Except that kakashi can kamui original faster then it makes clones? Unless naruto starts with clones kakashi wins. Even with clones, naruto has to make even chakra among clones and himself including otherwise sharingan will spot him. In sage mode naruto cant make high quantity of SM clones just 4 or 5 which is child's play for current kamui kakashi has.
what is the crap? no dojutsu can tell the difference not the sharingan nor the byakugan. and what match has naruto enter that his first move isnt clones.kakashi cant even beat jiraiya much less naruto
what is the crap? no dojutsu can tell the difference not the sharingan nor the byakugan. and what match has naruto enter that his first move isnt clones.kakashi cant even beat jiraiya much less naruto
Any doujutsu that can see chakra levels will spot it difference from clone to original if chakra isnt even.
Naruto can do clones, still slower then kamui.
what is the crap? no dojutsu can tell the difference not the sharingan nor the byakugan. and what match has naruto enter that his first move isnt clones.kakashi cant even beat jiraiya much less naruto
Any doujutsu that can see chakra levels will spot it difference from clone to original if chakra isnt even.
Naruto can do clones, still slower then kamui.
yet it was kabuto who had to first tell him that the naruto in front of him was a clone right?:| there is no jutsu that can tell the differences between shadow clones since they're actually bodies.
That's kinda of an overkill. Kakashi compared based Naruto to himself saying Naruto was equal or surpass him (
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Naruto (Base) can make 200 clones (like he did while training to learn FRS) which all surround Kakashi and use rasengan on the ground all around too fill the field with smoke cloud (
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) and all attack Kakashi. Kakashi would be wearing himself out fighting the clones with his taijutsus, ninja weapons, water style, chidori, or earth style. He said his weakness is his low stamina, He was fighting 2 high chunin level ninjas (Naruto and Sakura) and was getting tired
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. What is he going to be like while fighting 1 high jounin level Naruto who has a lot more chakra than him?
Naruto can make 200 clones who all go to fight Kakashi then crush them all with his summon, the clones would be the distraction
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SM Naruto would have Ma and Pa toad fused to him so infinite chakra and he knows about kamui so can use his Sensory ability to sense and evade it. Kakashi has to be focused on the point but if the opponent moves side ways right as he activates Kamui then he'll miss. Only moving objects that Kakashi ever Kamui were a nail, missile and Susanoo arrows all moving in linear line. Nail was coming right at him, missile was about to hit Choji, Arrows were coming at him. Or just create clones in front of him and it warps the clone, he can do this thanks to his sensory ability.
SM can use boiling oil and only water jutsu wouldn't stop it cause Kakashi couldn't stop Fire+Wind with only water against Kakuza so how is he going to stop fire+wind+oil? He can't kamui it all cause the volume is too large
But chakra isnt always divided evenly. It has minimum of chakra required to perform, and naruto has can make so many of clones cuz he has alot of chakra. Or do you think he wastes his chakra always splitting it evenly on fodder clones?
yet it was kabuto who had to first tell him that the naruto in front of him was a clone right?:| there is no jutsu that can tell the differences between shadow clones since they're actually bodies.
No, the Sharingan does let you see thru the clone but they have to active that ability of the sharingan. It's the Byakugan that can't see thru shadow clones because all the clones have the same amount of chakra as Naruto but the Sharingan can see thru nin, gen and taijutsus. Naruto have shown to make a smoke screen using his rasengan as he did against Pain.
This is true and the Sharingan can see thru jutsus but Kakashi has to activate the ability, it's not alway on and he can't keep it on because it can mess up his fighting with the clones.
Any doujutsu that can see chakra levels will spot it difference from clone to original if chakra isnt even.
Naruto can do clones, still slower then kamui.
Kakashi complimented Naruto's speed of using shadow clones when they fought in the 2nd Shippuden chapter. IT will be faster than Kakashi can build his chakra since he has to active MS then build the chakra.
what is the crap? no dojutsu can tell the difference not the sharingan nor the byakugan. and what match has naruto enter that his first move isnt clones.kakashi cant even beat jiraiya much less naruto
If by "other ninja" you mean nameless fodder, then they didn't matter at all.
If you mean Choza and Choji, then, while we don't know what would have happened later if they hadn't arrived, we know that Kakashi would have defeated Preta path anyway, according to Kakashi's own words.
And Sasuke peed himself when seeing Zabuza perform a jutsu. Let's stop using arguments from the beginning of the manga, shall we?
Sorry, my bad. Kakashi never admitted Naruto was on his level, he was just wondering if that might be so.
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But that statement became irrelevant soon afterwards, as both Naruto and Kakashi kept on developing. Not to mention current Kakashi, who is not only MUCH stronger than Kakuzu arc Kakashi, but also visibly better than Pain arc Kakashi. The debate is far from over.
Choji and his dad saved Kakashi, he said this himself, they were needed. All the clone did was stun Pretha path, not kill him
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and they would just sense where Kakashi is since Nagato showed to have sensory ability and if he's close by to send chakra then he's close enough to sense them plus he sensed where Kabuto was and told Itachi which seems to have taken him a while to get there. Kakashi was at half chakra
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Kakashi told Naruto he was even if not surpass him
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. Kakashi from Kakuza fight and Pain fight aren't that far apart, he hasn't shown or hinted to even have trained or gotten stronger. War Kakashi is different because preparing for war is a no brainer but Naruto has been shown to continue to get stronger. I wouldn't say he's MUCH better, he just fighting ninjas of different skills and isn't doing it alone or with ninjas weaker than him like choji and Ino. War Kakashi had Guy, Lee, Sai and a platoon with him then was with KM Naruto, full BM Bee and 6th gate Guy. He was at his limits here
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and got chakra from Kurama right after.
Guy, Kakashi's rival was out right after using his daytime tiger
This again?
1. It was Kakashi who obtained intel about Pain without which Naruto wouldn't have won.
2. Kakashi fought two paths, yes. One of which was the strongest of Pain's bodies.
3. You DO realize that Naruto didn't face Pain at his full stamina like Kakashi and the rest of Konoha had to?
4. And you DO realize that for the half of Naruto's fight Deva's abilities were restricted due to the use of large Shinra Tensei on the village?
5. And you DO realize that Naruto would have lost against Pain anyway, if it wasn't for Hinata awakening the Kyuubi?
6. Finally, you DO realize that Naruto had prep time, unlike anyone in Konoha?
That "one path Kakashi barely held up against" was the one that 6-tailed Naruto couldn't defeat. The only difference is, against Naruto, he was already exhausted.
Kakashi only obtained 1 Pain power that didn't make a differences since he wasn't using it until Naruto almost killed 2 of the 3 bodies left that he started to use it. Jiraiya via the toads gave Naruto info on Pain, Naruto said that's the one who gramps said could revive others
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. Kakashi's intel didn't change anything because even if Naruto didn't have that 1 fact, he would find out the very next few pages by him using it so don't over hype that one intel.
Were and he would have lost, he thought it was insane that Jiraiya took on all 6 and SM Naruto beat 5 of 6 before going 6 tails then went back to normal and beat the 6th. It was base Naruto that beat Deva with the final blow. Do you realize Naruto wasn't at full power either? He was training before going to Konoha and he had 2 clones which means he was at 1/3 his power since he evenly splits his chakra amongst his clones.
Yes I know Deva's power was out for most the fight, Nagato is solo king so it has to be handicapped for him to be beatable even tho he never truly lost and I do doubt Naruto could have beat him unless he goes Kurama mode but the point is that he still was on another level compared to anyone in the village because Shikaku even said Naruto was on another level and that not getting in his way was the best they can do for them.
Naruto still could have transformed into the fox without Kurama, just not at that time. Ma toad was still there and if she tried anything and died, along with the already dead Pa toad, could have angered him. Prep time? Did you read the manga? Naruto was training before going to Konoha and upon hearing he was going to get summoned soon he made 2 clones and tried to rest up for a bit, not much of a prep time.
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This shows Naruto was training (sweat and dirt that shows from one who fights). It shows Pa toad talking to another toad with Naruto off screen and when Naruto is shown his face is clean so his prep time was use with cleaning himself from training
But chakra isnt always divided evenly. It has minimum of chakra required to perform, and naruto has can make so many of clones cuz he has alot of chakra. Or do you think he wastes his chakra always splitting it evenly on fodder clones?
He does split his chakra evenly all the time, he can't change that aspect of the jutsu. If it could change then Kakashi wouldn't be so against using it, he always says he can only use a small amount of clones due to having small stamina. Also Kakashi plain out said it evenly splits the user chakra
That's kinda of an overkill. Kakashi compared based Naruto to himself saying Naruto was equal or surpass him (
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) and this was after Naruto beat Kakuza with a FRS that was at about 50% (
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). Naruto has become even stronger since then so SM would be even stronger than Kakashi. Naruto has knowledge on Kamui so even base Naruto can take him on but with just more of the diff.
Naruto (Base) can make 200 clones (like he did while training to learn FRS) which all surround Kakashi and use rasengan on the ground all around too fill the field with smoke cloud (
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) and all attack Kakashi. Kakashi would be wearing himself out fighting the clones with his taijutsus, ninja weapons, water style, chidori, or earth style. He said his weakness is his low stamina, He was fighting 2 high chunin level ninjas (Naruto and Sakura) and was getting tired
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. What is he going to be like while fighting 1 high jounin level Naruto who has a lot more chakra than him?
Naruto can make 200 clones who all go to fight Kakashi then crush them all with his summon, the clones would be the distraction
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SM Naruto would have Ma and Pa toad fused to him so infinite chakra and he knows about kamui so can use his Sensory ability to sense and evade it. Kakashi has to be focused on the point but if the opponent moves side ways right as he activates Kamui then he'll miss. Only moving objects that Kakashi ever Kamui were a nail, missile and Susanoo arrows all moving in linear line. Nail was coming right at him, missile was about to hit Choji, Arrows were coming at him. Or just create clones in front of him and it warps the clone, he can do this thanks to his sensory ability.
SM can use boiling oil and only water jutsu wouldn't stop it cause Kakashi couldn't stop Fire+Wind with only water against Kakuza so how is he going to stop fire+wind+oil? He can't kamui it all cause the volume is too large
He does split his chakra evenly all the time, he can't change that aspect of the jutsu. If it could change then Kakashi wouldn't be so against using it, he always says he can only use a small amount of clones due to having small stamina. Also Kakashi plain out said it evenly splits the user chakra
