To be perfectly blunt here, the Boruto manga has seen more development in a year than we saw in Naruto over the course of several years. Heck the entire War arc of Naruto had very little development of any meaningful measurements. The only significant plot development was Kaguya and the only meaningful character developments were Sasuke, Zetsu and Obito.
Are you serious? The Boruto manga has no significant development, it's essentially directionless and everything happens purely for plot convenience. Even the bumping into Kawaki, the seal granting arse pull power ups, even though it's an asspull itself. The war arc of Naruto was pretty much the final arc. The war arc was doing several things at once from introducing characters and other nations to cooperation which is why it took so long, and even then they introduced a second rate villain(Kaguya) using deus ex machina.
Are you seriously comparing the end of a manga, which was doing multiple things at once to a trash manga like Boruto, which has only had around two and possibly a half shit arcs(meaning it's at the beginning)?
I can't keep doing something that i never started. Kodachi's writing and Ikemoto's improving art are the ones doing it. Along with Kishimoto's supervision.
Are you serious? The Boruto manga has no significant development, it's essentially directionless and everything happens purely for plot convenience. Even the bumping into Kawaki, the seal granting arse pull power ups, even though it's an asspull itself. The war arc of Naruto was pretty much the final arc. The war arc was doing several things at once from introducing characters and other nations to cooperation which is why it took so long, and even then they introduced a second rate villain(Kaguya) using deus ex machina.
Are you seriously comparing the end of a manga, which was doing multiple things at once to a trash manga like Boruto, which has only had around two and possibly a half shit arcs(meaning it's at the beginning)?
To be perfectly blunt here, the Boruto manga has seen more development in a year than we saw in Naruto over the course of several years. Heck the entire War arc of Naruto had very little development of any meaningful measurements. The only significant plot development was Kaguya and the only meaningful character developments were Sasuke, Zetsu and Obito.
I can't keep doing something that i never started. Kodachi's writing and Ikemoto's improving art are the ones doing it. Along with Kishimoto's supervision.
Get real man. Kodachi's writing is trash, Ikemoto's only good at drawing lolis and hasn't improved in the slightest. Kishimoto doesn't supervise except in headcanon land. Not even Ikemoto or Kodachi sit in the same room or with one another, they don'teven discuss the manga. Kodachi writes a script and sends it to Ikemoto's assistant who passes it to Ikemoto. They have literally no contact and you're telling us Kishimoto, who's writing his own manga, supervises these two.
Are you serious? The Boruto manga has no significant development, it's essentially directionless and everything happens purely for plot convenience. Even the bumping into Kawaki, the seal granting arse pull power ups, even though it's an asspull itself. The war arc of Naruto was pretty much the final arc. The war arc was doing several things at once from introducing characters and other nations to cooperation which is why it took so long, and even then they introduced a second rate villain(Kaguya) using deus ex machina.
Are you seriously comparing the end of a manga, which was doing multiple things at once to a trash manga like Boruto, which has only had around two and possibly a half shit arcs(meaning it's at the beginning)?
Get real man. Kodachi's writing is trash, Ikemoto's only good at drawing lolis and hasn't improved in the slightest. Kishimoto doesn't supervise except in headcanon land. Not even Ikemoto or Kodachi sit in the same room or with one another, they don'teven discuss the manga. Kodachi writes a script and sends it to Ikemoto's assistant who passes it to Ikemoto. They have literally no contact and you're telling us Kishimoto, who's writing his own manga, supervises these two.
Look at the recent chapter and compare to chapter 1. He's made big improvements. Kishimoto doesn't have to physically be with them to supervise their work.
I didn't feel the need to since he put Kaguya as one with significant development. It seems pretty clear he's unaware of what development is.
Look at the recent chapter and compare to chapter 1. He's made big improvements. Kishimoto doesn't have to physically be with them to supervise their work.
Please that's not development or improvement, cobbling together shit doesn't give it quality or make it legitimate writing. Currently as it stands it comes across as kiddie level fanfiction. You're missing the point Kishimoto doesn't actually supervise, and I was highlighting a more important point. If two writers of a manga hardly communicate, how on earth do you think somebody who's doing his own thing does. Besides if you look at the low quality of writing you would have to be a fool to think Kishimoto supervises it.
To be perfectly blunt here, the Boruto manga has seen more development in a year than we saw in Naruto over the course of several years. Heck the entire War arc of Naruto had very little development of any meaningful measurements. The only significant plot development was Kaguya and the only meaningful character developments were Sasuke, Zetsu and Obito.
Now saying that undermines Kodachi's work and praises the work even Kishimoto has talked down at in regards to himself. Kishimoto admitted that he struggled with a direction for the story for a very long time, trying to tell small contained stories as opposed to a longer connected one, which is why Naruto mostly had its significant development and direction from Part 2 and onward. This was also apparent in the original One Shot of Naruto. Naruto had horrible pacing and sense-of-direction during Part 1 and only barely came into any direction half-way through Part 2.
Not to mention that Kodachi is writing within a world, not creating it. He has to stick to certain rules where as Kishimoto did not in the start. Which was painfully apparent as Orochimaru was able to single handily defeat Raza without any physical injuries suffered. This is an example of poor planning as when Kishimoto introduced Raza later on, he was far more powerful. This is one example of a entirely lack of direction and foresight that Kishimoto is infamous for.
Calling it anything at this point, let alone and "arsepull" is overreaching. The power hasn't even been explained yet, we don't know how or why it works like it does. We have only seen it been used scarcely. Not to mention that it was explained how one gets it and its basics around using it quite quickly. Where as powers such as Ice Release, Sharingan or Kyuubi Chakra was barely explained and use specifically for plot convince. Out of those, Ice Release was the least "asspull" and in hindsight it was just another example of poor planning.
As was the power level early in Naruto which had problems setting a power ceiling, a mandatory thing to do fairly quickly in fiction. Yet Kishimoto changed it on a whim whenever the plot demanded it. Hence poor planning and writing. Boruto on the other hand has a power ceiling that was established in the first arc of the manga and has not wandered away from it. Not to mention the power ceiling shown in Naruto originally.
Are you seriously comparing the end of a manga, which was doing multiple things at once to a trash manga like Boruto, which has only had around two and possibly a half shit arcs(meaning it's at the beginning)?
Funny you would mention this because it works both ways. You are comparing a few years of story telling to almost two decades worth of it. As I mentioned above, if we just take the earlier parts of "Naruto" and compare them to the earlier parts of "Boruto" then "Naruto" fails at so many fundamental aspects of "good" writing when compared to the sequel that its funny. While "Boruto" fails on aspects that are more related to world building and character building, it doesn't outright fail in any fundamental area like "Naruto" did.
No he did not, which was part of his character like Naruto. Naruto as a character was a character that never changed no matter what, that was his character hence he didn't see much actual development. He had experienced, but no development in his character as doing so would ruin the point of his character. In the same vein is where Madara falls and he had no meaningful development. When he was talked about before coming into the series as a character we were told that he was;
Incredibly powerful.
Very firm in his believes, never swaying from them.
Cared about his clan and family to the extreme.
Didn't agree with the "Will of Fire" ideal.
Of all these main headers of his character, none changed during the course of the War and what we saw of him as a old man and young child only enforced these ideals. From a very early age he was powerful, he cared greatly for his clan and family, he believed he was correct in his ways and rarely to never changed from those ideals and he outright refused the ideal of "Will of Fire" by choosing his family over the ideal with Hashirama as a kid. Through out his growth the only instance of him swaying from these traits was when he agreed to work together with Hashirama for a limited amount of time, a thing he admits was a mistake on his part because he didn't believe in the ideal.
This self-centered ideal that he was "right" and everyone else was "wrong" stuck with him beyond the grave and he never, not even once admitted that he was directly inaccurate in his belief. When he was dying in Hashirama's hands he admitted that there might have been a different way, but stands firm that he did what he believed in and that he still believed it to be the only way. He never changed and that was part of his character. He was unable to accept reality and could never change from it, which is why "Talk-no-Jutsu" wasn't the thing that defeated him but his own strength. He didn't have meaningful development because he neither needed it, nor did it serve a point to his character.
I would say going from; "Random black part of random white plant man" to "The will incarnate of a ancient being that actually has a personality as opposed to just being a camera man" is a fairly decent development in terms of character. Originally we didn't know how Zetsu viewed himself, the world or what his goals and stakes where. These were introduced little by little before kicking into full gear during the final arc.
That is classical character development as it wasn't given to us all at once like with Madara or Naruto, and it changed from what we were originally introduced to. He had meaningful development, not a steady flow of it, but a meaningful bump.
Now saying that undermines Kodachi's work and praises the work even Kishimoto has talked down at in regards to himself. Kishimoto admitted that he struggled with a direction for the story for a very long time, trying to tell small contained stories as opposed to a longer connected one, which is why Naruto mostly had its significant development and direction from Part 2 and onward. This was also apparent in the original One Shot of Naruto. Naruto had horrible pacing and sense-of-direction during Part 1 and only barely came into any direction half-way through Part 2.
This should be posted in the fan opinion section. The story of Naruto had direction from the start and it was moving along smoothly. The only thing Kishimoto did was throw out some ideas he had, in favour of other ideas. His struggles came mainly on how to conclude the war arc, where he dropped the bar, quite a bit.
Not to mention that Kodachi is writing within a world, not creating it. He has to stick to certain rules where as Kishimoto did not in the start. Which was painfully apparent as Orochimaru was able to single handily defeat Raza without any physical injuries suffered. This is an example of poor planning as when Kishimoto introduced Raza later on, he was far more powerful. This is one example of a entirely lack of direction and foresight that Kishimoto is infamous for.
Of course Kishi is creating a universe, he's creating and establishing the rules that will govern it. And he 3xplores and explains them as he goes along. However, Kodachi doesn't give two shits for the rules and threw them out which is why his work isn't appreciated and is trash tier. As for Orochimaru defeating Rasa, why would he sustain injury when he's portrayed like an all powerful villain? Then he goes toe to toe with 4 tails, while in a weakened state(no access to jutsu) and survives no injuries, while Jiraiya nearly died. Even Rasa's ability revolved around manipulating gold which doesn't say much for him so that's not really an argument.
Calling it anything at this point, let alone and "arsepull" is overreaching. The power hasn't even been explained yet, we don't know how or why it works like it does. We have only seen it been used scarcely. Not to mention that it was explained how one gets it and its basics around using it quite quickly. Where as powers such as Ice Release, Sharingan or Kyuubi Chakra was barely explained and use specifically for plot convince. Out of those, Ice Release was the least "asspull" and in hindsight it was just another example of poor planning.
It's an arse pull, it had no foreshadow and was just randomly given. It even gives powers not possessed by Momoshiki either. And your enemy somebody who was obliterated just decides to give it you because he likes to give handouts. Sharingan was explained to be a bloodline trait, so was Ice release. Kurama was given an intro before Naruto starts so you don't have a point. The problem you have with using them to justify a clear arsepull like Karma is that the universe was being built as that time and they don't give you every detail only expand with the story. While in this case the story is centered around Karma as some sublime arsepull.
As was the power level early in Naruto which had problems setting a power ceiling, a mandatory thing to do fairly quickly in fiction. Yet Kishimoto changed it on a whim whenever the plot demanded it. Hence poor planning and writing. Boruto on the other hand has a power ceiling that was established in the first arc of the manga and has not wandered away from it. Not to mention the power ceiling shown in Naruto originally.
What have you been smoking the power ceiling was low in Naruto and was moving up steadily alongside the MC. It was broken during the war arc and until then it had measurements. While in the Boruto series their is no power ceiling, or chakra restrictions. You have Boruto pulling all sorts of shit out of his arse, never running out fo chakra even though he has a fraction of the chakra part 1 Naruro did and everybody else pretty much serves the function of cheerleader.
Funny you would mention this because it works both ways. You are comparing a few years of story telling to almost two decades worth of it. As I mentioned above, if we just take the earlier parts of "Naruto" and compare them to the earlier parts of "Boruto" then "Naruto" fails at so many fundamental aspects of "good" writing when compared to the sequel that its funny. While "Boruto" fails on aspects that are more related to world building and character building, it doesn't outright fail in any fundamental area like "Naruto" did.
Almost two decades what have you been smoking man? In nearly 3 years Naruto has started the story, explained chakra introduced villains, rivalry, held the chunin exams, introduced many characters clans and abilitirs, ninja their types and ranks and gave us a glimpse of the Akatsuki. While Boruto has done what exactly, had everything happening for plot convenience and even then it makes 0 sense, because Boruto should have gone and defeated Momoshiki right? Like them randomly bumping into Kawaki as another example(plot convenience)?
You can like trash if you like, but don't compare it to the Naruto series. It pales in comparison, which is another reason it's sales are declining with every passing volume.
Edit: since I can't post links to other websites I'll post the sales figures. For a manga that is living off the hype of Naruto and it's continuation you can see it's trash.
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@Reboryushon in your opinion when will Boruto be cancelled?
I didn't feel the need to since he put Kaguya as one with significant development. It seems pretty clear he's unaware of what development is.
Please that's not development or improvement, cobbling together shit doesn't give it quality or make it legitimate writing. Currently as it stands it comes across as kiddie level fanfiction. You're missing the point Kishimoto doesn't actually supervise, and I was highlighting a more important point. If two writers of a manga hardly communicate, how on earth do you think somebody who's doing his own thing does. Besides if you look at the low quality of writing you would have to be a fool to think Kishimoto supervises it.
Ikemoto and Kodachi don't communicate. Which is fine given it's not necessary. One is the artist while the other the writer. Should Kodachi tell a Naruto series veteran how to draw? Ikemoto has been with Kishimoto since the Land of Waves.
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Did you really just say Kyuubi, Sharingan, and Ice release was an asspull? They were introduced in the first arc when things were being established...
