Were the Uzumaki/Senju's DESTINED to triumph over the Uchiha?

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TheCCV

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I just got to thinking, and the Uchiha honestly are a pretty pitifull bunch. They hold grudges (Madara wanting to kill Hashi even after the war), get butt hurt real easily (Tobi causing a war over his childhood crush), have bad luck, and have all used... 'unfair' weapons in their major battles, which I will explain now.

By baad luck, I meant they just couldn't catch a break. Madara used Kuroma, and unfair weapon because it was not an original technique developed by himself, but a chakra giant/tailed beat under his control, so that alone was like a 2nd partner when fighting Hashi and he STILL lost, Tobi also used Kuroma which was unfair for the same reason listed above except this one was worse, because Minato was on the clock to both take him out AND get back to the village to take on the hypnotized Kuroma before he completely wiped out Konoha, and yet, he STILL triumphed at the cost of his life, causing Tobi to retreat.

My point is that even though they were destined to be rivals/enemy clans, they still have yet to win 1 major fight... and even when they were all using the most powerful beast of them all, they still lost. That's just bad luck.

"But Madara is fighting Naruto without a Tailed beast while he has one, so now that's the Uzumaki using an unfair weapon." Uh, nope. The match is still incredibly unfair, and Madara (I'm assuming) is still probably going to lose. He's using 2 robbed skills that are not his own (Hashi's wood dragon and Rinnegan), is an Edo with unlimited chakra, has the great 10-tails on his side AND is practically invincible right now. What does Naruto have? Let's see, Kyuubi/Bijuu mode and Sage mode, which quite frankly pales in comparison to what Madara is sporting at the moment. Now tell me that's fair.

So back to my initial question, do you think the Senju/Uzumaki were DESTINED to triumph over the Uchiha, or are they still equals?
 

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The younger son and older son were equal
Uzumaki ,senju,and uchiha have to get power ups to be like them
Naruto and sasuke are equal cause of their power up
Naruto has the yang chakra of the kyuubi he's already an uzumaki and now has the flamelike chakra
Sasuke got ms plus ms equals ems elder sons eyes
 
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Why are the Uchiha still alive while they are dead?

Garden boy is the only strong Senju.

Sasuke solos Uzamaki clan

Itachi solos Senju
Umm... Sasuke and Tobi are the only living Uchihas (Unless I'm forgetting something), while Naruto and Karin are the only living Uzumaki's that we know of, so they're even right now.

I don't know who garden boy is (unless you mean Hashirama, which is a damn lie), so I can't respond to that.

Sasuke isn't soloing anybody, and nope to what you said about Itachi.
 
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Why are the Uchiha still alive while they are dead?

Garden boy is the only strong Senju.

Sasuke solos Uzamaki clan

Itachi solos Senju]

]come on fanboy I think they are destined to be equal but what each other fight for determines who will win like the SOSP chose his senju son to rule why? His methods for fighting not because he was stronger.[/SIZE]
 
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Why are the Uchiha still alive while they are dead?

Garden boy is the only strong Senju.

Sasuke solos Uzamaki clan

o_O Fail much.................. Uchiha and other clans are defined... When the leaf was created there was no need for a specific "senju clan". The uchiha stayed as clan because of their sharingan..
 
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The younger son and older son were equal
Uzumaki ,senju,and uchiha have to get power ups to be like them

If they are equal... why did Madara get raped?

Face the facts Uchiha fanboys, Senju >= Uchiha, not the other way around.
 

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The younger son and older son were equal
Uzumaki ,senju,and uchiha have to get power ups to be like them
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, the last point was barely relevant.
And I understand they were equals in the beginning, but just look at the 2 most famous recorded clashes of them.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, they all went extinct...

In the end, they ALL lost...

Actually, the senju clan didnt die out, they migrated into different clans(So they say)...which means senju have loyalty issues.

I don't care what others say, the uchiha clan killed themselves.
 

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say, the last point was barely relevant.
And I understand they were equals in the beginning, but just look at the 2 most famous recorded clashes of them.

What I'm trying to say is not any uchiha uzumaki or senju are equal but their power ups make them like the younger and older son equal
Madar went to hashi with an ems the older sons eyes last power up before rinnegan
I'm not sure about hashi but he had incredible yang chakra which made him heal like the yang from kurma does to naruto
 

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imo i think the uzumaki's are stronger than them both for many..many many reasons
 

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the rinnegan is his he got it after he was close ta death but he did use hashi cells ta get em
 

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edo madara , sasuke , izuna , ITACHI , shishui , obito vs nagato and naruto there is no way uzimaki could beat uchiha hyuuga=uzimaki
To be quite honest, that last post you just typed was the biggest motherload of bullshit I've probably ever read on the internet.

You could hardly even call that an argument or a rational though, really. All you did was name like, 5 of the strongest Uchiha's to ever live and put them against 2 Uzumaki's. It's pretty obvious who's going to win there, smart one, and then that's one of the points I tackled in OP about the battles being unfair. By the way,

Naruto, Kushina, Mito, Hashirama,Tobirama, Nawaki Nagato and the other paths of Pein and Kirin vs Itachi and Sasuke. See? I can type nonsense too.
 

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Actually it's Uchiha who are cursed to be dominated by others... not that others are stronger than them...
 

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I just got to thinking, and the Uchiha honestly are a pretty pitifull bunch. They hold grudges (Madara wanting to kill Hashi even after the war), get butt hurt real easily (Tobi causing a war over his childhood crush), have bad luck, and have all used... 'unfair' weapons in their major battles, which I will explain now.

By baad luck, I meant they just couldn't catch a break. Madara used Kuroma, and unfair weapon because it was not an original technique developed by himself, but a chakra giant/tailed beat under his control, so that alone was like a 2nd partner when fighting Hashi and he STILL lost, Tobi also used Kuroma which was unfair for the same reason listed above except this one was worse, because Minato was on the clock to both take him out AND get back to the village to take on the hypnotized Kuroma before he completely wiped out Konoha, and yet, he STILL triumphed at the cost of his life, causing Tobi to retreat.

My point is that even though they were destined to be rivals/enemy clans, they still have yet to win 1 major fight... and even when they were all using the most powerful beast of them all, they still lost. That's just bad luck.

"But Madara is fighting Naruto without a Tailed beast while he has one, so now that's the Uzumaki using an unfair weapon." Uh, nope. The match is still incredibly unfair, and Madara (I'm assuming) is still probably going to lose. He's using 2 robbed skills that are not his own (Hashi's wood dragon and Rinnegan), is an Edo with unlimited chakra, has the great 10-tails on his side AND is practically invincible right now. What does Naruto have? Let's see, Kyuubi/Bijuu mode and Sage mode, which quite frankly pales in comparison to what Madara is sporting at the moment. Now tell me that's fair.

So back to my initial question, do you think the Senju/Uzumaki were DESTINED to triumph over the Uchiha, or are they still equals?

THE SENJU AND UCHIHA ARE EQUAL.

Kurama was both Hashiramas and Madaras bitch, i don't know why people think he made a difference in there battle, Kurama was simply Madaras summon.
You guys make it seem like if Hashirama was miles away from Madara in terms of power when they were practically equals. If Hashirama was so much more powerful than Madara he would've ended him long ago considering they were rivals and constantly fought. Madara did not lose all of his battles to Hashirama, I'm not saying he was stronger, but if he would've lost every battle he would've been dead.
Then at VOTE Madara states he had a battle with Hashirama of life or death meaning either one could have won.
We've only had 2 major battles that we know of between Uchiha vs Senju and that was Madara vs Hashirama and Sasuke vs Naruto( tobi stated naruto had some Senju in him) and they both have one win, so they did win one major battle.

Obito was 14 and lost against a guy almost twice his age, kurama was in the village, not helping obito. How is that unfair its a whole village against two beings.

If you want to talk about unfair weapons kurama is one it's helped Naruto throughout his whole life, but you don't complain because it's part of his power, so why complain about Madaras.
Madaras supposed to be the final villain of course he's going to be OP.
Uchiha and Senju will always be equal
 
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