What did Itachi do for Akatsuki?

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All 9 had not been together since Oro left and they didn't reassemble until towards the end of pt1.
I'd assume that Itachi and Kisame traveled alone during that time, so he would have only had intel on Kisame when Hiruzen was alive. I don't know how much that would have really helped though.

I'd counter this but we already settled or differences

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Pretty sure it benefitted Konoha and kept Sasuke alive.

yeah well it didnt. it increases chances of their deaths

Everything Itachi did was not to benefit himself, but others.

wrong. he didnt give a flying fuk about others. he swas a selfish murderous maniac who had just tortured his own brother inot insanity and forced sauske to kill him just to free himself from guilt

Not really. Also, there has never been a stated population of millions in the manga that were affected by Akatsuki

so you dont think millions died vs nagato?

Obito didn't know everything

yes he did. itachi didnt think he did but he did. what itachi doesnt think is that obito wont put two and two together at this kid demanding he leave his home alone. again itachi is braindead and stupid.

He got 3 bruised ribs and a broken wrist, then Tsukiyomi for 24 hours. The first time it was 48 hours. Not as bad as it could have been

WHAT THE HELL IS WORSE THAN THAT? fukin torture and torment for 3 YEARS?

Sasuke is the one who initiated the fight and then when Itachi attempted to stop it and said he had no interest, Sasuke insisted knowing he was no match. Sasuke's stupidity brought that upon himself.

so itachi torutring him for 24 hours is justified because sasuke started the fight?
your saying i have the right to brutally rape a girl if she hits me?

He was a double spy and managed to stop some of Akatsuki's plans.

he was a vicious murderous terorrist who ensured akatsuki came to power and decalred war on the world with their nukes. he didnt even TRY to stop them.

Kakashi attacked first, Itachi warned him. Kakashi's fault there, Itachi is a double spy who needs to keep his cover,

again no it isnt. its itachis fault. he attacked konoha by going through their barrier without permission. thats basically one big "im an enemy, please kill me".
then he declared war on konoha by attacking and torutirng kakashi ito a coma so eh could revel in kakashis pain and suffering, and decalred war on the world by threatening to take the kyuubi which is the strongest thing in the world at the time, and intending obviously nefarious ends.
why would a "spy" torture his own people into comas and try to take their greatest weapon? if itachi was loyal he would simply kill narto jus to make sure no one else can use the kyuubi. for all itachi knows bijuus cant regenerate. theres no real reason NOT to. i mean kyuubi rampaging is much better than obito using it to kill everyone!
but again itachi is selfish so he wouldnt give a flying fuk if the world got burnt down. as long as yor brothers safe, and as long as your comfortable killing others, do what you want. thats itachis philosophy.

he certainly isn't going to give him a hug.

oh yeah brutal sadistic torture is much more justified and sensible.
also what cover? the cover was blown years ago as i explained above. his enemies already knew what loyalties he had and if he comes back empty handed doesnt he realise this stops nothing and pain will just send someone else?
he wasnt a spy because he didnt do any spy work. konoha knew nothing about anything.

Also, he never did any of this "terrorised corrupted tortured and beat sauske to near death, lied to and manipulated konohas citizens into believing his lies about sasuke and the clan, tortured naruto, ordered sasuke to murder innocent people.

keep telling yourself that. lord knows your just ignoring canonical manga actions

Hiruzen said that Itachi was a good spy and carried out his lifetime mission without complaints.

and the manga states that every fighter in konoa went into akatsuki battles blind and knew nothing about their opponents other than trial and error. nor did they know why they were collecting jins or how many they had gotten already

Also, after hiruzen died considering that no one in Konoha knew the truth bar the elders who were against Tsunade...there was no one he could give intel to. It's not as if Tsunade or anyone else who didn't know the truth would trust Itachi or anything he said.

did you forget tsunade has an entire clan of mindreaders? if itachi surrenders on the condition they read his mind for information, then they would be better prepared for war.
or at least simply DONT BE ITACHI when he tells them. wear a hood, use a genjutsu, use a disguise, DO ANYTHING LIKE A FUKIN NINJA WOULD.
and if this isnt possible, then your admitting itachi is utterly useless and is in akatsuki for no reason.
what use is a spy who cant tell anyone what he knows? none

 

[Chie]

yeah well it didnt. it increases chances of their deaths

wrong. he didnt give a flying fuk about others. he swas a selfish murderous maniac who had just tortured his own brother inot insanity and forced sauske to kill him just to free himself from guilt


so you dont think millions died vs nagato?

yes he did. itachi didnt think he did but he did. what itachi doesnt think is that obito wont put two and two together at this kid demanding he leave his home alone. again itachi is braindead and stupid.

WHAT THE HELL IS WORSE THAN THAT? fukin torture and torment for 3 YEARS?

so itachi torutring him for 24 hours is justified because sasuke started the fight?
your saying i have the right to brutally rape a girl if she hits me?


he was a vicious murderous terorrist who ensured akatsuki came to power and decalred war on the world with their nukes. he didnt even TRY to stop them.

again no it isnt. its itachis fault. he attacked konoha by going through their barrier without permission. thats basically one big "im an enemy, please kill me".
then he declared war on konoha by attacking and torutirng kakashi ito a coma so eh could revel in kakashis pain and suffering, and decalred war on the world by threatening to take the kyuubi which is the strongest thing in the world at the time, and intending obviously nefarious ends.
why would a "spy" torture his own people into comas and try to take their greatest weapon? if itachi was loyal he would simply kill narto jus to make sure no one else can use the kyuubi. for all itachi knows bijuus cant regenerate. theres no real reason NOT to. i mean kyuubi rampaging is much better than obito using it to kill everyone!
but again itachi is selfish so he wouldnt give a flying fuk if the world got burnt down. as long as yor brothers safe, and as long as your comfortable killing others, do what you want. thats itachis philosophy.

oh yeah brutal sadistic torture is much more justified and sensible.
also what cover? the cover was blown years ago as i explained above. his enemies already knew what loyalties he had and if he comes back empty handed doesnt he realise this stops nothing and pain will just send someone else?
he wasnt a spy because he didnt do any spy work. konoha knew nothing about anything.

keep telling yourself that. lord knows your just ignoring canonical manga actions


and the manga states that every fighter in konoa went into akatsuki battles blind and knew nothing about their opponents other than trial and error. nor did they know why they were collecting jins or how many they had gotten already
did you forget tsunade has an entire clan of mindreaders? if itachi surrenders on the condition they read his mind for information, then they would be better prepared for war.
or at least simply DONT BE ITACHI when he tells them. wear a hood, use a genjutsu, use a disguise, DO ANYTHING LIKE A FUKIN NINJA WOULD.
and if this isnt possible, then your admitting itachi is utterly useless and is in akatsuki for no reason.
what use is a spy who cant tell anyone what he knows? none

Nah, I'm pretty sure he cared. He didn't just do it for kicks.

No, Konoha's population seems to be more in the 1000s.

It's not braindead and stupid to not think that someone could find out about your entire life after exchanging a few words with you.

Itachi has had two negative encounters w/ Sasuke during this entire series, it hasn't been 3 years. It was when Sasuke was 8 and another time when Sasuke was 12. I was making the point that 48 hrs is worse than 24 hrs, it wasn't as bad the second time around.

No, I'm pretty sure he hindered them in some ways.

He cannot exactly ask for permission. They don't grant access to S-Rank, nationally-wanted missing-nins. He had to make sure Danzo would remember not to hurt Sasuke. It's also not the best idea to kill Naruto and let Kurama go on a rampage. Kurama would just destroy the village in his little rampage and Obito would probably capture him faster after he was released. It was either put them into a coma to not blow your cover or kill them. Comas are better in this case.

Not entirely blown, considering that no one knew anything bar Obito. That and Itachi didn't know that Obito knew, so to him his cover was still not blown and he therefore acted accordingly.

The Yamanakas? And what would the rest of Akatsuki do if Itachi did that? They would all come to Konoha and wreck it. Info can only do so much, and the Akatsuki usually traveled in pairs. He probably had limited info on everyone bar Kisame.

Disguises wouldn't work, I don't think people would listen to a random stranger coming their way and giving them intel. Genjutsu would be his only chance. But we'll never know if he told Hiruzen anything or not and we also won't know how many chances he had to even get to Konoha and give intel. Just because we don't know, doesn't mean that we should automatically assume that it was totally useless. Obito didn't touch Konoha for the 7 years Itachi was in Akarsuki for whatever reason. They didn't get Naruto. It still counts and therefore was not useless.

 

[Chie]

I'd counter this but we already settled or differences

Well, you already did counter it. He had intel on the majority of them and the most on Kisame.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

It's not braindead and stupid to not think that someone could find out about your entire life after exchanging a few words with you.

all of itachis actions were stupid. and yes obito could. what itachi said was "dont touch the city i just betrayed and the brother i just tortured" which is a hint there were deeper motivations behind both actions.
or obito can ignore him entirely and find it all out later like when he orders itachi to kill the sand village and he refuses or something. there was no way itachi could maintain this "im as evil as hidan" thing.

Itachi has had two negative encounters w/ Sasuke during this entire series, it hasn't been 3 years. It was when Sasuke was 8 and another time when Sasuke was 12. I was making the point that 48 hrs is worse than 24 hrs, it wasn't as bad the second time around.

both acts are the worst and most evil acts done to another human being in the series. only a true sociopathic madman tortures a kid

He cannot exactly ask for permission. They don't grant access to S-Rank, nationally-wanted missing-nins. He had to make sure Danzo would remember not to hurt Sasuke

lol
"danzo dont hurt sasuke.....because only im allowed to do that!"

Not entirely blown, considering that no one knew anything bar Obito. That and Itachi didn't know that Obito knew, so to him his cover was still not blown and he therefore acted accordingly.

but there was no cover as he sat on his ass for 7 years in akatsuki doing nothing so that was a waste of time

It's also not the best idea to kill Naruto and let Kurama go on a rampage. Kurama would just destroy the village in his little rampage and Obito would probably capture him faster after he was released. It was either put them into a coma to not blow your cover or kill them. Comas are better in this case.

no it wasnt. it was either kill akatsukis or attack your own people. he chose the most brutal and insane option and tortured kakashi for absolutely no reason at all other than to prolong his suffering for several days.
itachi is pure evil then if he thinks that letting kyuubi be handed into akatsukiis hands wont end badly. kyuubi stands much more of a chance against the enemy alone than he does stuck in his container.
itachi should know full well that the akatsuki wont be like "you didnt get him? oh well. guess we should leave him alone now."
the whole organsiation is nothing but psychopathic criminal elites. of course theyd have no probelm murdering anyone in their way to get naruto. all itachi did was buy him years at most.

you know what destroys the village? THE REST OF THE BIJUU THAT GOT CAPTURED.you know what destroys the village? an insane sasuke. you know what destroys the village? itachis pissed off buddies in akatsuki. so dont tell me "oh letting naruto go means konoha is safe"

The Yamanakas? And what would the rest of Akatsuki do if Itachi did that? They would all come to Konoha and wreck it.

THEY DID THAT ANYWAY. the only provocation they need is getting kyuubi back

Info can only do so much, and the Akatsuki usually traveled in pairs. He probably had limited info on everyone bar Kisame.

ok..so if hes useless and sitting on his ass complaining about how he cant do anything, why is he still there? hes getting nothing done except furthering the destruiction of the planet. which is apparently what he wants to happen.
every second he stays there and gets nothing done, is another second wasted that he could be spending training reinforcements or hunting down akatsuki connections and allies.

Obito didn't touch Konoha for the 7 years Itachi was in Akarsuki for whatever reason. They didn't get Naruto. It still counts and therefore was not useless.

yes they did. naruto was doomed from the beginning and stood absolutely no chance nor did konoha because itachi sat on his ass and told them nothing which is high treason and ensuring their destruction.
kakuz and hidan were going to konoha to destroy it but were intercepted so its clear obito didnt care about the deal. even when itachi died, did he go to konoha? no he went to sasuke and kept to the shadows besides still ordering others to do his work.
its only after nagato died that obito felt "hey i better launch that war now". so what flying fuks did he care about destroying konoha? obviously konoha will be dragged into his final epic war he was about to do. they could be killed then. itachi saved nothing.
which he only launched because his suboridnates had failed time and again to get naruto. so really there was never any stopping obito outside of killing him which itachi refused to do for no reason.
7 years is irrelevant. obito obviously used that time to make his zetsu army.

itachi proved he wasted his time and was worse than useless. he actually ensured obito was completely unstoppable

 

[Chie]

all of itachis actions were stupid. and yes obito could. what itachi said was "dont touch the city i just betrayed and the brother i just tortured" which is a hint there were deeper motivations behind both actions.
or obito can ignore him entirely and find it all out later like when he orders itachi to kill the sand village and he refuses or something. there was no way itachi could maintain this "im as evil as hidan" thing.


both acts are the worst and most evil acts done to another human being in the series. only a true sociopathic madman tortures a kid

lol
"danzo dont hurt sasuke.....because only im allowed to do that!"


but there was no cover as he sat on his ass for 7 years in akatsuki doing nothing so that was a waste of time

no it wasnt. it was either kill akatsukis or attack your own people. he chose the most brutal and insane option and tortured kakashi for absolutely no reason at all other than to prolong his suffering for several days.
itachi is pure evil then if he thinks that letting kyuubi be handed into akatsukiis hands wont end badly. kyuubi stands much more of a chance against the enemy alone than he does stuck in his container.
itachi should know full well that the akatsuki wont be like "you didnt get him? oh well. guess we should leave him alone now."
the whole organsiation is nothing but psychopathic criminal elites. of course theyd have no probelm murdering anyone in their way to get naruto. all itachi did was buy him years at most.

you know what destroys the village? THE REST OF THE BIJUU THAT GOT CAPTURED.you know what destroys the village? an insane sasuke. you know what destroys the village? itachis pissed off buddies in akatsuki. so dont tell me "oh letting naruto go means konoha is safe"


THEY DID THAT ANYWAY. the only provocation they need is getting kyuubi back

ok..so if hes useless and sitting on his ass complaining about how he cant do anything, why is he still there? hes getting nothing done except furthering the destruiction of the planet. which is apparently what he wants to happen.
every second he stays there and gets nothing done, is another second wasted that he could be spending training reinforcements or hunting down akatsuki connections and allies.

yes they did. naruto was doomed from the beginning and stood absolutely no chance nor did konoha because itachi sat on his ass and told them nothing which is high treason and ensuring their destruction.
kakuz and hidan were going to konoha to destroy it but were intercepted so its clear obito didnt care about the deal. even when itachi died, did he go to konoha? no he went to sasuke and kept to the shadows besides still ordering others to do his work.
its only after nagato died that obito felt "hey i better launch that war now". so what flying fuks did he care about destroying konoha? obviously konoha will be dragged into his final epic war he was about to do. they could be killed then. itachi saved nothing.
which he only launched because his suboridnates had failed time and again to get naruto. so really there was never any stopping obito outside of killing him which itachi refused to do for no reason.
7 years is irrelevant. obito obviously used that time to make his zetsu army.

itachi proved he wasted his time and was worse than useless. he actually ensured obito was completely unstoppable

Itachi was sane and as stated by Kishimoto, a hero. He's a shinobi and the best example of one in this story. I simply just don't see it the same way as you do. I'm going to keep my opinion, and you can very well keep yours. We can just agree to disagree.

 

[CoastalKid]

Well he did help with recruiting deidara so that could've been part of his role

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

itachi was an insane, terorising manipulating torturing madman who was so evil that he brutally tortured his own screaming innocent 6 year pold brother in cold blood, condemning him to a lifetime of suffering and pain.
as shown in the manga, itachi is cold blooded, lying, manipulative, evil, insane, apathetic, dogmatic, savage and brutal. he massacred hundreds of people because he deemed them threats to his government, and didnt even give anyone a fair trial. thats the kind of person you want to call a hero?
he planned to brainwash and enslave his own brother for eternity. thats a hero?
he abandoned konoha to desturciton by doing nothing to even slow down major threats and enemies. thats a hero? could you see superman simply LETTING joker go and letting him murder thousands of kids?
hes a terrorist and one of the best exampels of that. so evil that he tortured and betrayed kakashi in cold blood.

 

[Conspirator.]

itachi was an insane, terorising manipulating torturing madman who was so evil that he brutally tortured his own screaming innocent 6 year pold brother in cold blood, condemning him to a lifetime of suffering and pain.
as shown in the manga, itachi is cold blooded, lying, manipulative, evil, insane, apathetic, dogmatic, savage and brutal. he massacred hundreds of people because he deemed them threats to his government, and didnt even give anyone a fair trial. thats the kind of person you want to call a hero?
he planned to brainwash and enslave his own brother for eternity. thats a hero?
he abandoned konoha to desturciton by doing nothing to even slow down major threats and enemies. thats a hero? could you see superman simply LETTING joker go and letting him murder thousands of kids?
hes a terrorist and one of the best exampels of that. so evil that he tortured and betrayed kakashi in cold blood.

@bold
Wow, so many adjectives.........

 

[Chie]

itachi was an insane, terorising manipulating torturing madman who was so evil that he brutally tortured his own screaming innocent 6 year pold brother in cold blood, condemning him to a lifetime of suffering and pain.
as shown in the manga, itachi is cold blooded, lying, manipulative, evil, insane, apathetic, dogmatic, savage and brutal. he massacred hundreds of people because he deemed them threats to his government, and didnt even give anyone a fair trial. thats the kind of person you want to call a hero?
he planned to brainwash and enslave his own brother for eternity. thats a hero?
he abandoned konoha to desturciton by doing nothing to even slow down major threats and enemies. thats a hero? could you see superman simply LETTING joker go and letting him murder thousands of kids?
hes a terrorist and one of the best exampels of that. so evil that he tortured and betrayed kakashi in cold blood.

Yes, he is the person that I would refer to as a hero/antihero. U_U