@bold: Madara isn't yours, its Kishi's... just saying U_U
I'd call the changes development o>o
His previous forms were covered in mystery and suspense, then we got to know who he really was and by putting everything we know about him together we have a lot to tell about his personality, background and how much he developed.
@bold: Madara isn't yours, its Kishi's... just saying U_U
I'd call the changes development o>o
His previous forms were covered in mystery and suspense, then we got to know who he really was and by putting everything we know about him together we have a lot to tell about his personality, background and how much he developed.
@bold: Madara isn't yours, its Kishi's... just saying U_U
I'd call the changes development o>o
His previous forms were covered in mystery and suspense, then we got to know who he really was and by putting everything we know about him together we have a lot to tell about his personality, background and how much he developed.
Or a failed characterization.
-Personality: He doesn't have the pure villain charisma like Orochimaru and Madara who are usually blood lusted. He is rather always quite. He doesn't insult where Madara insults his creation(Zetsu), Tsunade and Obito. His personality doesn't purely match a villain.
-Background: Please, his background was utterly pathetic. His reason to turn a villain was the absolute worst. Because of Rin who hasn't shown any interest in him.
I am sorry, but Obito is fail written character and by far one of the worst i have ever seen. He was cool for me when he was masked man, but after that, he became boring and not entertaining.
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Or a failed characterization.
-Personality: He doesn't have the pure villain charisma like Orochimaru and Madara who are usually blood lusted. He is rather always quite. He doesn't insult where Madara insults his creation(Zetsu), Tsunade and Obito. His personality doesn't purely match a villain.
-Background: Please, his background was utterly pathetic. His reason to turn a villain was the absolute worst. Because of Rin who hasn't shown any interest in him.
I am sorry, but Obito is fail written character and by far one of the worst i have ever seen. He was cool for me when he was masked man, but after that, he became boring and not entertaining.
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Boring? Maybe unconventional is the word you're looking for. Also whether you like it or not, Obito is written in a LOT of detail and Kishi explored the depth of his mental state- more than he's ever done for any of those. That's undebatable so no, he's not a *fail written character*, you just don't like him. Probably because he's not such an obvious shonen stereotype like Madara.
It is for a villain. I judge heroes and side characters by other standards, but a villain is supposed to be epic. A villain is supposed to own the heroes and succeed up until the very end when the tide inevitably turns. A good villain is not supposed to fail at everything and be weak.
Boring? Maybe unconventional is the word you're looking for. Also whether you like it or not, Obito is written in a LOT of detail and Kishi explored the depth of his mental state- more than he's ever done for any of those. That's undebatable so no, he's not a *fail written character*, you just don't like him. Probably because he's not such an obvious shonen stereotype like Madara.
Yes he is boring. Ever since the mask was off, he keeps blabing about peace, about he will make the world better. Even by being a Jinchuuriki, he could not display the power of Juubi and couldn't even achieve his goal which shows you he is failure. The fact of the matter that he got TNJ shows he was mentally weak as villain. A villain is supposed to be immune to TNJ, yet Obito wasn't. That shows he was mainly antagonist. The fact you insult Madara shows you're hater and fanboy of Obito. Don't worry, Madara is better villain in everything.
The main thing I see, is that he just cares only for himself. Tobi, Pain, Madara, they care for others. But Orochimaru? Everything is for his amusement or progression. The "Joker villains" are always superior in my eyes.
Yes he is boring. Ever since the mask was off, he keeps blabing about peace, about he will make the world better. Even by being a Jinchuuriki, he could not display the power of Juubi and couldn't even achieve his goal which shows you he is failure. The fact of the matter that he got TNJ shows he was mentally weak as villain. A villain is supposed to be immune to TNJ, yet Obito wasn't. That shows he was mainly antagonist. The fact you insult Madara shows you're hater and fanboy of Obito. Don't worry, Madara is better villain in everything.
This sentence alone shows your immaturity and failure to grasp Obito's character and what actual depth is in this manga. If you think he's actually a pedophile and aren't 10 years old then that's just hilarious. Have fun with your DBZ wannabe. It's clear you only don't like Obito because he opposes Madara in the plot. That's just called bias plain and simple.
His words about peace are monotone and 'boring' as you might call it because he's still trying to hide behind his mask even in his final moments. Inside his mind, he's screaming- all his thoughts and emotions are trying to escape from inside him, which are explored when we go into his mind. THAT'S the dialogue, it just takes a bit more thought than Madara's stereotypical smug gloating.
You're a great debater when it comes to feats and power Madara Rules but seriously, but you don't understand the deeper things or the narrative in the slightest.
The main thing I see, is that he just cares only for himself. Tobi, Pain, Madara, they care for others. But Orochimaru? Everything is for his amusement or progression. The "Joker villains" are always superior in my eyes.
What? since when did Madara care for anyone:|. I could have swore he used everyone as pawn to get revived. The guy literally insulted Zetsu who is his creation and right hand man. He even insulted Obito who is supposedly his descendant.
@numbers: I don't think you understand the meaning of a villain here. What you are displaying from Obito, is not a villain. Obito was more of antagonist. Villain doesn't show regret for his actions like Obito did. Villains do not scream about their past. Villain does not get TNJ. Please go and learn the meaning of a villain.
What? since when did Madara care for anyone:|. I could have swore he used everyone as pawn to get revived. The guy literally insulted Zetsu who is his creation and right hand man. He even insulted Obito who is supposedly his descendant.
@numbers: I don't think you understand the meaning of a villain here. What you are displaying from Obito, is not a villain. Obito was more of antagonist. Villain doesn't show regret for his actions like Obito did. Villains do not scream about their past. Villain does not get TNJ. Please go and learn the meaning of a villain.
That wasn't my point. Your point was how Orochimaru sees everything a tool to achieve his goal. For this matter, Madara only sees the world as something he can rule. In the end of the day, he will be the real winner. And everything he used was a pawn.
That wasn't my point. Your point was how Orochimaru sees everything a tool to achieve his goal. For this matter, Madara only sees the world as something he can rule. In the end of the day, he will be the real winner. And everything he used was a pawn.
I guess they're similar in that regard, but that wasn't my main point. Besides, Madara still cared for people, while Orochimaru did not.
My main point was that Orochimaru wanted chaos and destruction. A dystopia of war. Madara, at the end of the day, wants peace.
Plus, Orochimaru's presence was better, but that's purely my opinion.
I guess they're similar in that regard, but that wasn't my main point. Besides, Madara still cared for people, while Orochimaru did not.
My main point was that Orochimaru wanted chaos and destruction. A dystopia of war. Madara, at the end of the day, wants peace.
Plus, Orochimaru's presence was better, but that's purely my opinion.
], he wants his experiments. What's currently happening in the Shinobi world is world domination. Orochimaru is rather helping the alliance to defeat Madara. Yes, but Madara wants to achieve his goal through brutal force. His actions rather speak louder than his words.
What? since when did Madara care for anyone:|. I could have swore he used everyone as pawn to get revived. The guy literally insulted Zetsu who is his creation and right hand man. He even insulted Obito who is supposedly his descendant.
@numbers: I don't think you understand the meaning of a villain here. What you are displaying from Obito, is not a villain. Obito was more of antagonist. Villain doesn't show regret for his actions like Obito did. Villains do not scream about their past. Villain does not get TNJ. Please go and learn the meaning of a villain.
No but he was. The mask he had for most of the series was a villain. His words and his goals and the damage he caused to the modern ninja world- he's a villain, in the truest sense of the word- it just happened to unravel at the end of his story.
And to be honest if you're only using the term 'villain' as pure-hearted chaos and one big line between right and wrong with nothing in between then clearly the character is bad. Even Madara as simple and unexplored as he is doesn't fit into either category, nobody does.
], he wants his experiments. What's currently happening in the Shinobi world is world domination. Orochimaru is rather helping the alliance to defeat Madara. Yes, but Madara wants to achieve his goal through brutal force. His actions rather speak louder than his words.
He said he doesn't care because it is another man's war, first of all. That right there shows that he has some sort of attachment or sick personal outlook on war. Of course he's helping against something that would turn everyone into slaves and create peace...
If we're going by the superior Part 1 Orochimaru's outlook, which I am, see here
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Orochimaru starts a war due to boredom and "why not?"
Madara "starts" a war for peace.
End goals are a big deal for me. But, my opinion.
You're looking at the failures;
Immortality - Yep. Flaud crappy version. Killed Hiruzen - Yep Got crippled for 3 years in doing so. Established his own village - Yep. Failure of a village. Full of thieves and poverty. Learned countless of forbidden jutsu (Still in progress) - Yep None of which helped him to not get crippled against Hiruzen. Killed Kazekage - Yep Ok I'll give him this one. Manipulated countless of shinobi - Yep: So has Obito. So has Nagato (he even ruled a whole village). So has Danzo. This is no big feat. Manipulate Sunagukure - Yep and Obito manipulated Kirigakure. Nagato took over Amegakure. Your point is? Infiltrated the leaf - Yep: Infiltrations are nothing. Pain infiltrated Konoha. Obito infiltrated Konoha. Deidara infiltrated Suna. Kakazu even got into Konoha when he fought Hashirama. Madara infiltrated Konoha. Infiltrated Akatsuki - Yep: So what? He didn't damage them. Kept tabs on Akatsuki even while he left - Yep: So have all the villages. Your point? Studying a group doesn't make you a good villain. Evaded Akatsuki - Yep Ohh he ran away. Big deal. Evaded the leaf - Yep Same as above. Highest bounty - Yep Irrelevant Is feared - Yep So is Madara. So is Akautski in general. Even Hanzo was feared. Experimented on countless shinobi - Yep Mostly failures. Perfect Madara - Yep Kabuto did this. Deciphered the Uchiha tablet WITHOUT the Sharingan dojutsu - Yep Impressive, but not evil or villain like. Got his arms back - Yep So did Deidara. Your point? Broke a seemingly unbreakable seal which even Minato had no clue on even though his wife taught him alot of Uzamaki seals -Yep Impressive, but not evil. Also has limited use.
Found the Kusanagi blade - Yep. So? Link found the master sword. Itachi found totsuka. Your point?
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I don't see the point of the thread, you basically lost all credibility you even remotely had when you said Kabuto was a better villain. I think you need to have a seat.
"Yeah so did Deidara" is a manga fact. You just shouting denial is just you denying the truth that Orochimaru fails as a villain. At least Kabuto's actions have actually done some significant damage in this war.
"Yeah so did Deidara" is a manga fact. You just shouting denial is just you denying the truth that Orochimaru fails as a villain. At least Kabuto's actions have actually done some significant damage in this war.
Everything Kabuto did was BECAUSE of Orochimaru.
Orochimaru's chakra BINDED FOURTY EDO-TENSEI
Not to mention the fact that they were all Kage level
Mind you, that Deidara couldn't get his arms back from the RDS.
I'm done with this, your thread is done, and you're in denial.
