't help that Rome was crumbling from within with its financial crisis,etc.

Military power was great until the Empire got too large and the military was overspending. Since the empire was too large with vast territory to govern,Romans were unable to communicate quickly or effectively enough to manage their holdings. They struggled to get enough troops and resources to defend the front lines from local rebellions and outside attacks.

Also didn't help that the government was corrupted.
 

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Back in the days of Rome, the Roman soldiers fought well. They were brave, organized, had great strategy, etc. They won all the battles and in fact, the good performance of the Roman soldiers actually contributed to the collapse of the Roman Empire, given how the Romans won so many battles that there was simply no more enemies to beat and no more peoples to enslave.

But then you notice a very significant decline in the Italian perfomance of war. The States and city-States that inhabit the Italic penninsula haven't won any war since the days of the Lombard League. The defeats include battles against Kingdom of Greece, Ethiopia, Albania, Serbia, etc.

What happened to the Italian military performance?

Your concept of viewing history is severely messed up. You're being anachronistic, you're projecting the modern day onto the past like everything was exactly the same and directly connected. Italy came into existence in 1861, before that the last time that geographically it was one, was around 1500 years before that and that was something different than modern day Italy. North Italy had been for the majority of that time under the rule of the Holy Roman Emperor, Central Italy under the rule of the pope and South Italy had been under the control of France, Spain, Byzantium, Arabia, Normandy etc. It was even practically an accident that South Italy was added to North and Central Italy during the unification as that wasn't originally the point. Even now there are groups in Italy who wouldn't mind it to have the agrarian, less prosperous south to be cut off. There have been many frictions with the more prosperous, industrial north. And all of this has squat to do with the Roman armies of old.

When Rome was just a city, then they probably used their own soldiers. But the larger their territory became, the more they started using the armies of the conquered lands. A Roman army was an army that fought for Rome and the soldiers and generals came from all corners of the empire and beyond. There is even a joke among historians saying that the Romans couldn't create anything themselves nor that there was such a thing as a real 'Roman culture' as they simply took everything over from existing cultures and assimilated it together. They did exactly the same thing with their soldiers, they stuck everyone together. Near the end the entire Roman army was under the control of German generals and their soldiers were Germans likewise.

Roman citizenship evolved and expanded throughout the history of Rome. In the end everyone within the borders of the empire was a Roman. Many Roman emperors weren't even from what is now Italy and the Eastern Roman empire succeeded in surviving an additional 1000 years...without Rome and they never stopped considering themselves Roman and then I'm not even mentioning the German and Russian emperors, who considered themselves Rome's heir.

Also Rome did not had any shortage of enemies. No idea where you got the idea they had none anymore, how the hell did the Germans took it over then? August tried to make a more northern border, but his armies failed. Trajan conquered a part of the Middle East, but that was soon lost after his death. The Romans were very well aware of Alexander's exploits and they knew about th Silk Roads. It's still unclear as how much they exactly knew about the lands far outside their borders, but Roman coins have been found as far as Vietnam. They definitely knew there was more.

There are many theories as why the Roman Empire fell and one of them is the 'Imperial Overstretch'. It simply got too big and succumbed under its own weight. This gives rise to the paradoxical statement that when they stopped conquering lands, it started going downhill, however that was definitely not because they had a shortage of lands to conquer or enemies to fight. Also they didn't won all their battles, far from.

What happened to the Italian military? The Italian military is not even 200 hundred years old and were never that impressive. What happened to the Roman armies? They conquered the bloody world as most of what would become the colonial powers were once a part and/or fought for Rome and between those two periods they mainly used mercenary groups which came from all the corners of Europe and they only served as long as they got paid. Like hell that they were going to risk their own population. There's a reason why the Vatican Guard is called the Swiss Guard. At the time it was founded, Swiss soldiers were considered the best mercenaries of Europe.

Your question is simply wrong from the get go. The Italian military from the last two centuries is something completely different altogether than the Roman armies and the Lombard League, there is no straight connection.
 

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Romans are from Rome. Where is Rome back again? Italy, eh?
Historically, the people from the Italic penninsula are mostly from Roman descendence - much like other Western European nations. This can be perceived from general culture of the Italian and Roman people. And in fact, Romans aren't Romans. They have latin descendency, that comes from the North of the Balcanic penninsula as well as a branch of Greek settlers that separated from Greece itself during the Homeric period. Additionally, the Italians have had sucess even after Rome until the collapse of the Lombard League, whereas a bunch of Northern Italian city-states had a showdown with the Holy Roman Empire.

Romans weren't only Italian at all. Their borders went as far, as to Scotland. They weren't called Italian, nor did they only live there.. It's basically an ethnic group, like Jewish.​
 
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