Were the Hyuga even the strongest with the absence of the Uchiha?

[Made in Heaven]

Drake is a rapper just look him up and Neji has lots of feats.

In regards to neji, its actually hilarious how he keeps saying there's no way neji can win yet provides no feats for asuma outside of hype because that is all he has yet actually thinks some one with actual feats would lose. Someone with actual reflex feats, ees thay can foresee attacks, hinder enemy movements in CQC wirh chakra, and avoid point blank attacks. But yeah, the guy with no feats wins because he uses wind blades. Well, this is the same person who spent tje whole thread trying to deny kishi's own logic in regards to minato/hinata.

 

[Rase]

In regards to neji, its actually hilarious how he keeps saying there's no way neji can win yet provides no feats for asuma outside of hype because that is all he has yet actually thinks some one with actual feats would lose. Someone with actual reflex feats, ees thay can foresee attacks, hinder enemy movements in CQC wirh chakra, and avoid point blank attacks. But yeah, the guy with no feats wins because he uses wind blades. Well, this is the same person who spent tje whole thread trying to deny kishi's own logic in regards to minato/hinata.

Right now I can't even tel if you are with me or against me.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Right now I can't even tel if you are with me or against me.

with u lol

 

[Hakke]

It did nothing to Kisame, thus the only advantage it would give is that it would blow Asuma back, but that blows him out of the range for CQC and doesn't do Neji any good when it comes to close quarters combat itself so you don't have a point. I don't care about the distortion. I don't care about your retorts. Why can't you ever just argue with honesty and accept the facts how they are instead of trying to twist them to your favor?

Kisame is much durable than Asuma and he has shown an insane endurance feats, the least thing that striking a vital spot would do is causing pain which can be shrugged off with no diff by someone like him. Asuma is not Kisame. just because Kisame was able to shrug off does not mean that Asuma will. and we have the fact that striking some certain vital spots can be fatal, nothing suggest that Neji struck Kisame on a major spot.

and the argument "Striking the vitals doesn't help if your strike is weak" is moot, because 1. the vital spots are near the surface of the skin so sometimes a simple press is enough 2. the DB stated that it thrusts through it with a tremendous force

why do you keep picking things and ignore other things just to favor your argument? what was stated in the DB is clear.

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"An extremely fast strike with the palm is unleashed after pinpointing an enemy's vital spot. The compressed Vacuum shell" with the aspects of the gentle fist thrust through an enemy's vital spot with a tremendous force. it is a short to mid range attack that more than compenstate for weaknesses in Taijutsu"

can't you comprehend it?

We've seen the range of Air Palm, and it blew Kisame off his feet so an attack that focused is not possible unless you have some sort of feat.

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"An extremely fast strike with the palm is unleashed after pinpointing an enemy's vital spot."

What's even funnier is that the way

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prevents Neji from disarming him from hitting his wrist. So that does nothing even if it were possible, which it is not.

I agree. it would not be enough to disarm him. but an Air Palm focused on the limbs can on the limbs grant an advantage in close combat. in example, a fired Air Palm to legs can make an enemy fall down

That's body blow, and there's no evidence or feat that lets body blow repel actual attacks. His best feat is blowing a web off of his body. You're gonna have to do better than that. You keep claiming Neji will do this, or Neji will do that yet you seem to be unable to actually show the feat that lets him perform this on the level necessary.

well it damaged a Zetsu

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the same Zetsu that tanked a punch from Sakura

you can see here that One Blow Body is just a powerful release of Chakra.

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and the user can decide the amount of Chakra he want to release, Neji just released a small amount of Chakra when he performed One Blow Body, but he can release a large amount of Chakra to make his One Blow Body more powerful

-Nope. Both are in the same tier of speed and skill when it comes to Taijutsu. Asuma fights w/ his Hien, which are blades enhanced w/ Fuuton Chakra and is stated to be top tier in close quarters among the Jonin in the leaf village. Asuma's skill in close quarters overall>Neji's. That's a fact.

-Nope. What is this based on? Oh wait, nothing. :lol There is no fighting style that is the best fighting style. What makes one's fighting style the best is their speed, strength, skill and the jutsu they use. What's even funnier is that you, of course, misquoted that scan to benefit your argument. Lee said the Gentle Fist is the leaf's strongest Taijutsu style. Not strongest fighting style. Asuma uses weapons as his main form of combat.

-Irrelevant because you can't show that this lets Neji overpower and overwhelm Asuma in close quarters, but I expected you Hyuga fans to start throwing this claim around without actual explanation on what it lets Neji achieve.

-Irrelevant because the only attack he has that lets him strike from a distance is weak as hell.


Neji fights with his bare hands. Asuma fights w/ chakra blades. Asuma is stated to be top tier in this form of combat. Neji is not. Neji is not fast enough, skilled enough nor does he have the proper moveset to take on someone of Asuma's skill and speed in a direct CQC fight where he uses his bare hands while Asuma uses Hien. Rotation is his only saving grace, and that is defense. That doesn't help Neji win as he can't rotate forever.

The funniest part about this post is that you have the nerve to say "can't see how Asuma can win" while giving an extremely weak argument that doesn't tell how Neji beats him in CQC. A weak argument that vastly overrates all of Neji's abilities as usual. :lol

actually, every fight in a grappling distance is considered a hand to hand combat, a fight including weapons such as knives and short blades is still considered a hand to hand combat because the fight is still done in a grappling distance. having a weapon doesn't grant a significant advantage because any melee weapon attacks can be countered by hand to hand techniques. Asuma's weapons can be parried by parrying the side arm like this

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or this

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Asuma's fighting style with the Hien is still considered Taijutsu and his skills on the same tier as Neji. and Neji fighting style > Asuma, and with the Byakugan he can anticipate his movements which would allow him to better react to it and counter it and in worst scenarios he can repel his direct strikes by releasing Chakra from his Tenketsus so he has the advantage.

and LOL @ "Overrating" I just stated the ability of the Air Palm based on the DB and you keep ignoring it and you keep claiming that it's only ability is to push when the DB stated that it does more than that. we have a ****ing Databook for a reason and Kishi is the one who decides the ability of a said Jutsu, not you.

you are the one who is underrating tbh

 

[Made in Heaven]

one blow body is said to be critical hit. and the fact that it worked on a zetsu says a lot considering they are very durable as pointed out by shino

also featless jonin > jonin w/ feats and eyes that can foresee movements and control movements with chakra

 

[Mellanoma]

In regards to neji, its actually hilarious how he keeps saying there's no way neji can win yet provides no feats for asuma outside of hype because that is all he has yet actually thinks some one with actual feats would lose. Someone with actual reflex feats, ees thay can foresee attacks, hinder enemy movements in CQC wirh chakra, and avoid point blank attacks. But yeah, the guy with no feats wins because he uses wind blades. Well, this is the same person who spent tje whole thread trying to deny kishi's own logic in regards to minato/hinata.

Asuma isn't featless.

His Ash jutsu are quite effective although based on his typical style of combat neji beats him.

His first jutsu is Dust cloud which is a high velocity blast of ash that canonically shredded everything in its path

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Asuma also has Searing ash cloud which explodes and covers a huge area in a short amount of time

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I can see Asuma beating Neji and Neji beating Asuma. Depending on circumstances the fight could be easy or very difficult for Asuma.
I imagine he wouldn't fight Neji in CQC and would stick to his ash type katon though

 

[Made in Heaven]

Asuma isn't featless.

His Ash jutsu are quite effective although based on his typical style of combat neji beats him.

His first jutsu is Dust cloud which is a high velocity blast of ash that canonically shredded everything in its path

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Asuma also has Searing ash cloud which explodes and covers a huge area in a short amount of time

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I can see Asuma beating Neji and Neji beating Asuma. Depending on circumstances the fight could be easy or very difficult for Asuma.
I imagine he wouldn't fight Neji in CQC and would stick to his ash type katon though

i know he isnt featless, but his feats are basically meaningless. his fight with hidan gave him nothing substantial for a 1 v 1 since he wasnt fighting alone. as an edo, his attacks are constantly avoided and do nothing.

the chakra build up and the byakugan's ability to foresee those attacks makes them useless, just as neji did so against kidomaru and deidara. not to mention that was easily avoided by ino even WITH her trying to save choji or that kaiten could repel all those.

i want taijutsu feats that kidgamer keeps talking about. yet they dont exist. at least not enough to say he would beat neji.

 

[Rase]

i know he isnt featless, but his feats are basically meaningless. his fight with hidan gave him nothing substantial for a 1 v 1 since he wasnt fighting alone. as an edo, his attacks are constantly avoided and do nothing.

the chakra build up and the byakugan's ability to foresee those attacks makes them useless, just as neji did so against kidomaru and deidara. not to mention that was easily avoided by ino even WITH her trying to save choji or that kaiten could repel all those.

i want taijutsu feats that kidgamer keeps talking about. yet they dont exist. at least not enough to say he would beat neji.

Asuma would lose to Neji because Rotation would block the Cloud with ease.

 

[To Whatever]

Corn. Is this coming from the guy who threatened to put me on ignore (of all things) only to pretend to do so while still reading my posts?



It did nothing to Kisame, thus the only advantage it would give is that it would blow Asuma back, but that blows him out of the range for CQC and doesn't do Neji any good when it comes to close quarters combat itself so you don't have a point. I don't care about the distortion. I don't care about your retorts. Why can't you ever just argue with honesty and accept the facts how they are instead of trying to twist them to your favor?



We've seen the range of Air Palm, and it blew Kisame off his feet so an attack that focused is not possible unless you have some sort of feat. What's even funnier is that the way

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prevents Neji from disarming him from hitting his wrist. So that does nothing even if it were possible, which it is not.

That's body blow, and there's no evidence or feat that lets body blow repel actual attacks. His best feat is blowing a web off of his body. You're gonna have to do better than that. You keep claiming Neji will do this, or Neji will do that yet you seem to be unable to actually show the feat that lets him perform this on the level necessary.



-Nope. Both are in the same tier of speed and skill when it comes to Taijutsu. Asuma fights w/ his Hien, which are blades enhanced w/ Fuuton Chakra and is stated to be top tier in close quarters among the Jonin in the leaf village. Asuma's skill in close quarters overall>Neji's. That's a fact.

-Nope. What is this based on? Oh wait, nothing. :lol There is no fighting style that is the best fighting style. What makes one's fighting style the best is their speed, strength, skill and the jutsu they use. What's even funnier is that you, of course, misquoted that scan to benefit your argument. Lee said the Gentle Fist is the leaf's strongest Taijutsu style. Not strongest fighting style. Asuma uses weapons as his main form of combat.

-Irrelevant because you can't show that this lets Neji overpower and overwhelm Asuma in close quarters, but I expected you Hyuga fans to start throwing this claim around without actual explanation on what it lets Neji achieve.

-Irrelevant because the only attack he has that lets him strike from a distance is weak as hell.


Neji fights with his bare hands. Asuma fights w/ chakra blades. Asuma is stated to be top tier in this form of combat. Neji is not. Neji is not fast enough, skilled enough nor does he have the proper moveset to take on someone of Asuma's skill and speed in a direct CQC fight where he uses his bare hands while Asuma uses Hien. Rotation is his only saving grace, and that is defense. That doesn't help Neji win as he can't rotate forever.

The funniest part about this post is that you have the nerve to say "can't see how Asuma can win" while giving an extremely weak argument that doesn't tell how Neji beats him in CQC. A weak argument that vastly overrates all of Neji's abilities as usual. :lol

I put you on then took you off. Why are you still on about that? You Drake fans are always needing closure.

If it makes you feel better I'll put you on ignore or stop ignoring or w/e. Just chill, my dude. It's getting cringe.

Especially with that nickname. "Corn". Just throw a insult instead of this passive aggressive shit hahaha.

 

[Rase]

This is a drag.

 

[To Whatever]

I got work in the morning so imma let you have it, KidGamer65.

Just learn to let it go, breh.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kisame is much durable than Asuma and he has shown an insane endurance feats, the least thing that striking a vital spot would do is causing pain which can be shrugged off with no diff by someone like him. Asuma is not Kisame. just because Kisame was able to shrug off does not mean that Asuma will. and we have the fact that striking some certain vital spots can be fatal, nothing suggest that Neji struck Kisame on a major spot.

That doesn't mean that failing to damage Kisame means that it does anything noticeable to Asuma. So until you can actually prove that it will there is nothing to argue here no matter how much you want to whine about it. Neji was fighting Kisame with the intent to kill just like the rest of his team. I don't want to read any nonsense excuses about how he purposely chose not to hit a vital just because you people can't cope with what was shown on panel.


And please stop talking about pain that was shrugged off. He felt no Pain. Nothing suggests that he did. No signs whatsoever. The damage he took was zero. Not minimal. Z-E-R-O. Idk why you people can't accept that.

You keep crying about how I'm ignoring what the DB says when it doesn't matter what the DB says. Kishimoto drew how that technique actually works and at Neji's level it hasn't done a damn thing worth mentioning in this fight. So when you can bring those feats that prove that it is then we can talk.

I agree. it would not be enough to disarm him. but an Air Palm focused on the limbs can on the limbs grant an advantage in close combat. in example, a fired Air Palm to legs can make an enemy fall down

True, but if they are clashing in close combat he'll have to separate himself from that clash to use Air Palm, and that distance gives Asuma plenty of time to block or retaliate to any follow up attack from Neji.

well it damaged a Zetsu

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the same Zetsu that tanked a punch from Sakura

No fam. It blew him off. Where is the damage? :lol And no, tanking a punch means you were uninjured. Sakura killed Zetsu in one hit. Lmao. Try again.

you can see here that One Blow Body is just a powerful release of Chakra.

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and the user can decide the amount of Chakra he want to release, Neji just released a small amount of Chakra when he performed One Blow Body, but he can release a large amount of Chakra to make his One Blow Body more powerful

He's had no reason to hold back on his body blow and we've seen how powerful it is in canon, so there's no need to start speculating, trying to make Neji more powerful than he was depicted to be.

actually, every fight in a grappling distance is considered a hand to hand combat, a fight including weapons such as knives and short blades is still considered a hand to hand combat because the fight is still done in a grappling distance. having a weapon doesn't grant a significant advantage because any melee weapon attacks can be countered by hand to hand techniques. Asuma's weapons can be parried by parrying the side arm like this

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or this

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No, it's not. The same technique that goes into wielding blades doesn't translate to the same technique used to fight with hand to hand. Where are you even getting this from? Clearly not any reputable source. Bukijutsu is not Taijutsu. This is not

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You'd have somewhat of a point if he couldn't extend the reach of his blade, but he can so you don't.

I'm just going to ignore everything striked out until you prove that Neji is capable of parrying Asuma's weapons like that.

Asuma's fighting style with the Hien is still considered Taijutsu and his skills on the same tier as Neji. and Neji fighting style > Asuma, and with the Byakugan he can anticipate his movements which would allow him to better react to it and counter it and in worst scenarios he can repel his direct strikes by releasing Chakra from his Tenketsus so he has the advantage.

-No, it's not considered Taijutsu.
-Naturally you've ignored what I said about fighting style. A fighting style being better than another fighting style by default is impossible and makes no sense.
-The rest of this I've already addressed in my last post so I won't do it again. I'll instead tell you to stop fanboying and start reading what's being typed. Again, I predicted all of this behavior yet you still quote me looking for an argument. :lol An argument you can't have because you are too biased towards a drawing. :lol

and LOL @ "Overrating" I just stated the ability of the Air Palm based on the DB and you keep ignoring it and you keep claiming that it's only ability is to push when the DB stated that it does more than that. we have a ****ing Databook for a reason and Kishi is the one who decides the ability of a said Jutsu, not you.

you are the one who is underrating tbh

Was Kisame hurt? No. Nothing more to argue here. Statements alone don't help you and that's the issue with you Neji fanboys. Neji's feats in Pt 2 are lackluster so you try to use statements with no gauging of the actual strength behind said techniques because you know the actual feats disagree. Air Palm's only feat, on Neji's level, is blowing Kisame back a few meters and failing to injure him despite the attack being made to target one's vital points. Kishimoto is the one who drew that, not me. So go cry to him about how he didn't make your favorite character powerful enough. :lol Not me.

I put you on then took you off. Why are you still on about that? You Drake fans are always needing closure.

If it makes you feel better I'll put you on ignore or stop ignoring or w/e. Just chill, my dude. It's getting cringe.

Especially with that nickname. "Corn". Just throw a insult instead of this passive aggressive shit hahaha.

I got work in the morning so imma let you have it, KidGamer65.

Just learn to let it go, breh.

Corn, cringe and edgy.

i know he isnt featless, but his feats are basically meaningless. his fight with hidan gave him nothing substantial for a 1 v 1 since he wasnt fighting alone. as an edo, his attacks are constantly avoided and do nothing.

the chakra build up and the byakugan's ability to foresee those attacks makes them useless, just as neji did so against kidomaru and deidara. not to mention that was easily avoided by ino even WITH her trying to save choji or that kaiten could repel all those.

i want taijutsu feats that kidgamer keeps talking about. yet they dont exist. at least not enough to say he would beat neji.

This is pretty ironic coming from a fanboy supporting Neji, who has nothing but sub par feats once placed against people who aren't the level of PTS Sasuke and Naruto. :lol You talk about reflex feats, Taijutsu feats and all that nonsense yet they don't exist in Part 2.

But what can I expect from someone who's willing to argue that Shino is above Rock Lee in speed, Hiruzen is equal to Tobirama in speed and that PTS Naruto and Sasuke and the rest of them are near Asuma's level just to satisfy whatever disturbing fantasy you have when it comes to the Hyuga.

 

[davidou]

Stop with kidgamer65, he claims his theories are true without proofs, and denies every other hypothesis than his.

 

[KidGamer65]

Stop with kidgamer65, he claims his theories are true without proofs, and denies every other hypothesis than his.

Why is it that you always seem to be crying about KidGamer65 and how he denies everything you make up?

 

[Rase]

Why is it that you always seem to be crying about KidGamer65 and how he denies everything you make up?

Where?

 

[Made in Heaven]

This is pretty ironic coming from a fanboy supporting Neji, who has nothing but sub par feats once placed against people who aren't the level of PTS Sasuke and Naruto. :lol

Still beats no feats. But considering you always deny any feats shown, as uv done this entire thread w/ hinata and constanly saying kishimoto's logic is invalid, not surprising tbh.

like lol what are asuma's feats? you keeping shitting urself at anyone saying Neji beats Asuma based on feats yet you fail miserably at providing feats for Asuma.

 

[davidou]

Why is it that you always seem to be crying about KidGamer65 and how he denies everything you make up?

You see guys, he even admits it, he will deny you if you prove him wrong.

 

[KidGamer65]

Still beats no feats

Asuma and Neji both have feats. They just don't stand out, and Neji's case is even worse because at least Asuma has showings against people like Hidan and Kisame in Parts 1 and 2. Neji has no notable showings in Part 2. All his skirmishes were team efforts. His best feats come from Part 1, against people like PTS Naruto and Kidomaru. I would say you'd have to be delusional to try and use those here, but you are delusional and you will try to use those here.

So no, feats against weak children are not better than no feats.

You see guys, he even admits it, he will deny you if you prove him wrong.

Lmao I can't with this guy.

 

[shelke]

In regards to neji, its actually hilarious how he keeps saying there's no way neji can win yet provides no feats for asuma outside of hype because that is all he has yet actually thinks some one with actual feats would lose. Someone with actual reflex feats, ees thay can foresee attacks, hinder enemy movements in CQC wirh chakra, and avoid point blank attacks. But yeah, the guy with no feats wins because he uses wind blades. Well, this is the same person who spent tje whole thread trying to deny kishi's own logic in regards to minato/hinata.

Asuma had a Kenjutsu battle with 100% Kisame and one-upped that *****. Neji got shitted on by a water-clone that was made out of a 30% Kisame. And water clones only take up about 10% of a user's chakra. Imagine at what power they stood when a 30% Kisame made them. Go figure!

Corn, cringe and edgy.

Possibly, the first time I have seen the use of wit from you. Good results. I chuckled.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Asuma had a Kenjutsu battle with 100% Kisame and one-upped that *****. Neji got shitted on by a water-clone that was made out of a 30% Kisame. And water clones only take up about 10% of a user's chakra. Imagine at what power they stood when a 30% Kisame made them. Go figure!

when?