What God is NOT

[Cosman]

Soooo what are those beliefs u were talking about

God is a Supreme Being that has always expressed sapience within world religions. There are a few sects and religious routes that have provided a slightly more lose interpretation of God, but in modern day He is described as firstly a HIM. God is a concept (whether you choose to believe this or not) that is solely attributed to a system of faith and sadly when a concept is purely expressed in faith, faith makes the rules.

God is described as a watcher and a creator and he does (in all testaments post christ) watch over us humans. Our dear Rachel is expressing that God is not God. That God is something that she has the authority to discern, which quite frankly is false.

Now expressing and debating what deism is, and what the rejection of those beliefs are (atheism) would be a more potent course of discussion. Rachel is describing God. She using a very specific word that has a very specific definition and she is off the mark.

The only thing that truly negates my words is Neti-Neti and other Taoist views that God in itself is simply undefinable. However it seems the original argument here is that God goes against what the bible believes simply based off ones own personal opinions on what God is not with no proof to back it up.

My argument in a nutshell is that God is exactly what the bible says he is simply because that exact usage of the word has evolved to meaning just that. A supreme being. He is a lot of the things on that list including a janitor for us humans. Technically we defined what God is and we now know what he isn't

 

[itachi4real]

Taxila was dun in by Hephthalites aka Huns. Nalanda by Turks. Both were center of Buddhist studies along with other religious or regular studies.

Just Google any time.

Lol its getting to the point where i dont know what the hell yall talking about

 

[Filo]

You gotta have evil to know what good is. that is all from me

 

[itachi4real]

The only thing that truly negates my words is Neti-Neti and other Taoist views that God in itself is simply undefinable. However it seems the original argument here is that God goes against what the bible believes simply based off ones own personal opinions on what God is not with no proof to back it up.

My argument in a nutshell is that God is exactly what the bible says he is simply because that exact usage of the word has evolved to meaning just that. A supreme being. He is a lot of the things on that list including a janitor for us humans. Technically we defined what God is and we now know what he isn't

Lol i wasmt talking about that...i was referring to the buddha and taoism and that other stuff

But anyways...im getting the idea that u believe in god sooooo do u know god personally i mean did u actually talk to him

 

[Cosman]

Lol its getting to the point where i dont know what the hell yall talking about

We branched off to Hinduism and Buddhism a while back based on the Neti-Neti principals and now it seems the root Buddhist studies post the Huns people (nomadic individuals that roamed the East Asia).

And Taxila being one of the casualties during this time. I forgot they were among the earliest recorded universities on earth.

Lol i wasmt talking about that...i was referring to the buddha and taoism and that other stuff

But anyways...im getting the idea that u believe in god sooooo do u know god personally i mean did u actually talk to him

Lol, I am thorough not a believer in God (the god that we've come to have described to us).

Oh snap. I adblocked the tongue emote and now they're all gone.

 

[SoundBar]

Your thread is too lol worthy to be taken seriously. An abstract list of an entity that has always been discussed as being an integral part of religious ideologies. A central deity in which faith is the integral aspect of basing an indoctrinated agenda.

What in this list do you want me to discuss? How one individual found many things an imaginative and unproven entity does not possess? Or the fact that your copy paste abilities are godly? I can discuss both. If you seriously believe stripping a long winded list of drivel is worthy of coherent discussion then it's high time you splashed water over your face and woke up, cupcake.

You didn't post any coherent discussion points nor your own opinions on the matter, so yes, I will take your post as drivel and read and discuss what I want. Next time you want adequate responses, you might want to come up with a topic that is worthy of such attention.

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Jesus Christ, I think Mary is a PhD of some sort. Lemme guess, God is not a slice of cheese? :snick:

Damn, did you have to go in on him like that?

OP: Not too sure how I should respond, but it sounds like your friend is on the right track. Some of the points of what god is not are actually the reverse of what some people think, if people for a split moment could think more realistically and read this, we would have a lot less "believers" in the world, bottom line, god is not a fix to your problems.

 

[Lightbringer]

There is something called negative theology by renowned philosopher, Maimonides, who basically says that god cannot be defined but one can at least describe him using negative attributes.

examples of this would be

-God is not ignorant (one should not say that God is wise since that word arrogantly implies we know what "wisdom" means on a divine scale, whereas we only know what wisdom is believed to mean in a confined cultural context).

-God is not conceptually defined in terms of space and location.

-God is not conceptually confined to assumptions based on time.

 

[itachi4real]

Damn, did you have to go in on him like that?

OP: Not too sure how I should respond, but it sounds like your friend is on the right track. Some of the points of what god is not are actually the reverse of what some people think, if people for a split moment could think more realistically and read this, we would have a lot less "believers" in the world, bottom line, god is not a fix to your problems.

God really isnt a fix to your problem...people think gd set this up for them and s***. My problem is with god is that why would he want to put his own creation through pain and sorrow and watch his creation starve and kill each other while he sits back and bless certain people. Ur telling me that god blesses others for praying more...this so called god sounds biased

 

[Cosman]

There is something called negative theology by renowned philosopher, Maimonides, who basically says that god cannot be defined but one can at least describe him using negative attributes.

examples of this would be

-God is not ignorant (one should not say that God is wise since that word arrogantly implies we know what "wisdom" means on a divine scale, whereas we only know what wisdom is believed to mean in a confined cultural context).

-God is not conceptually defined in terms of space and location.

-God is not conceptually confined to assumptions based on time.

If I recall, this aspect also dives into the question of God's sapience as it correlates with our own.

 

[Lightbringer]

God really isnt a fix to your problem...people think gd set this up for them and s***. My problem is with god is that why would he want to put his own creation through pain and sorrow and watch his creation starve and kill each other while he sits back and bless certain people. Ur telling me that god blesses others for praying more...this so called god sounds biased

Well pain and sorrow makes one become stronger and develop their own unique identity.

Knowing only happiness in one's life would make one ignorant, and if I were a supreme being I too would want my creations to go through trials in order to prove that they can overcome hardships without the need of divine assistance.

I view life as a test and the reward being what comes after.

If I recall, this aspect also dives into the question of God's sapience as it correlates with our own.

Well I don't think god would be considered a god if here were non-sapient. Of course the mind of a supreme being might work in ways that we cannot even comprehend, but a mind nonetheless.

If all were created by god then we all share a connection with him and perhaps share the image.

 

[Disquiet]

there is one sentence needed to know what god is not

Everything you can come up with your mind, anything you can think about... is not god!

This is more understandable, assuming you're taking a similar approach to the Neti Neti as Ira described it.

However, concerning the God-is-beyond-comprehension-view, I don't know how legit it is to presume that anything we can think about God, is wrong. I'm assuming it's basing this off a number of things. Some of which are as follows:

1) God or "it" is the creator

2) If such a divine being was able to create such intricate systems, then it must be beyond our understanding


What this perspective tells me is that I can think of a gazillion things about God, and not one of them would be right. Don't get me wrong, the Neti Neti is certainly a logical viewpoint (one that has a high chance of being true). But I'm not sure one should be adamant about it if they're truly seeking answers. What hope is there? If I'm to get into connection with this god, it obviously cannot be through thought. Though feelings? However wouldn't my thoughts dictate that? Say this god as I perceive it, is "true love". Then I start aspiring to be a loving individual, loving even enemies and criminals of the worse kind; doing whatever it takes to understand this God. Aren't I on the wrong path from the get-go? Love may be like nothing I think of it to be. Of course one could say we don't necessarily have to understand God or life.

 

[itachi4real]

Well pain and sorrow makes one become stronger and develop their own unique identity.

Knowing only happiness in one's life would make one ignorant, and if I were a supreme being I too would want my creations to go through trials in order to prove that they can overcome hardships without the need of divine assistance.

I view life as a test and the reward being what comes after.







Well I don't think god would be considered a god if here were non-sapient. Of course the mind of a supreme being might work in ways that we cannot even comprehend, but a mind nonetheless.

If all were created by god then we all share a connection with him and perhaps share the image.

This is true...but do u believe there's someone in the sky that grants wishes? This sounds like a damn fairytale ti me...i dont believe in anything...no no i take that back i believe we're the answer/key to everything.. we're it and if people would just recognize it we would be powerful instead of looking to an invisible entity for answers.

Quick quote for ya...if u keep telling people lies eventually they'll believe it- hitler

It crazy how people are soo comfortable with lies instead of the truth- my mother's bishop

 

[Avani]

This is more understandable, assuming you're taking a similar approach to the Neti Neti as Ira described it.

However, concerning the God-is-beyond-comprehension-view, I don't know how legit it is to presume that anything we can think about God, is wrong. I'm assuming it's basing this off a number of things. Some of which are as follows:

1) God or "it" is the creator

How do we know this?

Maybe God came after the creation.

There was neither non-existence nor existence then.
There was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.
What stirred?
Where?
In whose protection?
Was there water, bottlemlessly deep?

There was neither death nor immortality then.
There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day.
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse.
Other than that there was nothing beyond.

Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning,
with no distinguishing sign, all this was water.
The life force that was covered with emptiness,
that One arose through the power of heat.

Desire came upon that One in the beginning,
that was the first seed of mind.
Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom
found the bond of existence and non-existence.

Their cord was extended across.
Was there below?
Was there above?
There were seed-placers, there were powers.
There was impulse beneath, there was giving forth above.

Who really knows?
Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?

Whence this creation has arisen
- perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not -
the One who looks down on it,
in the highest heaven, only He knows
or perhaps even He does not know.

(Creation hymn Rigveda. )

So yea..

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Hey ira didn't knew you can write poems .

 

[Lightbringer]

This is true...but do u believe there's someone in the sky that grants wishes? This sounds like a damn fairytale ti me...i dont believe in anything...no no i take that back i believe we're the answer/key to everything.. we're it and if people would just recognize it we would be powerful instead of looking to an invisible entity for answers.

Quick quote for ya...if u keep telling people lies eventually they'll believe it- hitler

It crazy how people are soo comfortable with lies instead of the truth- my mother's bishop

Well I'm not specifically referring to a christian god, rather simply an omnipotent being.

But to answer your question, I do believe such a being exists, but I don't believe he grants wishes or intervenes directly with our existence, but rather tries to guide us through subtle means.

I also don't believe he's in the sky, a supreme being that created everything means he's a part of everyone and exists everywhere.

Personally I think there is more evidence to such a creature existence rather than all existence stemming from nothing. The world and universe itself has complete synchronicity and it's just hard to believe that everything that exists was birthed from random occurrence; it's just not feasible.

 

[Avani]

Hey ira didn't knew you can write poems .

O_O

That poem was written more than 2000 years ago, a lose translation of original Sanskrit hymn.... It predates Gautam Buddha..

Any way I was half teasing Void. So.. I will leave it.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

O_O That poem was written more than 2000 years ago, a lose translation of original Sanskrit hymn.... It predates Gautam Buddha.. Any way I was half teasing Void. So.. I will leave it.

It's kind of deep to understand will have to go through few times . i gonna save it .:gn:

 

[itachi4real]

Well I'm not specifically referring to a christian god, rather simply an omnipotent being.

But to answer your question, I do believe such a being exists, but I don't believe he grants wishes or intervenes directly with our existence, but rather tries to guide us through subtle means.

I also don't believe he's in the sky, a supreme being that created everything means he's a part of everyone and exists everywhere.

Personally I think there is more evidence to such a creature existence rather than all existence stemming from nothing. The world and universe itself has complete synchronicity and it's just hard to believe that everything that exists was birthed from random occurrence; it's just not feasible.

Guides us through subtle means?... u mean guides some in the right direction and some in the wrong...but hey this is what u believe in and i respect that

 

[Lightbringer]

Guides us through subtle means?... u mean guides some in the right direction and some in the wrong...but hey this is what u believe in and i respect that

Right and wrong, good and evil, is a human concept. But I don't believe god guides everyone, it is a rare and random occurrence.

Say if you were god, wouldn't you do the same?

I'd have my own perfect world where I have complete control over(heaven) and then a world that is left to develop on its own without my influence and I would merely oversee the process and occasionally screw in the loose hinges.

 

[itachi4real]

This is the last thing ima say then im done....when people say things like" god woke me up this morning" or " god led me on the right path" and s*** like that why dont people believe they did it themselves...are they that deep into it that they dont believe in themselves? I swear i have no faith in humanity anymore