What do you see in Orochimaru as a villain?

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Why do so many people see Orochimaru as such a great villain? I am not trying to bash the guy, but I judge villains by 3 things:

1. Power
2. Feats
3. Their successes in the processes of achieving their goals.

Now I am mainly going to talk about number 3:

In order to analyze this, we must first ask ourselves: What are Orochimaru's goals? Then we must ask: How did things turn out for them?
Well...

1. Immortality: This was one of Orochimaru's goals. He has achieved it in a sense, but he has to keep going from body to body in order to use it. Furthermore, when one body is damaged or about to expire, he becomes all sickly and goes into a critical condition. He often times even needed Kabuto's aid to help him make the transfer. It is also possible for someone to menatally overpower him when he is trying to transfer (like what Sasuke did), thus meaning that the technique is not even fool proof. After he makes a transfer, he can't transfer again for another 3 years (so if he gets a weak body then he is out of luck for 3 years). There is also no guarantee that he could beat his opponent and forcibly take their body. As for his revival through curse seals, he needs someone to revive him for that. Therefore it is too dependant. Conclusion: This is a very dangerous and imperfect method of immortality. A true immortal person would not have to switch bodies. They'd be like Hidan, but preferably with more durability so that they are not decapitated so easily.

Status of this goal: Slight success, but mostly fail.

2. Obtain a sharingan/ Uchiha body: Status: Fail. This one needs no explanation.

3. Destroy Konoha. Status: Failed and eventually abandoned

4. Learn every jutsu in the world: Status: Fail. He obviously can't use every jutsu in the world.

5. Get the sword of totsuka: Status: Fail. He tried to get this during the battle between Sasuke and Itachi. We all know what happened then.

6. Obtain sage mode: Status: Partial success, but mostly fail. He learned how to get senjutsu chakara, but he could not actually use sage mode. He could only give it to people through curse seals and take it away like he did with Kabuto.

Do you guys see all of Orochimaru's fails? He is great at studying stuff and being a scientist, but he can never capitalize on his goals. Heck, he has actually done more good than he has evil. For instance, he revived the edo hokages and that significantly helped the war. He gave Sasuke the curse mark, which allowed Sasuke to defeat Deidara (an s-rank criminal), save the Konoha 11 from that sound ninja in the forest of death and even save himself. Kabuto was better as a villain than Orochimaru. Heck, he couldn't even beat Hiruzen without being crippled for 3 years.

Now lets compare him to Obito and Madara.

Obito:
1. Capture the bijuus, revive the juubi and become its jinchuuriki: Status: success
2. Get rinnegan from Nagato's corpse: status: success
3. Destroy Konoha: status: success and fail at the same time. He destroyed it both with Kurama and with Pain's attack, but Konoha rebuilt.
4. Activate infinite tsukuyomi: Status: Fail, but this was the last part. The villains are supposed to fail at the last part unless it is one of those sad ending types of stories.

Madara:
1. Crush Konoha: Fail
2. Awaken rinnegan and pave the way for a successor to work on eye of the moon plan: success
3. Get revived: success
4. Defeat Hashirama: success
5. Avenge Izuna: success (because he defeated Tobirama)
6. Capture all bijuus and become the juubi's jinchuuriki: success

I'm not done with this thread, but I have to go somewhere so I will edit later.
 

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he probably will be.

when he bit the zetsu, i thought he was trying to take over its body or something
 

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I see a pedo who likes boys and is insanely strong?
 

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Well for part one he was ok as a villain.
 

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You're looking at the failures;
Immortality - Yep
Killed Hiruzen - Yep
Established his own village - Yep
Learned countless of forbidden jutsu (Still in progress) - Yep
Killed Kazekage - Yep
Manipulated countless of shinobi - Yep
Manipulate Sunagukure - Yep
Infiltrated the leaf - Yep
Infiltrated Akatsuki - Yep
Kept tabs on Akatsuki even while he left - Yep
Evaded Akatsuki - Yep
Evaded the leaf - Yep
Highest bounty - Yep
Is feared - Yep
Experimented on countless shinobi - Yep
Perfect Madara - Yep
Deciphered the Uchiha tablet WITHOUT the Sharingan dojutsu - Yep
Got his arms back - Yep
Broke a seemingly unbreakable seal which even Minato had no clue on even though his wife taught him alot of Uzamaki seals -Yep
Found the Kusanagi blade - Yep
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I don't see the point of the thread, you basically lost all credibility you even remotely had when you said Kabuto was a better villain. I think you need to have a seat.
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The Sasuke cheerleading really gets on my nerves.
 

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You're looking at the failures;
Immortality - Yep
Killed Hiruzen - Yep
Established his own village - Yep
Learned countless of forbidden jutsu (Still in progress) - Yep
Killed Kazekage - Yep
Manipulated countless of shinobi - Yep
Manipulate Sunagukure - Yep
Infiltrated the leaf - Yep
Infiltrated Akatsuki - Yep
Kept tabs on Akatsuki even while he left - Yep
Evaded Akatsuki - Yep
Evaded the leaf - Yep
Highest bounty - Yep
Is feared - Yep
Experimented on countless shinobi - Yep
Perfect Madara - Yep
Deciphered the Uchiha tablet WITHOUT the Sharingan dojutsu - Yep
Got his arms back - Yep
Broke a seemingly unbreakable seal which even Minato had no clue on even though his wife taught him alot of Uzamaki seals -Yep

this ^ :|

i dont even need to say anything after this.. i liked orochimaru purely for the way he manipulated people and his attitude and just the way he seemed to play with his opponents.. also all the snake jutsu's are quite cool

he also created the curse seal
 

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Orochimaru fits the final villian because he is just pure evil,madara and obito can kill and do evil things when they chose or need to but oro can kill for fun or when he is blood thirsty.
 

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The atmosphere around him and all the suspense alone made him better than say Madara, who happens to be the final villain and should be the best.
His whole concept of a cocky, cruel, obssessed, persistent snake is just so appealing. That guy has personality.
Obito was fine until his inevitable demise (ending in a cliche way) and Madara is just a bunch power ups in an attempt to make this manga interesting... extremely boring if you ask me since he'll very likely end up like Obito and subtlety doesn't hurt.

The failed and successful goals are a matter of plot, that's not a very good way to evaluate a fictional character imo.
 
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I judge villain by they objectives

his objective is only for his own fun and the revenge only

all the others seeking for peace in their own way:

Madara --> wants peace in the end
obito --> the same
Nagato --> the same
 

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You're looking at the failures;
Immortality - Yep
Killed Hiruzen - Yep
Established his own village - Yep
Learned countless of forbidden jutsu (Still in progress) - Yep
Killed Kazekage - Yep
Manipulated countless of shinobi - Yep
Manipulate Sunagukure - Yep
Infiltrated the leaf - Yep
Infiltrated Akatsuki - Yep
Kept tabs on Akatsuki even while he left - Yep
Evaded Akatsuki - Yep
Evaded the leaf - Yep
Highest bounty - Yep
Is feared - Yep
Experimented on countless shinobi - Yep
Perfect Madara - Yep
Deciphered the Uchiha tablet WITHOUT the Sharingan dojutsu - Yep
Got his arms back - Yep
Broke a seemingly unbreakable seal which even Minato had no clue on even though his wife taught him alot of Uzamaki seals -Yep
Found the Kusanagi blade - Yep
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I don't see the point of the thread, you basically lost all credibility you even remotely had when you said Kabuto was a better villain. I think you need to have a seat.
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His evil is so much more epic than any other villain's evil.
 

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much better villain than madara. Oro obviously has something up his sleeves...
 

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i see in him as a villian ?

Following Sasuke Orders ?
 

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You are not judging a villain -or a character- in the qualities someone would look in characterization.

It's not just about the power level or their high rate of successes.
 

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Orochimaru is obviously the best villain and u are oro's hater or blind man who cant read manga correctly...
ur thread is full of bullsh1ts ...
 
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If those are the only 3 things you use to grade a character then no wonder you don't get him.

Have fun with no-personality Madara stabbing everyone whilst twirling his evil moustache and petting his cat. Typical boring powerhouse villain with weak motive.
 

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Madara > Orochimaru > Pain > Obito in terms of villain characterization.
 

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Madara > Orochimaru > Pain > Obito in terms of villain characterization.

Be more specific with the word characterization. Because Obito is better written and explored as a character study than any of those.
 
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