[Discussion] What do other countries think of America, and what do Americans think of them?

[Vilvake]

American's aren't even loose c*nts.

I'm not sure if that was a compliment or an insult. I also can't fathom why you felt the need to say that in the first place.

 

[l Oblivion l]

USA is a world superpower, some people hate because they are jelous tbh.............. U_U

 

[Aim64C]

Sorry, but you made some brainwashed comments.

Apparently so. I use this thing called a 'paragraph' because I am brainwashed.

Israel is the one trying to wipe out Palestine.

Get over yourself. If Israel 'tried' to wipe out Palestine, they have more than the capability to make it happen.

Most of the casualties in the Iraq war were civilians.

That is what happens when you have civilian partisans.

Do you take these people for fools? If Chinese troops were to march through our streets, myself (and others like me) would take pot-shots at them every chance we got. We'd be sure to wear civilian clothes (even though a lot of us are prior or current military and may even be operating within surviving military command structures) and we'd collect fallen weapons from the scene. Then, we'd take pictures and report on how China's soldiers were killing civilians.

All is fair in love and war.

Now - what I wouldn't do... is mandate the schools take kids on field trips to strategic military targets, or move my command stations in next to day-cares (or put tracking radars atop school roofs).

But those are the kind of tactics we run into.

I don't blame them for developing effective ways of making our job more difficult. That's expected - we do everything we can stomach to make their job more difficult. I do, however, blame people for being foolish enough to fall for the sleight of hand tactics.

Most of the prisoners in Gitmo were farmers and people who were captured by bounty hunters and then sold to the US army.

The reality of this is that if they weren't sold to the U.S. Army, they would have likely been killed in the tribal conflicts that erupted after the primary control of AQ was defeated.

It's their version of the Salem Witch Trials. As soon as the ability to persecute each other for political and financial advantage comes along - it will be done by many populations.

If you were to suddenly dissolve federal and state/local control within a geographic region of the U.S. - you would find many people who would take the opportunity to take up old feuds that had been settled in courts to their detriment, or to settle old feuds that laws and their enforcement rendered moot.

It's nothing new, and there's only so much that can be done about it, unfortunately. When we started relying upon locals to report AQ members/supporters - it was bound to happen that we would get a few here and there who were just unpopular in their communities.

Muslims trying to kill Americans? Does it exist? Yes. Does Islam condone it? Most certainly not!

Do you have a deficit in your reading comprehension?

When did I accuse all muslims of being this way?

Do you research on this and try to avoid Fox 9 news from permeating your brain with unreliable information and brainwashing you with rhetoric because I disagree with a lot of your contentions from a Muslim Arab perspective.

*rolls eyes*

I suggest you accept reality. Islam is a concept interpreted by men and women. There are groups that interpret this to condone their world views and their actions. -You- would be just as likely to be killed by them as myself - particularly if you voiced your disagreement (most of the problems in Iraq, right now, are because the Shiites and the Sunis are having a particularly passionate disagreement).

If you're not trying to solve your problems by blowing people up - then you're not really of the group I'm concerned about, now are you?

Although I do agree that the dictators are indubitably less favored and easily the people would choose democracy, but a lot of the crimes committed under the US banner wasn't the ideal democratic approach that they boasted about.

To be blunt - most of these regions were not ready for Democracy, to begin with.

Their society, economy, and government has long been a tribal system with the most powerful tribes forcing their policies down the throats of others (if it was considered worth their time). To a lot of the current politically relevant individuals within these regions - 'Democracy' is a way to forego all of the fighting to establish the ruling tribes, and just jump straight to forcing policies down other tribes at spear-point.

They shouldn't have been allowed to vote until they had spent a generation or two being forced to play nice with each other and having their tribe-bound economy broadened to entwine more of the region.

That sounds somewhat hypocritical... but what has been done will not really break the cycle or interrupt the culture of oppression that tends to permeate those regions.

If we look beneath the surface then the perception of the Iraq War changes profoundly and a new less distorted image emerges.

You're simply electing to perceive one distortion over another. To view our involvement in Iraq solely through the process we used for detainment is to ignore the other 98% of our direct actions in the area.

I'm not going to argue that we always made the right choice (or that there was a 'right choice' in some circumstances) - or that there were never any alterior motives at work. But you're claiming to have a perspective you do not truly have.

Take for example Abu Ghraib. Most of the prisoners were innocent. They were captured without trial, subjugated to humiliation and perverse illegal abuse, and a lot of children and even girls were held there for arbitrary reasons. What makes their perspective not plausible and worth taking into consideration??

Your point?

You act as if this was the first time prisoners were ever taken as part of an invasion. Some of these were imprisoned because they were accused of being loyalists to Saddam. Others were imprisoned for being hostile (or to be plotting against) Coalition forces in the region.

Even in the U.S. - you are arrested before your trial and detained. This is out of necessity. If you're arrested under suspicion of murder - then it might not be a good idea to just say: "Hey, man - here's your court date. We, obviously, think we have enough evidence to convict you of murder - so we'll see you, then. Don't go anywhere or do anything stupid."

Same thing, here. Except you're dealing with far more people. It's not ideal.

However... had we -not- done something like this, the result would have been:

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Suspected Saddam loyalists (really or not) would have been slaughtered (we had to start offering bounties to prevent this very thing).

The other reality that you're denying is that the cases of "torture and abuse" were isolated and not the normal experience. That was poor policy on our part. We took soldiers from the front lines (who had friends killed by these people) and then told them to treat them humanely and with dignity while completely detained.

Add into this that some of these people were creating prison-block biological weapons... (urinate and defecate into a plastic cup and let it sit in a warm spot for a few days, adding bits of food scraps, vomit, and other wonderful concoctions... then throw at a guard) - and it's just a bad combination.

Not to mention... a lot of those commands are bass ackwards to begin with (putting unnecessary strain on those who must interact with prisoners who are all too creative in their ways to create more stress and frustration).

I know people who did detainee operations. Stories you'll never hear in the media - good stories, bad stories, and the mundane stories about how 'the expected bad things' didn't happen.

 

[The Big Boss]

Apparently so. I use this thing called a 'paragraph' because I am brainwashed.



Get over yourself. If Israel 'tried' to wipe out Palestine, they have more than the capability to make it happen.



That is what happens when you have civilian partisans.

Do you take these people for fools? If Chinese troops were to march through our streets, myself (and others like me) would take pot-shots at them every chance we got. We'd be sure to wear civilian clothes (even though a lot of us are prior or current military and may even be operating within surviving military command structures) and we'd collect fallen weapons from the scene. Then, we'd take pictures and report on how China's soldiers were killing civilians.

All is fair in love and war.

Now - what I wouldn't do... is mandate the schools take kids on field trips to strategic military targets, or move my command stations in next to day-cares (or put tracking radars atop school roofs).

But those are the kind of tactics we run into.

I don't blame them for developing effective ways of making our job more difficult. That's expected - we do everything we can stomach to make their job more difficult. I do, however, blame people for being foolish enough to fall for the sleight of hand tactics.



The reality of this is that if they weren't sold to the U.S. Army, they would have likely been killed in the tribal conflicts that erupted after the primary control of AQ was defeated.

It's their version of the Salem Witch Trials. As soon as the ability to persecute each other for political and financial advantage comes along - it will be done by many populations.

If you were to suddenly dissolve federal and state/local control within a geographic region of the U.S. - you would find many people who would take the opportunity to take up old feuds that had been settled in courts to their detriment, or to settle old feuds that laws and their enforcement rendered moot.

It's nothing new, and there's only so much that can be done about it, unfortunately. When we started relying upon locals to report AQ members/supporters - it was bound to happen that we would get a few here and there who were just unpopular in their communities.



Do you have a deficit in your reading comprehension?

When did I accuse all muslims of being this way?



*rolls eyes*

I suggest you accept reality. Islam is a concept interpreted by men and women. There are groups that interpret this to condone their world views and their actions. -You- would be just as likely to be killed by them as myself - particularly if you voiced your disagreement (most of the problems in Iraq, right now, are because the Shiites and the Sunis are having a particularly passionate disagreement).

If you're not trying to solve your problems by blowing people up - then you're not really of the group I'm concerned about, now are you?



To be blunt - most of these regions were not ready for Democracy, to begin with.

Their society, economy, and government has long been a tribal system with the most powerful tribes forcing their policies down the throats of others (if it was considered worth their time). To a lot of the current politically relevant individuals within these regions - 'Democracy' is a way to forego all of the fighting to establish the ruling tribes, and just jump straight to forcing policies down other tribes at spear-point.

They shouldn't have been allowed to vote until they had spent a generation or two being forced to play nice with each other and having their tribe-bound economy broadened to entwine more of the region.

That sounds somewhat hypocritical... but what has been done will not really break the cycle or interrupt the culture of oppression that tends to permeate those regions.



You're simply electing to perceive one distortion over another. To view our involvement in Iraq solely through the process we used for detainment is to ignore the other 98% of our direct actions in the area.

I'm not going to argue that we always made the right choice (or that there was a 'right choice' in some circumstances) - or that there were never any alterior motives at work. But you're claiming to have a perspective you do not truly have.



Your point?

You act as if this was the first time prisoners were ever taken as part of an invasion. Some of these were imprisoned because they were accused of being loyalists to Saddam. Others were imprisoned for being hostile (or to be plotting against) Coalition forces in the region.

Even in the U.S. - you are arrested before your trial and detained. This is out of necessity. If you're arrested under suspicion of murder - then it might not be a good idea to just say: "Hey, man - here's your court date. We, obviously, think we have enough evidence to convict you of murder - so we'll see you, then. Don't go anywhere or do anything stupid."

Same thing, here. Except you're dealing with far more people. It's not ideal.

However... had we -not- done something like this, the result would have been:

You must be registered for see links

Suspected Saddam loyalists (really or not) would have been slaughtered (we had to start offering bounties to prevent this very thing).

The other reality that you're denying is that the cases of "torture and abuse" were isolated and not the normal experience. That was poor policy on our part. We took soldiers from the front lines (who had friends killed by these people) and then told them to treat them humanely and with dignity while completely detained.

Add into this that some of these people were creating prison-block biological weapons... (urinate and defecate into a plastic cup and let it sit in a warm spot for a few days, adding bits of food scraps, vomit, and other wonderful concoctions... then throw at a guard) - and it's just a bad combination.

Not to mention... a lot of those commands are bass ackwards to begin with (putting unnecessary strain on those who must interact with prisoners who are all too creative in their ways to create more stress and frustration).

I know people who did detainee operations. Stories you'll never hear in the media - good stories, bad stories, and the mundane stories about how 'the expected bad things' didn't happen.

lol you mad?

 

[OneMellowGuy]

All I have to say is my fellow Americans, we are f*****

 

[Anorien16]

Well why would anyone think bad of the Biggest player on the field.....

 

[Fire of Youth]

Australians typically think Americans are wankers.

 

[sharingan67]

[video=youtube;8o8Knf_DkCY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o8Knf_DkCY[/video]

 

[Sasukenumberonelover]

I live in Canada now, but I used to live in the states before .. So I can't really say I dislike it because I did like it there expecially the warm weather in Florida BR00 *_*

 

[YowYan]

Other than the deluded mindset of being the 'greatest country in the world' and the patriotism in general, I don't mind the people. Their terroristic, interventionist government is another story ;p

But I actually crave for a chance to visit the states. Nice surroundings and stuff.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

In my opinion, America inhabits some of the dumbest people on the planet. But I'd be a fool myself to think that everyone's like that. And I think they're ridiculously overly patriotic, but again, this isn't everyone.

 

[Aim64C]

lol you mad?

I don't get mad.

I simply add names to a list of people who will certainly perish once law and order collapses. Should it be a practical expense of resources to enforce that gurantee, of course.