Were the Sound 4 Stronger than we gave them credit for?

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Bad Touch Yakushi

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Why You're Probably Underrating The Sound 4

Orochimaru is a reasonable guy, he has ninja like Jugo, Kabuto, Suigetsu and Kimimaro and yet the band of Sound ninja he trusts the most to go and do his dirty work and collect LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HIM (Sasuke's body) to the Sound 4. The Sound 4 get ripped on quite a lot, and fair enough. You'd probably call him 'fodder' and 'THEY GOT BEAT BY A BUNCH OF GENIN LOL' isn't a creative or a very reasonable comment at all.

I feel that people underestimate these characters severely, they managed to ambush a top team of Leaf chunnin and jonin led by Shizune & Genma and almost beat an angered Curse Mark Sasuke to a pulp (something Gaara couldn't do in the Chunnin exams) These guys have strength! They set traps and have good tactics, but the reason they all lose (other than the plot) is because they are all matched up badly. I mean, imagine if Tayuya got matched up with Chouji. Chouji is too slow and wouldn't be able to figure out her pretty impressive strategy and her strong summoning jutsu, he'd have been powerless with or without the pill. Imagine if Shikamaru ended up with Jirōbō! Not much time to come up with a strategy when you're being beaten to a pulp... We all KNOW what happened to Naruto when he got singled out by Kidomaru...
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Imagine if Naruto was alone and Kidomaru stopped playing around...

The problem is with these guys is that they all have pretty large personality flaws that each of the Sasuke Retrieval Team targets.
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Kidomaru plays with his food, giving Neji the perfect chance to work out his techniques. He can trap any enemy, has a strong projectile and also has the armour which is a pretty big deal.

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Jirobo is definitely the weakest member but has an appetite and bullies his enemies, taunting Chouji isn't exactly a great thing to do.

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Tayuya is smug and is convinced that nobody could figure out her jutsu. Too bad she had Shikamaru otherwise she could've possibly beaten every other member.

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Sakon and Udon were actually most likely going to win theirs if it had gone on much longer. There's not much to comment on with the Kiba/Sakon fight- Not much to say... Other than the fact that he's EXTREMELY hard to kill. Orochimaru comments that Sakon is most likely the strongest member and Tayuya has the 'heart that burns just as hot' so make of that what you will. Literally any other arrangement and Shikamaru's squad would've probably all died...

Not to mention, their teamwork was pretty good. They knew each other well enough to know that Shikamaru was impersonating a fake Jirobo just from a few seconds of talking and before they got split up they seemed almost faultless. Their jutsus cover each other and we never got to see them fighting together. Their abilities are so good that even Kabuto, a guy who has access to Madara and other legendary ninja, still infused their abilities into himself because they were so useful.

It's just, i'm sick of seeing these Chunnin rank ninja (with Jonin level abilities and jutsus) ESPECIALLY CURSE MARK COUGH CURSE MARK COUGH being slacked off and being treated like they're bottom of the barrel ninja. They get mugged off quite a bit around here.

Rant over.
 
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They lost to part 1 Choji,Kiba, Kankuro,Temari,Shikamaru and Neji. Theyre weak.
 

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They are what they are, they are considered weak now.
 

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It's not as if they'd take the likes of Asuma one-on-one...

Didn't Kimimaro take all four of them at once, at like... negative difficulty? Just asking...
 

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No, they got trashed by a bunch of genin kids...there's nothing strong about that.
 

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they are deffinetly stronger than people give them credit for.. there downfall was like you said there own personality and they went against a natural weakness as for the strongest of the sound 5 that is without a doubt kimimarou and if he wasnt sick he would of beaten both lee and gaara and would have most likely been stronger than we saw
 

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Kimimaru beat them all single handedly.

My point has been made.
 

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I had them at Jounin level. I think part of why people loved part 1 so much was that while they were all clearly stronger they were each beaten because they were outsmarted.
 

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I never underrated them, they were pretty crazy cause i thought they had actually killed choji and neji.
 

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That was one of my favorite arcs.
 

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Why You're Probably Underrating The Sound 4

Orochimaru is a reasonable guy, he has ninja like Jugo, Kabuto, Suigetsu and Kimimaro and yet the band of Sound ninja he trusts the most to go and do his dirty work and collect LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HIM (Sasuke's body) to the Sound 4. The Sound 4 get ripped on quite a lot, and fair enough. You'd probably call him 'fodder' and 'THEY GOT BEAT BY A BUNCH OF GENIN LOL' isn't a creative or a very reasonable comment at all.

I feel that people underestimate these characters severely, they managed to ambush a top team of Leaf chunnin and jonin led by Shizune & Genma and almost beat an angered Curse Mark Sasuke to a pulp (something Gaara couldn't do in the Chunnin exams) These guys have strength! They set traps and have good tactics, but the reason they all lose (other than the plot) is because they are all matched up badly. I mean, imagine if Tayuya got matched up with Chouji. Chouji is too slow and wouldn't be able to figure out her pretty impressive strategy and her strong summoning jutsu, he'd have been powerless with or without the pill. Imagine if Shikamaru ended up with Jirōbō! Not much time to come up with a strategy when you're being beaten to a pulp... We all KNOW what happened to Naruto when he got singled out by Kidomaru...
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Imagine if Naruto was alone and Kidomaru stopped playing around...

The problem is with these guys is that they all have pretty large personality flaws that each of the Sasuke Retrieval Team targets.
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Kidomaru plays with his food, giving Neji the perfect chance to work out his techniques. He can trap any enemy, has a strong projectile and also has the armour which is a pretty big deal.

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Jirobo is definitely the weakest member but has an appetite and bullies his enemies, taunting Chouji isn't exactly a great thing to do.

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Tayuya is smug and is convinced that nobody could figure out her jutsu. Too bad she had Shikamaru otherwise she could've possibly beaten every other member.

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Sakon and Udon were actually most likely going to win theirs if it had gone on much longer. There's not much to comment on with the Kiba/Sakon fight- Not much to say... Other than the fact that he's EXTREMELY hard to kill. Orochimaru comments that Sakon is most likely the strongest member and Tayuya has the 'heart that burns just as hot' so make of that what you will. Literally any other arrangement and Shikamaru's squad would've probably all died...

Not to mention, their teamwork was pretty good. They knew each other well enough to know that Shikamaru was impersonating a fake Jirobo just from a few seconds of talking and before they got split up they seemed almost faultless. Their jutsus cover each other and we never got to see them fighting together. Their abilities are so good that even Kabuto, a guy who has access to Madara and other legendary ninja, still infused their abilities into himself because they were so useful.

It's just, i'm sick of seeing these Chunnin rank ninja (with Jonin level abilities and jutsus) ESPECIALLY CURSE MARK COUGH CURSE MARK COUGH being slacked off and being treated like they're bottom of the barrel ninja. They get mugged off quite a bit around here.

Rant over.
Yes you're right they are highly underrated but Plot was on Naruto's side
 

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I'm surprised no-one has answered yet. Commendable thread. I agree. It's just that when people are talking about them being fodder, I assume they're talking about "In comparison to characters like Edo-Madara, Nagato, Edo-Itachi, BM Naruto, Kabuto etc., but those are the most powerful people in the NarutoVerse and the Sound 4 were definitely not weak. Your post definitely shows that. Also, together they would have been formidable, but they split themselves up.
 

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I'm surprised no-one has answered yet. Commendable thread. I agree. It's just that when people are talking about them being fodder, I assume they're talking about "In comparison to characters like Edo-Madara, Nagato, Edo-Itachi, BM Naruto, Kabuto etc., but those are the most powerful people in the NarutoVerse and the Sound 4 were definitely not weak. Your post definitely shows that. Also, together they would have been formidable, but they split themselves up.

They are fodder in comparison to even Kimimaro, who took all four of them at once and won, pretty easily as it is implied.
 

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No, they got trashed by a bunch of genin kids...there's nothing strong about that.
That's NOT a strong argument. I've already sorted that bad argument out in the post if you actually read it.

Plus it's not exactly if Neji, Shikamaru & Naruto are pushovers. They're not just 'genin' are they. They're very powerful, MAIN CHARACTERS (thats the key word there) even in part 1.

Plus you shouldn't rate this show's characters by simple rank. Going by that logic Naruto is still genin level and Asuma was stronger than Sasuke. Pfft poor Kabuto, he doesn't even have a rank! It's stupid, and doesn't prove anything.
 

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No on cares about them. They've been defeated and forgotten.
 

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Sound 4 weren't relevant since 2005. :rofl:

Oh i'm sorry let's just talk about Edo f*cking Madara and Itachi all the time yeah? That doesn't get old quick.

Technically 9/11 wasn't relevant since 2001 but people make a pretty big deal out of that huh.
 
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