[Discussion] What do you think Oda will do with the gorosei?

[Fireplay]

So personally i think the gorosei will turn out to be powerhouses. I'm talking top-tier strong. I think in the final war Luffy, Law, Kid and 2 others (not Zoro and Sanji) will fight the gorosei. What do you think Oda will do with them? Are they just old men? or are they fighters?

 

[KingHashirama]

Kid = Villain... kills innocents for no reason.. I don't think you understand the impact of the scenario you made , would make on the one piece world.

If the villains like Kid were to topple the W.G , its basically the Age of criminals. The ones who would take them on would most likely be Sanji/Zoro/Luffy, Kong vs Dragon, and some others.

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The 2 in the middle will probably face off against Luffy and Zoro
The blonde on the left will be against Sanji
Other 2.. hmm maybe Jimbe or someone , or maybe Sabo.. who knows.

 

[Fireplay]

Kid = Villain... kills innocents for no reason.. I don't think you understand the impact of the scenario you made , would make on the one piece world.

If the villains like Kid were to topple the W.G , its basically the Age of criminals. The ones who would take them on would most likely be Sanji/Zoro/Luffy, Kong vs Dragon, and some others.

Kid isn't really a villain. The final war will be the outlaws vs WG not good vs evil. This war wont revolve around the strawhats. Considering that Kid is a pirate he will be participating aswell (everyone will) and taking into account the portrayal in OP the top trio EoS will be Luffy, Law, Kid. I don't see why he would take on a weaker character than Zoro or Sanji.

 

[YellowFang]

I believe them ordinary super-influential geezers except some look like that they can fight... Like that swordsmaster-geezer...

Another thing is, maybe most of'em are super Haki monsters like WB or SR...

 

[KingHashirama]

Kid isn't really a villain. The final war will be pirates vs marines not good vs evil. This war wont revolve around the strawhats. Considering that Kid is a pirate he will be participating aswell (everyone will) and taking into account the portrayal in OP the top trio EoS will be Luffy, Law, Kid. I don't see why he would take on a weaker character than Zoro or Sanji (yes, he is stronger than both although featless for now)

Final war will be to decide the fate of the world. It in fact will be good vs evil, no matter if you don't one piece to go down that path.

Zoro will be the "Dark King" near the level of the "Pirate King" Luffy, if he doesn't fight the Gorosei.. then there is something seriously retarded about that.. Helll Law's current portrayal is that he is weak compared to Zoro..

And i hope you do know Strawhats aren't going to be the one to cause the war against the W.G its gonna be the Revolutionaries.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Gorosei are the last people in this manga to me. They're apparently so strong that probably above Yonkou level... I guess.

Perhaps we misjudged them as enemies? Could they used the wrong method of maintaining peace? Since they fear something that people don't know of its nature.

 

[Fireplay]

Final war will be to decide the fate of the world. It in fact will be good vs evil, no matter if you don't one piece to go down that path.

Zoro will be the "Dark King" near the level of the "Pirate King" Luffy, if he doesn't fight the Gorosei.. then there is something seriously retarded about that.. Helll Law's current portrayal is that he is weak compared to Zoro..

And i hope you do know Strawhats aren't going to be the one to cause the war against the W.G its gonna be the Revolutionaries.

Law weak compared to Zoro? lol. Anyways the war isn't supposed to be good vs evil. I'll explain it to you. It'll be kinda like the marineford war.

Outlaws "light side" vs WG "dark side". The "light side" wont be filled with saints and good people and the "dark side" wont be filled with bad people. Kid isn't evil and even if he was he would still be on the outlaws side in the final war. He's against the WG. So you can't say it's a good vs evil because the good side is filled with thieves and killers (pirates). Even if it is like that Kid will still be on the good side.

Law is portrayed as an equal/rival to Luffy while Zoro is portrayed as weaker than both and a rival to Sanji. I'm not turning this into a Zoro vs Law thread though so don't reply to that with an argument.

I'm leaning towards Zoro and Sanji ending up fighting the admirals. Luffy, Kid, Law (the big 3) and two others will take on the gorosei. Possibly Sabo and someone else.

And yes, i do know that the revs will start the war.

 

[KingHashirama]

Law weak compared to Zoro? lol. Anyways the war isn't supposed to be good vs evil. I'll explain it to you. It'll be kinda like the marineford war.

Outlaws "light side" vs WG "dark side". The "light side" wont be filled with saints and good people and the "dark side" wont be filled with bad people. Kid isn't evil and even if he was he would still be on the outlaws side in the final war. He's against the WG. So you can't say it's a good vs evil because the good side is filled with thieves and killers (pirates). Even if it is like that Kid will still be on the good side.

Law is portrayed as an equal/rival to Luffy while Zoro is portrayed as weaker than both and a rival to Sanji. I'm not turning this into a Zoro vs Law thread though so don't reply to that with an argument.

I'm leaning towards Zoro and Sanji ending up fighting the admirals. Luffy, Kid, Law (the big 3) and two others will take on the gorosei. Possibly Sabo and someone else.

And yes, i do know that the revs will start the war.

Law portrayed as an equal rival to Luffy? ah i see, that is why he got beat by Dofla.. and needs Luffy to rescue him.. ok.

And Zoro portrayed as a rival to Sanji? Is this a bloody joke? Zoro's rival in the group is the future Pirate King Luffy have you forgotten the albasta arc, where they were both gonna fight each other? or the current arc with Zoro and Luffy going to take on Dofla?

The flaws in your arguments are the following:

- You fail to realize that the World Government represents the world and many innocent people that are protected by it.

- Luffy himself is a criminal , letting all those criminal out of Impel down into the world .. and hence causing the deaths of many..

- Revolutionaries aren't going to accept Kid.... whether you like it or not. Dragon wants order not chaos. Dragon is supporting luffy because that is his son and luffy directly isn't causing any harm to innocent people.

- you are hell bent on making Kid/Law/Luffy into the main 3 for some reason.. when it is illogical..

If some criminals like Law and Kid were to beat the W.G the negative influence and the criminals around the world will just increase. Hence it will be retarded.

 

[Deadai]

I think Oda will eat them.

 

[Avinash012]

I agree with the point of Gorosei being top dogs, They are atleast Admiral level IMO.

 

[Zorø]

Zoro will face the old swordsman thats all I care about and does this mean Mihawk is stronger than that old gorosei sword guy he is the best swordsman afterall. Hmmmm

 

[Avinash012]

Law is portrayed as an equal/rival to Luffy while Zoro is portrayed as weaker than both and a rival to Sanji. I'm not turning this into a Zoro vs Law thread though so don't reply to that with an argument.

No way, Zoro,Luffy,Kid and Law are all on the same level.

In a one on one match b/w any 2 of them would be a super high dif win.

Zoro > Sanji.

Law portrayed as an equal rival to Luffy? ah i see, that is why he got beat by Dofla.. and needs Luffy to rescue him.. ok.

Lmao,It proves nothing,Luffy is the main character,plot is always on his side, Luffy defeating Joker doesn't mean that he is > Law.

Law faced an Admiral along with Joker not just Joker,In a fair battle without plot there is noway in hell for Luffy to beat Joker/Fuji.

End of the day Law = Luffy/Luffy barely wins /Law barely wins.
Same goes for Zoro .

 

[Fireplay]

Law portrayed as an equal rival to Luffy? ah i see, that is why he got beat by Dofla.. and needs Luffy to rescue him.. ok.

Implying that Zoro would beat Dofla. Lol. Sanji got roflstomped. Zoro would get the same treatment. Not to mention Law fought Dofla and Fujitora at the same time before taking on Dofla. His DF also depletes his stamina. No matter how you look at it everything was in Dofla's favor. Not to mention Dofla is stronger than Luffy.

And Zoro portrayed as a rival to Sanji? Is this a bloody joke? Zoro's rival in the group is the future Pirate King Luffy have you forgotten the albasta arc, where they were both gonna fight each other? or the current arc with Zoro and Luffy going to take on Dofla?

Alabasta arc. Was that before or after Luffy went G3 and fought a guy with 4000 Doriki while Zoro and Sanji fought the ones with 2000 range?

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Luffy and Zoro were rivals.

After enies lobby Luffy left Zoro and Sanji behind into their own little game of cops and robbers.

- you are hell bent on making Kid/Law/Luffy into the main 3 for some reason.. when it is illogical..

You said Zoro will be the "Dark king" so your saying he'll be "Rayleigh"

The way i see it:

Luffy=Roger
Law=Whitebeard
Kid=Shiki
Smoker=Garp

Rayleigh wasn't stronger than Whitebeard. Don't know about Shiki since we never saw him at his prime. Wont say anything about Garp since it'll turn this into another versus thread.

- Luffy himself is a criminal , letting all those criminal out of Impel down into the world .. and hence causing the deaths of many..

Yes, Luffy is a criminal. Dragon is a criminal. This is why the final war isn't "good" vs "evil". The war will bring a "new world order" which will lead the world to a better path. In the eyes of WG Dragon is a criminal and the gorosei are "good" when in actuality they don't know about void century or any of those evil deeds caused by the WG. The gorosei are actually the "evil" ones but that still doesn't make Dragon "good" in the WG's eyes. Quite the opposite he's "evil" for opposing them.

- Revolutionaries aren't going to accept Kid.... whether you like it or not. Dragon wants order not chaos. Dragon is supporting luffy because that is his son and luffy directly isn't causing any harm to innocent people.

What makes you think he wont? He'll need all the help he can get during the war and Law and Kid being famous and strong pirates at that point (probably Yonko) will be a great accet. Not to mention the same thing happened with Law and Luffy. If Luffy tells Dragon that Kid can be trusted then Dragon will believe him. When the strawhats didn't trust Law all Luffy had to do is say that he can be trusted and everyone started trusting him. Luffy has that kind of influence on people. Not to mention Kid and Law don't even need to join the revs in order to be at the final war. They can just show up with their alliance and wreck sh*t.

If some criminals like Law and Kid were to beat the W.G the negative influence and the criminals around the world will just increase. Hence it will be retarded.

So how exactly does Law differ from Zoro? the world sees both Law and Zoro as criminals. How does Zoro beating the WG have a positive influence and Law beating the WG has a negative? I'd like to hear more about this logic of yours.


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Luffy wont join the revs. After Dragon is "ready" he'll make his move. Dragon has no say in Law and Kid participating in the war. It's the revs allied with pirates vs the WG. Luffy will be the Pirate King at that point and Dragon will form an alliance with Luffy. Luffy has alot of influence and he'll get people like Law and Kid to allie himself with Dragon and the revs. Dragon wont see Kid and Law and say "No you can't help us defeat the WG". He can't tell them what to do and they don't need his approval in order to fight.

 

[Ineverquit]

There is almost no doubt in my opinion the Gorosei will be the strongest out of the marines (Atleast Admiral level). I think there will be a huge fight/war like during the Marineford arc except the Strawhat pirates, some of the supernovas, and the top revolutionaries like Dragon + Ivankov will be leading the battle instead of WB's Crew.

 

[David1996]

Bet they are super strong

 

[KingHashirama]

No way, Zoro,Luffy,Kid and Law are all on the same level.

In a one on one match b/w any 2 of them would be a super high dif win.

Zoro > Sanji.



Lmao,It proves nothing,Luffy is the main character,plot is always on his side, Luffy defeating Joker doesn't mean that he is > Law.

Law faced an Admiral along with Joker not just Joker,In a fair battle without plot there is noway in hell for Luffy to beat Joker/Fuji.

End of the day Law = Luffy/Luffy barely wins /Law barely wins.
Same goes for Zoro .

Not talking about the Dofla + Fugitora vs Law fight. =]. Law couldn't even put a cut on Dofla.. rofl. And also, I guess i can say Neji > Naruto since the plot is on Naruto's side... right?

Luffy > Law, Law was portrayed as the weaker one even when they were shown. Only supernova who is possibly stronger than Luffy is Kidd or Drake.

Implying that Zoro would beat Dofla. Lol. Sanji got roflstomped. Zoro would get the same treatment. Not to mention Law fought Dofla and Fujitora at the same time before taking on Dofla. His DF also depletes his stamina. No matter how you look at it everything was in Dofla's favor. Not to mention Dofla is stronger than Luffy.


Alabasta arc. Was that before or after Luffy went G3 and fought a guy with 4000 Doriki while Zoro and Sanji fought the ones with 2000 range?

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Luffy and Zoro were rivals.

After enies lobby Luffy left Zoro and Sanji behind into their own little game of cops and robbers.



You said Zoro will be the "Dark king" so your saying he'll be "Rayleigh"

The way i see it:

Luffy=Roger
Law=Whitebeard
Kid=Shiki
Smoker=Garp

Rayleigh wasn't stronger than Whitebeard. Don't know about Shiki since we never saw him at his prime. Wont say anything about Garp since it'll turn this into another versus thread.

Yes, Luffy is a criminal. Dragon is a criminal. This is why the final war isn't "good" vs "evil". The war will bring a "new world order" which will lead the world to a better path. In the eyes of WG Dragon is a criminal and the gorosei are "good" when in actuality they don't know about void century or any of those evil deeds caused by the WG. The gorosei are actually the "evil" ones but that still doesn't make Dragon "good" in the WG's eyes. Quite the opposite he's "evil" for opposing them.

What makes you think he wont? He'll need all the help he can get during the war and Law and Kid being famous and strong pirates at that point (probably Yonko) will be a great accet. Not to mention the same thing happened with Law and Luffy. If Luffy tells Dragon that Kid can be trusted then Dragon will believe him. When the strawhats didn't trust Law all Luffy had to do is say that he can be trusted and everyone started trusting him. Luffy has that kind of influence on people. Not to mention Kid and Law don't even need to join the revs in order to be at the final war. They can just show up with their alliance and wreck sh*t.



So how exactly does Law differ from Zoro? the world sees both Law and Zoro as criminals. How does Zoro beating the WG have a positive influence and Law beating the WG has a negative? I'd like to hear more about this logic of yours.


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Luffy wont join the revs. After Dragon is "ready" he'll make his move. Dragon has no say in Law and Kid participating in the war. It's the revs allied with pirates vs the WG. Luffy will be the Pirate King at that point and Dragon will form an alliance with Luffy. Luffy has alot of influence and he'll get people like Law and Kid to allie himself with Dragon and the revs. Dragon wont see Kid and Law and say "No you can't help us defeat the WG". He can't tell them what to do and they don't need his approval in order to fight.

Implying Sanji is on the same level of Zoro.. rofl. Seeing as Luffy was trained by the Dark King.. and Zoro was trained by Mihawk.. someone who is younkou level.. another sign of the portrayal of Zoro and Luffy being near equals.

Also, who said that Whitebeard was on the level Rayleigh the Dark King? Rayleigh didn't get called the Dark king for nothing you know.


Dragon is criminal in the sense is opposing the government, and will be making a new order, he is bringing forth a revolution. Kid/Law are criminals in the "Criminal" sense where you kill people and all that good stuff. Big difference.

WG are not evil actually, they are simply running a government that has been ran like that for over hundreds of years.p Do you know how many people have been safe due to the WG?? The true evils of the manga are people like Kidd and Blackbeard.


What makes me think he won't? well the fact that he hasn't tried to recruit them makes me think he won't. Also, actually when Dragon makes his move it will matter if he likes Kidd and etc or not. He isn't going to accept some criminals who had been killing people for fun and are now allied with him for their selfish goals. If he was like that he could bail out criminals out of jails any time he wants and recruit them. But he also wants order.

"they can reck shit".. sure and then get f*cked in the ass by the Revos .... unless you believe the world is going to be fine with criminals like Kidd given freedom for their crimes.


You wanna know how Zoro and Law are different? Because Zoro follows his captain, he doesn't kill innocent people even if you force him to. Zoro is only bad because of the situation he was put in by events of his life. Like following Luffy...Zoro has honor and dignity does Law? no.. well atleast he hasn't shown anything on Zoro's level.


Allied = Teaming up = joining forces on purpose

But you seem to believe that everyone is just gonna go against the WG and no pirates will be on the WG side.. why do you believe that?

PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE WG AREN'T GOING TO BE PIRATES LIKE KID AND LAW..... thats like having freaking Kisame take down Danzo as the Hokage..

 

[peace ffor all]

i never saw a manga page or anything stating that law is equal to luffy or zoro is less than law in any way not even in a slightest moment..he is just a supernova along with zoro and luffy,and after timeskip he became a shichibukai and can also use haki as luffy zoro and sanji...that doesnt prove anything...im saying it nowluffy>>law and zoro >=law
even if you go by feats or bounties or anything luffy is far better than law
luffy law
bounty 400 million 200 million
before timeskip
haki can use 3 efficiently 2 utmost only shown armament
feats use wikia for his feats nothing compared to luffy
hype man going to become pirate king never no one compared him to whitebeard exceptsome
stated from begining of manga
if you can prove me wrong..try it if you can..:heh:

 

[Fireplay]

Implying Sanji is on the same level of Zoro.. rofl. Seeing as Luffy was trained by the Dark King.. and Zoro was trained by Mihawk.. someone who is younkou level.. another sign of the portrayal of Zoro and Luffy being near equals.

It doesn't matter who trained who. Coby was trained by Garp himself. Oda has always portrayed Zoro and Sanji as rivals. Show me one scan (after enies) that shows Luffy and Zoro arguing like they're rivals or being portrayed as rivals. Oda has made it clear that Zoro and Sanji are rivals. As i stated earlies. After enies lobby when Luffy went G2 and G3 he left Zoro and Sanji behind.

Luffy's enemy: 4000 Doriki
Zoro's enemy: 2200 Doriki
Sanji's enemy: 2180 Doriki

That alone is enough to declare Zoro as a rival to Sanji. Not to mention the portrayals Oda himself has been making.

Also, who said that Whitebeard was on the level Rayleigh the Dark King? Rayleigh didn't get called the Dark king for nothing you know.

Not saying he wasn't on WB's level. I'm saying he can't beat WB.

Dragon is criminal in the sense is opposing the government, and will be making a new order, he is bringing forth a revolution. Kid/Law are criminals in the "Criminal" sense where you kill people and all that good stuff. Big difference.

Lol. So now Law kills people huh? Anyways, just killing people doesn't make you evil. What matters is who your killing (innocents) Going by your logic Shanks and Ace (also many others) are evil because they've killed people. Ace killed bluejam whereas Shanks let Lucky Roo kill a bandit and just smiled about it.

Also, Law doesn't kill people. In the WG's eyes Law and Dragon are both criminals. Dragon beating the WG has no different influence than Law beating the WG. The world sees both of them as criminals. They don't know that Dragon and Law have saved lives.

You wanna know how Zoro and Law are different? Because Zoro follows his captain, he doesn't kill innocent people even if you force him to. Zoro is only bad because of the situation he was put in by events of his life. Like following Luffy...Zoro has honor and dignity does Law? no.. well atleast he hasn't shown anything on Zoro's level.

So your saying that Law now kills innocent people? Law cured the kids at Punk Hazard, gave the innocent people legs, saved Luffy's life, saved Sanji's life and all of the strawhats lives for that matter. Law doesn't differ from Zoro in any way. They're both criminals but neither of them are evil.

What makes me think he won't? well the fact that he hasn't tried to recruit them makes me think he won't. Also, actually when Dragon makes his move it will matter if he likes Kidd and etc or not. He isn't going to accept some criminals who had been killing people for fun and are now allied with him for their selfish goals. If he was like that he could bail out criminals out of jails any time he wants and recruit them. But he also wants order.

Dragon wouldn't recruit Kid yet. Hell, he doesn't even know who Kid is. The series will go on and Kid's fame will rise and he'll be stronger and have more allies (he'll probably be Yonko). At that time he'd be a great accet. Kid is still a rookie. The fact that Dragon doesn't recruit someone now doesn't mean he's not gonna do it in 3 years or so. Kuma was known as a vicious pirate and was nicknamed "the tyrant" yet Dragon recruited him. Dragon wont say no to help.

Allied = Teaming up = joining forces on purpose

But you seem to believe that everyone is just gonna go against the WG and no pirates will be on the WG side.. why do you believe that?

Pirates like Kid wont be fighting for the WG considering that they already hate them and are purposely causing trouble. Your saying Dragon wont take help from "criminals" like Kid and Law and yet you turn around to say that some pirates will be on WG's side. The world government already hates pirates with passion. Why would they accept their help?

Your contradicting yourself.

PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE WG AREN'T GOING TO BE PIRATES LIKE KID AND LAW..... thats like having freaking Kisame take down Danzo as the Hokage..

No. More like criminals like Sasuke taking down Danzo the Hokage...Oh wait...

WG are not evil actually, they are simply running a government that has been ran like that for over hundreds of years.p Do you know how many people have been safe due to the WG?? The true evils of the manga are people like Kidd and Blackbeard.

Yes they're goals aren't evil but it's safe to assume that their methods are evil considering that their being opposed.


There are two types of pirates.

The Peace main type.

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Peace Main

Described in Romance Dawn Version 1, a peace main is a pirate who goes on adventures and does not really care about amassing treasure or fighting other pirates. Luffy, Brook, Shanks, and Whitebeard are all good examples of pirates based on the old peace mains (along with their respective crews) from Romance Dawn. That is not to say that they will not steal treasure from others if it is there and the chance is open, but their primary goal is usually not to own it and greed is generally not their motivation. More often than not, a peace main pirate sees his or her own crew as their most valuable treasure.

Some pirates start out as peace mains but may have a life changing experience, possibly a great loss or general corruption over time, and become more like a morganeer. The best example of this is Crocodile, who is said to have been very much like Luffy in his youth, or Gekko Moriah, who stated that he was exactly like Luffy until he lost his crew in the New World. Peace mains have been described in Wanted! Chapter 5 as a pirate that goes on adventures funding themselves on the spoils of battles with morganeers.

Then there's the morganeers.

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Morganeer

The morganeer fight for treasure and personal ambition. They are greedy and love to fight just to cause other people pain and misery. Most of the other pirates Luffy and his crew meet are morganeers. Luffy dislikes them and only wants to recruit peace main pirates. Even in the beginning storyline, most One Piece villains are based on the concept of morganeer pirates, such as Buggy, Kuro, and Don Krieg. The peace main pirates however, only steal from them, so it is safe to say that the relations between the two are not the best.

Morganeer pirates do not see their crew as a valuable asset to them and will easily kill them for opposing them as demonstrated by Don Krieg. Kuro also did not think twice about slaughtering his own underlings, and the only sympathy he showed towards his crew was because Luffy stopped him so that they would not have to suffer. Luffy was disgusted to see Kuro slashing his own men half to death.

Also, a majority of the morganeer type pirates shown in One Piece do not dream at all, and if they do, it is about achieving world domination or something along the lines of that. There are only a few morganeer pirate captains who have an amiable relationship with their crew like Vander Decken IX, Brownbeard, Arlong, Buggy, and even Blackbeard himself.

Law would fall into the peace main category.

 

[Hijey]

Shanks will solo them. Does the thought of that make you wet? :x3:

Either 5 Supernovas ( the future PK and WSS being one of them, duh) or old people from past era such as Garp and Rayleigh.