[Discussion] What exactly did Zoro do to get the highest strawhat bounty increase?
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Before zoro fight mamonga.May be zoro bounty has increase before as well during moria or after that but didn't shown or may be oda is trying to make bounty of Vice captain of SH acc. to captain.
chopstickchakra
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Diamante didn't really show any feats of that scale or anything near it tbh.
Pica's bounty probably got frozen with doffy's so I don't think it would've been very big.
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It's really simple, the feats of Straw Hat were fit of a guy with 500M bounty, the feats of Zoro were fit for a guy with 320M. It's just that, all the things they did stack up to this bounty. It's not about increments or how much it increases, what they did wasn't exactly worth 200M or 100M, it's everything they did up to this point that stacks up to each bounty.
As for why Zoro would have 320M, in this particular event, he defeated a Logia, Monet, with Killing Intent only, as witnessed by Tashigi herself. Then he went toe to toe with Fugitora, and even if the Admiral wasn't going all out ( I'm not assuming he was ), it was enough for him, also a swordsman, to judge his character and strength personally. And also he defeated a whole City. Pica wasn't exactly a city, but he was city sized. In front of everyone, Marine and Civilian alike, Zoro was seen cutting and defeating colossus bigger than any giant so far ( at the level of San Juan & Inflated Wadatsumi, most likely, bigger than Oars ). So he is indeed worth of 320M, though he is stunted by the fact that he is an underling and not a captain.
As for why Zoro would have 320M, in this particular event, he defeated a Logia, Monet, with Killing Intent only, as witnessed by Tashigi herself. Then he went toe to toe with Fugitora, and even if the Admiral wasn't going all out ( I'm not assuming he was ), it was enough for him, also a swordsman, to judge his character and strength personally. And also he defeated a whole City. Pica wasn't exactly a city, but he was city sized. In front of everyone, Marine and Civilian alike, Zoro was seen cutting and defeating colossus bigger than any giant so far ( at the level of San Juan & Inflated Wadatsumi, most likely, bigger than Oars ). So he is indeed worth of 320M, though he is stunted by the fact that he is an underling and not a captain.
chopstickchakra
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He ate the ripple ripple fruit, as far as we know there isn't a limit to the size of an item he can flutter, he turned an entire level of the plateu into a flutter field against Kyros. He's probably the worst match against Pica within the exec's solely because his fruit nullifies Pica's stone.
A big part of the level 4 which in comparison isn't very big. That still is very small compared to the biggest golem pica made. I do think there is a limit to his df too. Or are we considering that pica too can manipulate ground over multiple countries since same can be said about his df. But obviously, he has a limit.
Diamante might be able to do more than a field but saying the whole golem without any thing to back it up isn't very convincing.
Im sure Zoro was increased so much due to his feats:
- Training under Mihawk
- Role on Fishmen Island
- Destroying Monet w/o haki
- Attacking Fujitora
- Killing Pica
Also, when you take into account that he is still a supernova, then there is a huge reason to increase his bounty alot more then the other Strawhats.
- Training under Mihawk
- Role on Fishmen Island
- Destroying Monet w/o haki
- Attacking Fujitora
- Killing Pica
Also, when you take into account that he is still a supernova, then there is a huge reason to increase his bounty alot more then the other Strawhats.
chopstickchakra
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Over multiple countries no, don't try to throw hyperbole in to try and belittle the counter point rather than qualifying your stance, but over an entire country yeah. I'd say that has pretty much been confirmed, wherever Pica is he can affect all of the stone throughout the entire place, Pica's only implied limit is the size of the source he uses, if the island is 2x2 then that's the limit to his golem but if it's 30x30 then that's the limit of his golem. Even if you think he couldn't do it all at once he could just touch Pica's giant Gollum hand as he's attacking and turn it into a flag before it hits him. Either way Diamante beats Pica.
No it definitely works. If manipulating just a field can make diamante near city level or even higher somehow, why don't multiple countries range for pica who has shown country range already. And so you are saying that pica has no limit?
Also turning a small portion or the hand won't work since he would still get hit by whatever would remain and that is assuming diamante would be able to do it the moment it hits him.
For starters it has been clearly stated that the higher the current bounty is, the more difficult it becomes to increase it. Luffy's bounty was already three times as high as Zoro's before Dressrosa, so saying that the difference in the increase of their bounties is irregular, is plainly a wrong statement as their bounties were not the same. Hypothetically speaking if they had had the same bounty, no doubt Luffy's would have increased more than Zoro's, however Luffy's bounty was already far higher than Zoro's.
Secondly Zoro is the only Strawhat alongside Robin who already obtained a certain amount of renown before joining the Strawhats. When they encountered Kizaru at Shabondy, Kizaru made the comment about Zoro that he was known to be quite the swordsman, so even pre-time skip an admiral was already aware of Zoro's potential. Post-time skip Zoro has only been doing one atrocious act after another and he did them without any real difficulty. The most prominent one was his overwhelming victory over Pica. He slashed a stone giant the size of a small island in half and consequently sliced through Pica's full body haki like it was butter and he did that in front of the entire population of Dressrosa and an admiral. Pica's was DD strongest fighter and yes the marines knew very well how strong he was. They were already keeping tabs on DD and his crew when Law was still a child, so they definitely know what his most prominent fighters are capable of, not in the least because an admiral and his men were watching it all.
A bounty reflects the threat a person poses towards the WG, Zoro's bounty was simply outdated and did not match the threat he poses right now. Frankly Usopp's bounty is far more questionable than Zoro's as in the end the only thing Usopp did was scare Sugar and even that was in fact a fluke. The reason why Usopp's bounty still became that high, was because the consequences of that fluke were tremendous and even the closest witnesses hyped it extremely by calling him a god and DD went even further by giving him a 5 star rating. Zoro's bounty can be considered far more genuine than that of Usuopp as there is really nothing to doubt about him dominating Pica who was showing his full power in front of everyone.
Secondly Zoro is the only Strawhat alongside Robin who already obtained a certain amount of renown before joining the Strawhats. When they encountered Kizaru at Shabondy, Kizaru made the comment about Zoro that he was known to be quite the swordsman, so even pre-time skip an admiral was already aware of Zoro's potential. Post-time skip Zoro has only been doing one atrocious act after another and he did them without any real difficulty. The most prominent one was his overwhelming victory over Pica. He slashed a stone giant the size of a small island in half and consequently sliced through Pica's full body haki like it was butter and he did that in front of the entire population of Dressrosa and an admiral. Pica's was DD strongest fighter and yes the marines knew very well how strong he was. They were already keeping tabs on DD and his crew when Law was still a child, so they definitely know what his most prominent fighters are capable of, not in the least because an admiral and his men were watching it all.
A bounty reflects the threat a person poses towards the WG, Zoro's bounty was simply outdated and did not match the threat he poses right now. Frankly Usopp's bounty is far more questionable than Zoro's as in the end the only thing Usopp did was scare Sugar and even that was in fact a fluke. The reason why Usopp's bounty still became that high, was because the consequences of that fluke were tremendous and even the closest witnesses hyped it extremely by calling him a god and DD went even further by giving him a 5 star rating. Zoro's bounty can be considered far more genuine than that of Usuopp as there is really nothing to doubt about him dominating Pica who was showing his full power in front of everyone.
chopstickchakra
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Because they're not the same land mass like the field and Dressrosa were, not only that it's separated by ocean water which makes DF users lose control of their abilities. So no Pica couldn't(shouldn't be able to) stretch across multiple countries at once but he could from what we've been shown take over an entire island regardless of size until Oda puts an actual size restriction on him. The difference in the two that you aren't seeing or refusing to see is that the field is still connected to the same land mass in question whereas you're purporting Pica could make a Gollum from multiple islands which are not one connected mass, they're not the same thing.
Diamante's sword can extend as he's shown in the manga, he could reach Pica's hand before it reaches his body with his sword.
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No obviously I'm not talking about multiple islands but countries. Let's say, the Alabasta Island which has multiple cities or the Red line. Can Pica manipulate it all?
Can diamante do it via his sword? He could've turned kyros' sword into a fluttery matter instead of getting his sword broken if that were the case.
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chopstickchakra
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According to what the manga's shown yes, Pica could manipulate all of Alabasta or in other words become a Gollum the size of the entire country that Alabasta is on(as long as it's a connected land mass of course) but when would he ever really have the need to? Nothing in the manga has stated there's a limit and nothing has showed he does seeing as he took control of a whole island already. You're putting a limit on him because it seems reasonable(or unreasonable for him to be the size of a nation) but nothing really suggests he can't.
Pretty sure he used his sword to affect the field. He could have but it all depends on how and why the author chooses to use somebody. Every character in fiction isn't at their best 100% of the time. Just because they have the logic behind the ability doesn't mean the author will always see it or choose to use it.
So you're still disliking people's posts just for disagreeing with you, nice to know somethings will never change. Stay classy.
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Uzumaki Macho
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Diamante's ability only affected a portion of Level 4. Pica's statue is much bigger than that.
What? The purpose of the dislike feature is to show that you didn't like the post.
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chopstickchakra
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What exactly about what I said did you dislike besides the fact that it conflicted with your opinion? Don't pretend like we don't see you around here, you're one of the most petty users of the neg rep and dislike. I remember seeing you dislike every single post from one guy in a 3 page thread because he said something you didn't like on page 3 so you went back and disliked every post from the beginning and I know you went back into the thread to do it because you didn't join the thread until the third page. neg and dislike in 3.........2.........1.........
You act like we know that's his biggest move. What we know is the execs all essentially got one shotted. We know most comic/manga villains never use their best moves first. We know one of Diamante's opening moves was turning the entire field into a flutter area. Coupled with the prior information we can safely assume Diamante had more up his sleeve but underestimated his opponent and got one shotted. We've also never been given any indication of a limit for his area of affect but every time we got to see him his affect was larger. Honestly to think a DD executive can only affect an area the size of that field is a bit insulting to the characters and naive or purposefully attempting to downgrade, not saying Diamante was that impressive but to believe he couldn't affect a larger area then that, come on.
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Uzumaki Macho
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Why else would someone dislike someone's post? Would they dislike it for agreeing with their opinion? How do you know how often I give out neg reps? I'm pretty sure I was just trolling when I did that one time.
That's a terrible argument for Diamanté. Using that logic, I can say that Pica can make a golem as big as a country.
chopstickchakra
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From what we've seen in the manga Pica can utilize the entire land mass he's on at the moment, why would you think other?
Also I've seen you do it more than once, it's actually kind of typical(at least for a period) where when you disliked one post by someone you'd go through and dislike the rest also. Personally I use the dislike for people who post abrasive or poor trolling or blatantly false posts, it seems rather petty to dislike something someone said just because you disagree with it, that's essentially disliking his right to voice an opinion. That's where we clearly differ you think it's normal to dislike someone with a differing opinion and I take what they have to say and move on.
lelerskates
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You just favor diamante over Pika. Your posts are complete shit and you're the only one who thinks diamante is stronger than Pika. LOL